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GBS poster starts a topic and mixes two controversial opinions together? Checks out.Sulphuric rear end in a top hat posted:Are nonbinary people entitled the platitude of correct gender pronouns or bathroom privileges based on their personal identity, any more or less than extremely religious people might feel entitled to their sensibilities not being offended, based on their personal religious identity? You're comparing apples and oranges here. In one case you're offending a person, in the other you're offending a religion and its branding. Thing is we, as a society, agree that we're okay with the latter so long as you don't use it to start fights. "Personal religious identity" is actually not a thing. You can't identify as a religion in the same way you identify as a certain gender. You are a member of Club Christianity, you are not Christianity itself. Just because religious fundamentalists don't like where society is going, doesn't mean that they can stop it due to cries of antireligion. They are not "entitled to their sensibilities" and the only time this comparison would make sense is if a person was using their gender to explicitly insult a religion. Sulphuric rear end in a top hat posted:(For example, that Amish community that wanted the police to not get involved on an Amish to Amish hate crime, or radical Muslims/Catholics that want Sharia/Papal law to trump Federal law.) Any crime is required by law to be investigated by the police. The Amish' beliefs have no place here. I would say the same thing about Catholic firebombers and the Islamic attackers in Cologne. They committed a crime, their religion is irrelevant. As for the latter, too bad but separation of church and state is a thing that exists.
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loving lol at complaints about pronouns in English, of all languages.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:for many people, gender is a fundamental defining feature of their identity, isn't it condescending to tell other people what should or should not matter to them? You realize you're skewering your own argument right? Commie NedFlanders posted:how can an intellectually honest liberal walk around dictating to people what is good or bad to believe in, in the name of inclusion? Encouraging politeness and empathy is more or less a cornerstone of liberalism. Inlusion implies empathy. You're thinking how you feel, not how the other person feels. Commie NedFlanders posted:I used to think those stupid right-wing articles about liberalism running rampant and universities becoming places where debate is not allowed was just good ol reactionary hysteria, but it seems that liberals today really do want to create a Dictatorship of the Culturally Excluded and they are going full Stalin, trying to police what people value and think and argue that certain issues are not even acceptable to be questioned or debated  You realize students protest speakers' ideals right? It's just when the speakers hear this, they peace out cause they're punk-rear end bitches and can't take the heat when their ideas are challenged.
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Commie NedFlanders posted:I agree, someone's internal self identification shouldn't matter at all. What matters is your external features which affect other people. Why? You need to answer this because this is the crux of the issue.
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