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The Third Man and Sunset Boulevard are what sprang to mind for me because I've actually seen those, but yeah, Maltese Falcon is an obvious one. (Which managed to not even cross my mind.) I think I remember seeing the tech behind the face capture (or something very similar to it) on display at the GDC way back in 2008, and it seemed pretty impressive at the time. I've never played LA Noire myself, but so far the facial animation seems... not as good as I'd expected.
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I checked out some of those L.A. Noire bloopers on youtube and that stuff is cool as hell.
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Mar 29, 2016 12:59
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Oh man, this game. I sunk absolute hours into it (more than 70, I believe) and just dug everything about it- the cases, the setting*, the cars, and even Cole Phelps himself. When you flub up a lot, he of course seems like a completely unhinged psychopath, but if you get the right responses to things, he is as Bobbin describes: something of a broken rear end in a top hat with a stick up his rear end, but a believable one you might meet, if not necessarily like. But of course, where's the fun in being correct?  *even if I learned later that some of it was a little off, even right from the bat: the jazz that plays during the beginning is of a style that wasn't even created until the 50s... and neither, as I recall, were tail-lights on automobiles.
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Mar 29, 2016 13:17
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I'll be honest, what came to mind was Who Framed Roger Rabbit, because I am a manchild who knows jack poo poo about noir.
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Mar 29, 2016 14:42
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Mr Tastee posted:I'll be honest, what came to mind was Who Framed Roger Rabbit, because I am a manchild who knows jack poo poo about noir. I kind of hope that shows up at some point, honestly.
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Mar 29, 2016 14:49
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Samovar posted:Ah, Columbo. Falk's second best role, I would say. Okay, I'll bite. What's his best one? Is it the narrator from The Princess Bride?
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Mar 29, 2016 15:00
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RickVoid posted:I kind of hope that shows up at some point, honestly. And Bladerunner, as well.
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Mar 29, 2016 15:06
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Okay, I'll bite. What's his best one? Is it the narrator from The Princess Bride? Could be referencing Murder by Death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN9SJmS6kv8 I kind of wish I had the chance to cover this one, but it's after the cutoff date and it's not really noir.
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Mar 29, 2016 15:18
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I kind of wish I had the chance to cover this one, but it's after the cutoff date and it's not really noir. So Clue's straight out then?
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Mar 29, 2016 15:30
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YESSS.... I'm so happy you're doing this game, Bobbin. edit: I was kinda bummed that nickmeister's LP of it died but honestly I think your style suits the game better. I liked his videos but he kinda treats every game like Hitman
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Mar 29, 2016 15:43
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Aw yes, LA Noire. Love this game and its aesthetic, though the execution is somewhat flawed. As someone who likes Noir, but has no real experience on it, I'm gonna enjoy the film stuff at the end of the episodes.
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Mar 29, 2016 15:52
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Okay, I'll bite. What's his best one? Is it the narrator from The Princess Bride? Not the narrator! The Grandfather! (but yes, effectively the narrator)
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Mar 29, 2016 16:15
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I kind of wish I had the chance to cover this one, but it's after the cutoff date and it's not really noir. I'm bummed about this, too, it's a wonderful parody of the genre. I may be biased because I ended up playing the part of Sam  .
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Mar 29, 2016 16:20
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Oh and, one last thing- MCRD is a generic installation name, it could mean the boot camps in either Parris Island or San Diego, depending on which side of the country you enlist in.
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After I had played through LA Noire, I feel like it was a really good try at a game. Didn't help that Team Bondi was one of the most horrible companies to their devs and there's a reason LA Noire is the only game they put out. I was also really unsatisfied by the ending. Super cool concept though and I still had a hell of a lot of fun with it both in terms of gameplay and setting.
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Oh hey. I was just thinking about replaying this at some point. I have a lot of thoughts about how the game mishandles its noir trappings, but I suppose these will have to wait until the LP is finished, due to spoilers.Bobbin Threadbare posted:
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Mr Tastee posted:I'll be honest, what came to mind was Who Framed Roger Rabbit, because I am a manchild who knows jack poo poo about noir. And not at all like the movie that came after.
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Xander77 posted:Wait, does that mean you won't cover L.A Confidential? That's kind of insane, because that's... let's be charitable an call it "the game's most direct influence". I may be acting coy about the full list, but I doubt I'll shock anyone when I say L.A. Confidential has a prominent spot on it. The cutoff date I'm referring to is only one of the four criteria I'm using to select films; the other three are "noir," "Los Angeles crime/law enforcement," and "set in LA during the noir period." On top of being such an inspiration that L.A. Noire ripped off the name, Confidential also fits the other three requirements, so there you go. Incidentally, be prepared for a lot of films that aren't noir but which do say a lot about Post-War America. Bobbin Threadbare fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Mar 29, 2016 |
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i like the concept for this lp
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I also want to say that I enjoy Cole Phelps as a character. He's portrayed as a hardass, not in the mood to take anyone's poo poo, doesn't joke around much, very serious, and doesn't let things go. These are perfect qualities you want in a cop, but the game does not go out of its way to say that Cole is a good person because of these qualities. He's a very good cop... and really nothing else. I can't think of one character on the force that Cole befriends, not even his partners. He clashes too much with them because he is too much of a cop. I can only assume for the most part that he's like that off the clock, too, seeing as how outside one time by a person Cole doesn't even like, he's never invited out for drinks and they outright say later that there's detectives that go bowling once a week and Phelps had no idea. Hell, the closest thing he gets to a friend is ultra late in the game, and even then, I wouldn't call them a friend.
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Mar 29, 2016 23:18
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We also don't see Cole really do anything off duty. Assuming the cop leaving the house in the intro is Cole (It's his character model) we know that he's married, but we don't necessarily know if the marriage is happy or if he has children, to my recollection.
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RickVoid posted:We also don't see Cole really do anything off duty. Assuming the cop leaving the house in the intro is Cole (It's his character model) we know that he's married, but we don't necessarily know if the marriage is happy or if he has children, to my recollection. That is indeed Cole and his wife (she shows up for all of one cutscene later), and I remember them saying he has two girls as well. It seems happy enough but... well... we'll see about that later. I have words about it.
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Bobbin, a game I've been interested in, AND noir? Count me in. Can't wait to see what stuff is in the corner. Corto Maltese is just about a certainty, but anything beyond that I'm not familiar enough to be sure. Going to speculate on Drive, as a neo-noir film, maybe The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, Stray Dog, which apparently features a rookie cop as well, M includes the other side of the law... Personally, I've enjoyed the Stockholm Noir trilogy by Jens Lapidus (well, the first two books, Livet deluxe/Life Deluxe is still on my backlog), which has also been adapted into a film trilogy, as well as the Guards storyline in Discworld (someone mentioned Discworld Noir earlier, which was a pretty good LP too), but the corner is films-only, right?
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kalonZombie posted:That is indeed Cole and his wife (she shows up for all of one cutscene later), and I remember them saying he has two girls as well. It seems happy enough but... well... we'll see about that later. I have words about it. If I'm remembering correctly there's also one case that starts while Cole is doing something non job related and a few story cutscenes that take place while he's off duty, but there's nothing that explicitly deals with his home life or than the intro which shows him living the American Dream.
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I could be completely misremembering because it's been a long time since I played the game, but I think one of the partners makes an offhand comment about how Cole's wife must get tired of his crap.
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RickVoid posted:We also don't see Cole really do anything off duty. Assuming the cop leaving the house in the intro is Cole (It's his character model) we know that he's married, but we don't necessarily know if the marriage is happy or if he has children, to my recollection. That was one of my bigger problems with the game during my first playthrough. We're given zero charicterization about what Cole is like outside his job, and then all of a sudden he's cheating on his wife for some reason? And it's this big, important thing that's completely screwing his career over? Where the hell did that come from?
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Wanamingo posted:That was one of my bigger problems with the game during my first playthrough. We're given zero charicterization about what Cole is like outside his job, and then all of a sudden he's cheating on his wife for some reason? And it's this big, important thing that's completely screwing his career over? Where the hell did that come from? The main issue is that for 2/3 of the game there's really no story other than Cole doing his job, and we really don't learn a whole lot about him other than his various theories and beliefs, and what he did during the war. Then all of a sudden the devs realized this is a Noir story so they need to ruin him somehow so they shoehorn that in while trying to tie all the other story threads together. Once you'd finished the game and go back and play again you start to see a lot of hints and tie ins all over the place but they don't really work to help foreshadow anything considering a new player would have any idea what relevance they had until the end of the game when it's being spelled out for them. Adultry was, in fact, illegal back in the 1940s (and people were still being charged with it well into the 80's in some places) but considering nearly every other person to know in the game is as crooked as a dog's leg I think it was meant to be one of the great injustices Cole had to face as others conspired to bring him down.
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What are you going to do about the copious amounts of nudity in the game? To the game's credit, it's always shocking yet never titillating, but it's also kind of exploitative.
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Jay Rust posted:What are you going to do about the copious amounts of nudity in the game? To the game's credit, it's always shocking yet never titillating, but it's also kind of exploitative. Put up a warning. Like you say, it's forensic nudity rather than anything remotely pornographic, so I figure a five-second warning card at the start of the video should cover my rear end quite nicely.
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One of the important things about Cole is that he's a noir hero, and as such isn't designed to be likable or charismatic or even admirable. Noir heroes aren't there to be a stand-in for the viewer (player), they're simply there to be the one guy stubborn enough to stand up to the evil, cynical world they live in. This generally makes them fish out of water even among their closest associates, and at times they even alienate the audience. They're not nice people because they can't be, and you're not really supposed to like them.
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kalonZombie posted:Hell, the closest thing he gets to a friend is ultra late in the game, and even then, I wouldn't call them a friend. I dunno, he and Bekowsky get along as well as people seem to get along in the various Detective desks. I never thought of his loner tendencies as indicative of the genre but then I'm not as well versed in Noir as in others and even then it's more modern Noir. Max Payne sure doesn't have problems making friends, he just has problems keeping them alive
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Molly Millions posted:One of the important things about Cole is that he's a noir hero, and as such isn't designed to be likable or charismatic or even admirable. Noir heroes aren't there to be a stand-in for the viewer (player), they're simply there to be the one guy stubborn enough to stand up to the evil, cynical world they live in. This generally makes them fish out of water even among their closest associates, and at times they even alienate the audience. They're not nice people because they can't be, and you're not really supposed to like them. Once you remove all the mystique and shadows, though, they're just sorta weird chainsmoking losers. Case in point, Phillip Marlow in The Long Goodbye. 
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Huh. Not particularly interested in the game itself, but I do like the notion of the informative aspect on the noir genre. It is making me want to go re-read The Continental Op and Blood Harvest. There's a post to be made out there comparing the differences between Chandler and Hammett but I don't have it in me to write it out.
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Wanamingo posted:Once you remove all the mystique and shadows, though, they're just sorta weird chainsmoking losers. Case in point, Phillip Marlow in The Long Goodbye. That's a pretty solid Spike Spiegel cosplay there. Speaking of Cowboy Bebop, that's got a lot of noir elements to it as well.
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Wanamingo posted:Once you remove all the mystique and shadows, though, they're just sorta weird chainsmoking losers. Case in point, Phillip Marlow in The Long Goodbye. Don't forget that they're also commonly drunks. Pretty sure Marlow kept a bottle under the seat of his car ( when he was fortunate enough to have one ) and drank it straight while driving, and asking questions of the neighbors, and chatting up the femme fatales... Seriously, I loved reading Chandler.
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psivamp posted:Don't forget that they're also commonly drunks. Pretty sure Marlow kept a bottle under the seat of his car ( when he was fortunate enough to have one ) and drank it straight while driving, and asking questions of the neighbors, and chatting up the femme fatales... It pops up in his stuff as both a back-stiffiner and a way to keep awake oddly enough. It's part of the reason the Thin Man is always guzzling martinis. That and they're all barely functioning alcoholics of course. The Radio Detective Hour podcast has a collection of stuff that deals with the classic radio serials, ranging from well-worn stuff like Sam Spade and Philip Marlow to more off the wall stuff like The Fat Man to Jeff Regan (played by Jack Webb of Dragnet fame. He had a few pulp detective/noir style shows, ranging from a guy that just does odd jobs on the docks to one where he's a jazz player in a speakeasy). Good stuff.
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Serperoth posted:That's a pretty solid Spike Spiegel cosplay there. Cowboy Bebop has some great Noir episodes, Ganymede Elegy and Black Dog Serenade, but they focus on Jet rather than Spike. Though I'm pretty sure Bobbin's used ELM in his Corners before, so I wouldn't be surprised if either of them show up.
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In stark contrast to the last game the DLC missions in this are Really Good, with the final DLC case being the best one in the entire game, imo.
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Aw, no mention of pulling a Colombo - "Oh, I almost forgot, just one little thing as I'm leaving?" It's basically part of folklore among crime show audience - hell, my grandmother used to say it. Anyhow, I'm very excited to see this LP'd; I always liked the idea but was repulsed by the stupid Rockstar security and apparently lackluster gameplay. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Mar 31, 2016 |
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If I remember right, in the bank robbery mission we saw you can take your gun and walk off the scene.
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