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Mistle posted:To the point of cultural appropriation, if you hypothetically went to Peru and lived the existence of a Peruvian shepherd, nobody would accuse you of culturally appropriating Peruvians. No way, you'd still get accused of cultural appropriation in that case or in the case where you were born and raised white in the US and one day earnestly decided to act like and identify as a black American.
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Commie NedFlanders asking people to explain the substantive difference between cultural appropriation and transgenderism that makes one bad and the other good did make some posters throw apoplectic fits. Honestly, that argument is more of an argument against cultural appropriation being bad than against transgenderism being good, in my opinion. We've had long threads arguing about cultural appropriation in this forum and it's kind of a vague and confusing concept full of contradictions.
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Please don't abbreviate Christian or Christmas as Xtian or Xmas as it erases Christ and devalues the religion and holiday. As a Christian, I find these abbreviations to be offensive. Thanks and God Bless.
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Nostalgic Cashew posted:Could someone answer this? I think it would help a lot with my understanding. I get very confused when it's said that gender is an individually asserted part of identity, but other elements of identity do/don't deserve the same consideration by others. The answer is that in the social justice ideology there exists a cosmic scale of oppression of various social groups. Those who are at the top of the cosmic scale of oppression (most oppressed) get their concerns listened to and society is to kowtow to their demands. Those who are at the bottom's demands (least oppressed) are trumped by the those who are higher on the scale. Christians are lower on the cosmic scale of oppression than transexuals, so we that's why we kowtow to the transexuals and not the Christians. The problem is that it's not totally clear how to rank on the cosmic scale of oppression which group is the most oppressed. Not surprisingly, each marginalized group views itself as being the most oppressed and it isn't clear how to resolve conflicts when social justice proponents can't agree on which group's concerns should trump the other. The fact that determining the cosmic scale of oppression isn't straightforward is a major source of headache in the social justice community and this issue is granted the fancy term of 'intersectionality'. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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Nostalgic Cashew posted:This is a super useful post. Thank you. I'll need to read up on intersectionality. This doesn't seem like a more/less oppressed question though, but that there is some threshold at which society should allow preferred nomenclature. This seems like a better framework, but still pretty arbitrary. Why is demi-wolf (or other animal identity) ridiculous? It seems like you might decide is not a sufficiently-oppressed group, but that doesn't make it ridiculous. There's not a hard threshold. All of this stuff is a matter of opinion and not self-consistent. The entire point of social justice ideology is to improve the status of oppressed groups in society by almost any means necessary and not to generate an egalitarian or self-consistent morality. Once you recognize that, things will make more sense. Nostalgic Cashew posted:Why is demi-wolf (or other animal identity) ridiculous? It seems like you might decide is not a sufficiently-oppressed group, but that doesn't make it ridiculous. The reasoning in this case is that demi-wolves are just self-delusional and mentally ill individuals and not a real recognized oppressed group like transpeople. Maybe if enough demi-wolves come out and strongly assert their identity, social justice ideology will change its stance on this group.
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