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Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,


I'm not really a raider myself, in SWTOR or any MMO. I've never really been a big participant in the social and guild-related aspects of MMOs which is part of what makes SWTOR's story focus appealing (even if it's pretty uneven). It's just tough to get motivated for the gear-grinding treadmill unless you happen to have friends to play through it with, and in that case there are other, more fun games to play. I do like the idea of "story-mode" versions of flashpoints and the like that let people play through just to check them out, though.

On the topic of new thread content, I've got something coming up but I'm waiting for PTN to get back in order to make it work a little better, so hopefully some time later this week.

Edit: I will admit that the stronghold system is almost enough to tempt me into doing a bunch of grinding and dungeon-delving, although that's just for the sake of the Let's Play. Kind of hard to justify ginning up fifty million credits for that though.

Dolash fucked around with this message at 00:06 on May 24, 2016

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PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
I am back in town, and should have an update done tomorrow.

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



Dolash posted:

I'm not really a raider myself, in SWTOR or any MMO. I've never really been a big participant in the social and guild-related aspects of MMOs which is part of what makes SWTOR's story focus appealing (even if it's pretty uneven). It's just tough to get motivated for the gear-grinding treadmill unless you happen to have friends to play through it with, and in that case there are other, more fun games to play. I do like the idea of "story-mode" versions of flashpoints and the like that let people play through just to check them out, though.

On the topic of new thread content, I've got something coming up but I'm waiting for PTN to get back in order to make it work a little better, so hopefully some time later this week.

Edit: I will admit that the stronghold system is almost enough to tempt me into doing a bunch of grinding and dungeon-delving, although that's just for the sake of the Let's Play. Kind of hard to justify ginning up fifty million credits for that though.

Don't you have the free mostly unlocked Nar Shadda SH they gave away when the stronghold system came out?

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat


Sith Warrior Shadows of Revan Update 7: Something’s Fishy


What are we doing on Manaan, master?
Getting you a little screen time, since none of the companion characters get any actual dialogue in this expansion.

You’re not supposed to be in the fountains.
I know.
Hate this place already, huh?
Hate is a strong word. ‘Mildly annoyed by’ is more accurate. Manaan is… sterile. You couldn’t even catch a cold here.

That’s a good thing, isn’t it?
I wonder.



Click for Video


Welcome. So good to see you again.
As implied in our last, brief communication, Darth Arkous is at the center of a grand conspiracy.
No poo poo.

Arkous is a fool to think he has the power to fight the Empire. This plot will end badly for him.
I agree, Lord Wrath, but we must remain vigilant all the same.
I’ve followed Arkous to a secure undersea laboratory here on Manaan, where he’s working with a Selkath geneticist on… something. I’ve been trying to learn more.

Stop staring at the fourth wall.
Sorry, I’ve never seen one before meeting you. It’s distracting.

It seems to me that Arkous and Darok are working together.
That’s my feeling as well, but we won’t know for certain unless we get into that laboratory.


I didn’t think I’d be invited, so I made other plans?
I’d intended to confront Darth Arkous myself, but I sense a presence here--a potential ally.

Fourth wall.
drat it!
Put a space quarter in the jar.












This is Lana. Darth Arkous isn’t far--I can sense him. We have to learn what he and the Selkath are doing down there and confront him.
To have your run of the place, you’ll need to shut down the security grid. You have the coordinates now, I’ll stay in touch.
Well, she’s partly right.
Security or no security, we’ve already got the run of the place?

The Selkath are not exactly known for their bravery.

I guess that’s what the military-grade Battle Droids are for?

All Battle Droids are military grade, Jaesa.

The military just buys whatever’s cheapest.


I’ve met our potential ally, who’s already proved quite resourceful. He’s learned of a prisoner in the security hub who’s been scheduled for disposal by experimentation.
Is ‘proved quite resourceful’ a euphemism for ‘you’re not going to like this?’
Yes, but This “Jakarro” sounds like someone you might want to talk with--as soon as you contend with the head of security.

Hey, Jaesa.
Yes, master?
What did the Sith Lord say to the Battle Droid?
I don’t know, master.

Burn.














Click for Video (Recommended for Dr. Venture)






Jakarro! My most sincere apologies for his outburst. Please don’t leave us here to rot; I implore you.
Do not speak for me when I have not spoken, or I will shut you off forever!

He is an annoyance, but he is my droid! Introduce us!
I can understand Shyriiwook.
I am Ceetoo Deefour, former translator to Her Imminence, Queen Lina of Onderon; and this is my current master, the renowned illicit-transport specialist Jakarro.

You’re enjoying this, master.
I’d be enjoying it a bit more if that’d turned out to be Captain Sideburns, but yes. I am.

Jakarro was hired, quite innocuously, by a Selkath geneticist named Gorima. We delivered a large shipment of perfectly legal medical supplies here, to this facility.
Imagine our consternation when Gorima then had us imprisoned and interrogated most harshly by two awful creatures!


Is that significant?
Imps and Pubs in a secret alliance, droid! I have a bad feeling about this. So does this Imp here.
You have come to stop the Pub and the Imp, have you not?
Those who conspire against the Empire conspire against me.
Master, I don’t think you meant that the way it sounded, but--

We shall endeavor to hurry and regroup with you at our earliest opportunity!

Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,


At least no one is surprised to hear Darok and the Darth are in cahoots, a plot twist so obvious and telegraphed even the characters during the raids could barely play along.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
I like the droid bandolier. This is why you let the Wookiee win, one assumes.

Catsworth
Sep 30, 2009

Who doesn't wanna be Johnny Cat?

C2-D4 is great, and one of the best characters of the expansion.

Angry Salami
Jul 27, 2013

Don't trust the skull.
In a nice touch, smuggler characters do actually get to point out they speak Wookiee.

kaosdrachen
Aug 15, 2011
... And given that nowadays you can bring a Companion along on a flashpoint - and that I know for a fact they added dialogue between HK-47 and HK-51 if you bring the latter along to The False Emperor - I now have to wonder what happens if a smuggler brings Bowdaar...

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
My money's on "they forgot Bowdaar exists."

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

PoptartsNinja posted:

My money's on "they forgot Bowdaar exists."

I've done it. Companions do not talk during any of this entire story arc. Except for two companions per class who have one line each on the jungle planet at the end.

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Catsworth posted:

C2-D4 is great, and one of the best characters of the expansion.

I quite like Darok the Republic traitor, if only because at certain points his voice actor slips and turns into Spotswood from Team America.

Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,


SKY COQ posted:

I quite like Darok the Republic traitor, if only because at certain points his voice actor slips and turns into Spotswood from Team America.

...aaaaaaaaaaaah! THAT'S what I recognize him from!

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Wasn't he also the main bad guy in God Hand?

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


That man's voice is a treasure.

Gnome de plume
Sep 5, 2006

Hell.
Fucking.
Yes.
So Manaan wasn't bombed from orbit between KOTOR 1 and now? I am intensely disappointed.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Gnome de plume posted:

So Manaan wasn't bombed from orbit between KOTOR 1 and now? I am intensely disappointed.

It was. There was dialogue and lore articles in vanilla TOR that Manaan had been conquered by the Empire and Ahto City sunk beneath the waves by Imperial bombing - it's why the Republic is now experimenting with bacta as an alternative to kolto. Then when Manaan was brought back it was explained that the planet has been one of the Empire's territorial concessions during their retreat into a defensive perimeter around the Imperial core worlds.

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



Well....uh...kinda?The Sith Empire bombed the gently caress out of Manaan for trying to enforce neutrality like it did back in Kotor. This merchant plaza is their first [and only] above water settlement after that.

Edit: Beaten by Cythereal and his creepy rear end Avatar :argh:

Siegkrow fucked around with this message at 07:31 on May 31, 2016

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat


Sith Warrior Shadows of Revan Update 8: Guilt by Association



Click for Video





So you are not here with my underwriters. No, you are something else entirely. You are trouble.
Care to tell me where your “underwriters” are?
I am unable to comply with your request, as I do not know their present location. However, I do know where they intend to be.
Colonel Darok and Darth Arkous will arrive shortly to claim these prototype Rakata-tech warriors. They are self-repairing, virtually immortal.
“Virtually” is an awfully big flaw. But I guess that’s the trick, isn’t it? When they succeed, it’s your skill. When they fail, it’s just bad luck.
I am most proud of my creations, though it did take many dozens of attempts to make the grafting process non-lethal.
Aaand people wonder why the Empire bombed Manaan.

It was not my decision! Admittedly, I was eager for my first attempt at an implant on a Wookiee….
He mustn’t get the chance to betray us! Shoot him already!

Gorima could still be of use to us. Put your weapon down.
The ugly fish deserves to die!
I’m not going to repeat myself, Jakarro.






Your betrayal of the Empire will be your downfall, Arkous.
Come now, Wrath. We both know the state the Emperor is in. There’s hardly an Empire to betray.
He thinks you’ve gone to the other side, Arkous.
It is somewhat amusing, isn’t it?
Sorry to cut this short, but since we have everything we need…






Well.

poo poo. I really should’ve seen that coming.

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


So... how are you not dead?

Catsworth
Sep 30, 2009

Who doesn't wanna be Johnny Cat?

You'll see next time!

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Hooray I found this thread!

... Who's that boxy bipedal robot following you around?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

SynthOrange posted:

Hooray I found this thread!

... Who's that boxy bipedal robot following you around?

That is Jesus Droid, a god mode NPC provided by the game to ensure that every player regardless of gear and personal skill can do these flashpoints.

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.
All hail the Jesus droid, enabler of the single-player MMORPG.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Silly thing is, players probably don't even need it thanks to the changes to companions. I just keep it around to make fights not take five times as long.

Companion healers are all really good, and in different ways

Jaesa's my favorite because one of her "heals" is actually a proactive shield that absorbs hits like mad, so you pretty much take no damage while it's up. She backs it up with a slow recharging but half-of-Mort's-health-huge heal. She's also melee which means she stays close, which helps.

Vette's my second favorite, but she's basically a smuggler-healer which means she's got a lot of heal-over-time sustain heals and very little in the way of burst healing. She's fine in normal missions but in some flashpoint fights, Vette can get 'left behind' or caught on scenery or blown away by knockback AOEs and suddenly decide that taking slow potshots with her terrible healer damage powers is a better idea than moving close enough to use her healing lasers.

Quinn is largely unchanged, which means he's an OK healer with decent heal-over-time and a good regeneration power, but after the revamp Quinn's damage powers got a major overhaul and I actually like him better as a damage dealer than I ever did as a healer. I played 'pokemon' with my companion characters just to see what they could do and Quinn was consistently the quickest at murdering entire spawns of mobs by himself. Which is saying something when Jaesa and Vette are both really good at murdering things.

Broonmark is mediocre as a healer, and as a tank he was always useless, but he's not too far behind Jaesa and Vette as a damage dealer now. He'd probably be better at murder than both of them if he didn't have less than half the happiness because I never use him.

Lt. Pierce is garbage at everything. I still don't know how they managed that, considering future spoilers, but they did.

I... actually haven't used Treek much since the changes, I've got more happiness with Vette and Jaesa (and Quinn, who has the most somehow) so they're superior to all of my other companions. She's still great, just with more consolidated powers. Healing Space Watermelon Still Best Watermelon.

M_Sinistrari
Sep 5, 2008

Do you like scary movies?



PoptartsNinja posted:



I... actually haven't used Treek much since the changes, I've got more happiness with Vette and Jaesa (and Quinn, who has the most somehow) so they're superior to all of my other companions. She's still great, just with more consolidated powers. Healing Space Watermelon Still Best Watermelon.

From what I've seen Treek's still pretty good with healing, but not as hugely stand out as she used to be.

And since I've been playing a lot of alts lately to finish up my assorted legacy unlocks, the only companions that have seemed pretty crappy for healing is Corso and Skadge, but that could also be because they're the lowest in happiness scores of all my companions, including my ship droids.

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



wait what? how DO you make ship droids happy???

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Siegkrow posted:

wait what? how DO you make ship droids happy???

Lube. Lots of lube.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Siegkrow posted:

wait what? how DO you make ship droids happy???

You can give them gifts, they'll take them and it'll bump up their happiness, but it's not like the sentient robotic slaves have stories or anything.

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



but I've tried gifting them stuff, they don't like any of it.

Xerophyte
Mar 17, 2008

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Siegkrow posted:

but I've tried gifting them stuff, they don't like any of it.

For some reason finding the particular thing each companion likes was made a Fun Minigame:


E: Originally some of the companions -- the ship bots, a non-romanced Ashara -- loved nothing, so they were 50% more expensive to make like you. That was also fun.

Xerophyte fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jun 5, 2016

Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,


The ship-droid butlers feel really tacked on and I have never felt the need to bring them with me, equip them, or think of them beyond when I run past on the ship and they remind me they've done my character's laundry for the hundredth time.

It is a little funny that normally the enslavement of sentient robot intelligences would be treated like a serious issue in most sci-fi settings and in Star Wars it's just a given. AI rebellions are just another source of droid enemies rather than a challenge to people's paradigm and any sign of intelligence in interchangeable labor or combat drones are treated as comic relief and signs of factory defect. A "free the droids" movement would probably get laughed at more than that Senator's daughter's campaign to save animals on Nar Shaddaa.

Dolash fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 5, 2016

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



*insert snide comment about own nerdiness here*
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HK-01
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Droid_Revolution

Angry Salami
Jul 27, 2013

Don't trust the skull.
There's a lore entry somewhere that notes that the Empire's actually better than the Republic about recognizing droids as fully sapient beings - because the Empire doesn't have a problem admitting "Yeah, we got robot slaves. So what? We got regular slaves too!", while the Republic has to convince itself droids are nothing like organic beings to justify treating them as tools...

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007


Oh of course they went up to HK-77 by the republic era. Stupid product upgrades taking forever.

M_Sinistrari
Sep 5, 2008

Do you like scary movies?



Dolash posted:

The ship-droid butlers feel really tacked on and I have never felt the need to bring them with me, equip them, or think of them beyond when I run past on the ship and they remind me they've done my character's laundry for the hundredth time.


The only reason I've been dragging mine around is to knock out the kill count achievements for having them out. And as far as gifts for ship droids goes, thankfully they're included in the fuscia text that pops for if a gift's favorable for a particular companion. So far it looks like techy droid stuff and some navigational maps are hits with them.

Edit: As far as mentions of a Droid uprising in game goes that I can remember, I think there's some background talk on Nar Shadda of droids talking about rising up against the masters and how convenient it can be done as an accident.

M_Sinistrari fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Jun 6, 2016

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

M_Sinistrari posted:

Edit: As far as mentions of a Droid uprising in game goes that I can remember, I think there's some background talk on Nar Shadda of droids talking about rising up against the masters and how convenient it can be done as an accident.

One of the endgame dungeons the LP has skipped, Directive 7, is a droid uprising that you go in and smash.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat


Sith Warrior Shadows of Revan Update 9: Lazy Gimmick Boss

Darok and Arkous ejected all the emergency pods. No going back the way you came.
Good news is I slaved one of the pods. Got it on remote pilot, headed for a docking hatch nearby. You should have the coordinates by now. Get moving!
Thanks--whoever you are.

Ready for the fun, Jaesa?
Always, Master.


Danger: 5 minutes remaining until facility reaches crush depth. Evacuate immediately!
Getting readings from their alpha cyborg. That thing’s serious--and it’s coming right for you! Stay sharp!

Ooh, a fight that isn’t boring? You’re getting me excited.
:ughh:
I’ve taught you too well.
But you’re getting excited for nothing.
Oh. It’s just a big sack of HP to slog through?

Worse.
Oh. Oooh. Gimmick fight. Shoot.
What’s the gimmick?

Danger: 4 minutes remaining until facility reaches crush depth. Evacuate immediately!
Beat on him for five minutes and die--

--Or you can lure him into the fire a couple of times, which destroys his shield and ruins his armor, after which he is--

--much--

--easier--

To ki--oh, it’s over already.



That’s right. I’m also saving your lives. You got a problem with that?
Just get us out of here.
Yeah, that’s what I’m trying to do.
Hurry! I wasn’t built to survive the crushing depths!
Wookiees are not built that way, either!
Did Stackpole write this scene?
Okay, all set. Climb in and enjoy the ride.





Ugh, I forgot how terrible perfectly flat oceans look. The buildings in the background look like they’re hovering.
Who cares how they look? We’re alive!













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I’ve seen worse.
Perhaps I should make proper introductions….
No need to tell me who I’m addressing. I’m Theron Shan--Republic SIS, and your new ally.
If Lana vouches for you, I’ll let that be enough--for now.
Fair enough, Sith.
The way we were fooled by Darth Arkous--the same happened to Theron, except with the colonel.
And between what you found down in that lab, and what Lana and I pieced together, I can tell you they’re both traitors.
No poo poo.



The Order of Revan used to operate in the shadows of Imperial space, but now their ranks include at least one major Republic figure.
It’s almost like they’re some kind of… Star Cabal.
That means I can’t trust my people, and Lana can’t trust hers--present company excluded. And if the Revanites are building an army of cyborgs….







We’ll talk about it. Lana, will you be joining us?
We don’t yet know how deep the Revanites’ influence runs. I must learn what I can from within the Empire.


Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



Wait, are you implying the Revanites are the Star Cabal? because that seems implausible, the Star Cabal wanted to gently caress over all force users everywhere, and hiring force users and serving Revan seems to be....the complete opposite of that.

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Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


I think it's more "they're repeating themselves storytelling wise".

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