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paragon1 posted:I never found the girl in Benson's place. quote:Does anyone else feel like they intended to have one last newspaper cutscene where Fontaine gets killed? Keep in mind that Fontaine does appear outside those cutscenes, and that there is still one case to go.
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Another thing: What kind of powers do a DA's investigator have compared to a police detective? Kelso shows up at Benson's apartment, threatens him with his gun and barges into the apartment without a search warrant or any kind of probable cause. Benson could probably legally call the police on him, and the circumstances around Kelso's discovery in the bedroom would probably make his testimony inadmissible in court. Plus, Benson is rich and has powerful connections that probably let him get away with having underage prostitutes over.
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Kopijeger posted:Another thing: What kind of powers do a DA's investigator have compared to a police detective? Kelso shows up at Benson's apartment, threatens him with his gun and barges into the apartment without a search warrant or any kind of probable cause. Benson could probably legally call the police on him, and the circumstances around Kelso's discovery in the bedroom would probably make his testimony inadmissible in court. Plus, Benson is rich and has powerful connections that probably let him get away with having underage prostitutes over. I believe DA investigators (at least in this case) have the right to get a warrant from a judge and carry a gun, and they might have a probable cause clause, but they can't arrest people. But why are you wondering about warrants and probable cause when all the other missions made a point of ignoring that little detail and getting away with it?
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Sep 13, 2016 20:35
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It's because noir detectives do what it takes to get the truth, then piece the whole conspiracy together in front of the villain. Jail? No way, not for the kingpin. He gets a bullet. Also I'm really proud of you guys for respecting the pervert's privacy.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:But why are you wondering about warrants and probable cause when all the other missions made a point of ignoring that little detail and getting away with it? Because Kelso is not a police detective and therefore is not in a position to bully his way around the same way Phelps and partners do.
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Kopijeger posted:Because Kelso is not a police detective and therefore is not in a position to bully his way around the same way Phelps and partners do. But he has a gun and generally the people he's pushing around don't. Or at least don't have one on them when he comes knocking
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Sep 13, 2016 21:24
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Everything I know about DA Investigators comes from "Law and Order: Trial By Jury." RIP Jerry Orbach 
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Thank god Kelso has a photographic memory and can instantly memorize long, complicated numbers and can recall them on the spot when necessary. Gotta say this is probably the only game I know that intersperses tedious bureaucratic work with action packed shooting segments. Glad he also keeps up the time tested tradition of ordering people to drop their guns and surrender as he pumping them full of lead. Who Framed Roger Rabbit was very likely my first noir film (like it probably was for a lot of others) but I loved it as a kid even if I was too young to really understand the bigger picture when I first watched it. The only scene I really remember freaking me out was right at the end with the steamroller... Happy to see this movie finally made an appearance, it brought back a lot of memories. A shame about Bob Hoskins though. Psychotic Weasel fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Sep 14, 2016 01:00
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At least in modern California, DA's investigators are as powerful as cops when it comes to arresting people, so long as the crime is a "public offense committed or which there is probable cause to believe has been committed within the political subdivision that employs the peace officer or in which the peace officer serves".
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The shoe dip didn't scare me as much as enrage and disgust me when I was little. The steamroller just confused me because I didn't understand what it meant. I actually remember that I didn't pay a lot of attention to the film after the shoe because I felt it was so unfair that I was distracted from the plot.
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I have a friend who loves Who Framed Roger Rabbit but cannot stand the shoe scene, like it offends him on a personal level.
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Well Bobbin, it seems you need to revise your opinion of the most disturbing onscreen death  Also, rewatching the video, it really is ridiculous just how much better the chemistry between Kelso and Elsa is. Why wasn't Kelso's actor chosen for Cole's role?
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CommissarMega posted:Well Bobbin, it seems you need to revise your opinion of the most disturbing onscreen death Because they thought that people would rather play as an rear end in a top hat who doesn't realize he's an rear end in a top hat instead of an rear end in a top hat who revels in the fact that he's an rear end in a top hat. They thought wrong.
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Holy poo poo, Cole is an early version of the guy from Watch_Dogs.
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ApeHawk posted:Because they thought that people would rather play as an rear end in a top hat who doesn't realize he's an rear end in a top hat instead of an rear end in a top hat who revels in the fact that he's an rear end in a top hat. Well, also because Kelso wouldn't really fit in with their dramatic reenactments of classic noir in all the earlier desks. LA Noire isn't really its own noir story until Kelso becomes the player character.
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One of the fun things to look up on the internet is the various think pieces on how Who Framed Roger Rabbit is inspired/derived from Chinatown and its sequels (made or unmade). Additionally, I'd like to nominate "Brick" as a neo-noir movie worth watching, even if it didn't get more than a mention earlier in the series.
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Vadoc posted:Holy poo poo, Cole is an early version of the guy from Watch_Dogs. gently caress, that means that Kelso is the Jordi of the game, except that we actually get to play him for a bit in this one.
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Vadoc posted:Holy poo poo, Cole is an early version of the guy from Watch_Dogs. Nah, because Cole actually cares about people, particularly those who haven't done anything wrong. Aiden is just a pure psychopath through and through.
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Oh man I was really young when I first saw Roger Rabbit. For whatever reason, both the Shoe death scene and Judge Doom being flattened really stood out in my memories of the film before I watched it again a couple years back. Never did have nightmares about it somehow, though. Now I'm more impressed at how the legalwork for this entire movie must've been carried out to feature all the cameos it had. kalonZombie posted:Nah, because Cole actually cares about people, particularly those who haven't done anything wrong. Aiden is just a pure psychopath through and through. The thing about Cole is that he seems pretty deliberately characterized as kind of a douche, and gets punished for that during the story. Cole's also smart enough to hide being a douche. With Aiden, he just sort of ended up being that way and is consistently too numb to reality to do anything with other normal people ever. I think it's also effective since early/midgame Cole does seem pretty upstanding given what little we know about him, but by the end it seems pretty clear that he's kind of a pushy control freak. Just in time for the player to change to Kelso, too.
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Bluhman posted:The thing about Cole is that he seems pretty deliberately characterized as kind of a douche, and gets punished for that during the story. At the same time the devs made him express opinions on social issues that seem ridiculously progressive for the era and that someone with his background would probably be unlikely to have. This was obviously done in order to make him seem more sympathetic to a 21st century audience, but it does make his character seem to contradict himself. Playing as Roy Earle or a character like him could have been interesting if he was written well. A self-serving scumbag who is out to enrich himself but does some good by taking down people worse than himself as a protagonist opens up some interesting story possibilites. Kopijeger fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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I like Cole as a protagonist because he isn't a standard noir hero. In most stories he'd be an antagonist- the over ambitious bootlick who'll do anything to further his career. His war hero background is a sham, he cheats on his wife without much guilt and he turns a blind eye to the corruption in the department. Hell, you spend the entire second act framing innocent men, and if it hadn't been for the Dahlia killer getting cocky they would have all gone to the gas chamber. And yet it's clear that, despite everything, Cole probably is a good person who's trying to make amends. That's why I hated it when, at the climax of the story, Cole gets ditched and we play as Kelso, a much more generically heroic character.
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Cole has moments where you feel he's only in it for the glory but by and large he seems driven by a motivation to do what's right and is increasingly hamstrung by the corruption surrounding him. Like, when he says to Biggs "I'm going to blow this case wide open and rub the department's face in it", you could argue it's because he wants glory again but you could also argue it's born out of anger at what the LAPD did to him to cover up their own corruption (not that he's aware that's what happened necessarily, but given that they ripped him out of an interrogation right as he was getting to the bottom of the morphine thing he probably suspects something odd). Even Kelso, who rightfully bitched Cole out for bringing him into the police station for questioning when he's not actually a suspect, still thinks Cole is a good cop ultimately. Even in Homicide after Phelps makes all those arrests on people who ultimately didn't do it, he still obsesses over it because something just doesn't add up. He's made mistakes before, people died as a result, he can't afford to just let something slide, in his mind, if it means sending the wrong person to the gas chamber. It's kinda why the affair subplot falls so flat, because it doesn't really jibe with the rest of his character, unless you take it as a sign of self-sabotage. Cole doesn't think he's a hero, so he does something decidedly unheroic. Or it's just bad writing Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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It seems like a lot of the problems with this game can be blamed on rushed development. but to be honest, the entire arc of the Homicide Desk was kind of dumb, and I wish Cole and Rusty had been dealing with literally any other kind of homicide case than "psycho serial killer straight out of an episode of Criminal Minds". The ideas they were trying to get across probably could have been communicated without having to frame like, six loving people. also Earle stabbing Cole in the back could've been developed a bit better. and the game's overarching plot heavily hinges on the player reading the newspapers, but it doesn't seem like you absolutely have to read them, so people that accidentally skip them miss out on important exposition.
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Spatula City posted:It seems like a lot of the problems with this game can be blamed on rushed development. "Rushed" isn't the right word to use for a project that took eight years to publish.
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Angry_Ed posted:It's kinda why the affair subplot falls so flat, because it doesn't really jibe with the rest of his character, unless you take it as a sign of self-sabotage. Cole doesn't think he's a hero, so he does something decidedly unheroic. Or it's just bad writing Bad writing. We saw Cole's wife briefly in the opening credits but it's not like anyone remembered her since his family wasn't even mentioned for most of the game. I think the only scenes between Cole and Elsa before the reveal was Earle's introduction, and a brief shot of him at the club. So even when you find out he's been sleeping with Elsa, it's entirely possible that you've forgotten that he's even married. And then they have zero chemistry anyway.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:"Rushed" isn't the right word to use for a project that took eight years to publish. From what I remember from articles released about L.A. Noire's development the development suffered from pervasive management issues pretty much all of the way through.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:"Rushed" isn't the right word to use for a project that took eight years to publish. oh dear. That's...wow. From everything I've heard, AAA game development sounds like a nightmare, and I can't imagine why anyone would really want to be involved in it at a high level. I mean, being a programmer or something wouldn't be that bad, but the managers and writers must have miserable jobs.
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Spatula City posted:oh dear. That's...wow. Evidently you've never heard of the EA Widows... http://ea-spouse.livejournal.com/274.html Granted, that's from a 10 years ago now, and I have no idea what it's like to work for EA today.
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nuvan posted:Evidently you've never heard of the EA Widows... From people I've spoken to it's not much better, except that EA has a stronger non-disclosure policy now. I'm not an industry insider though, so who knows.
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Cole has a lot of similarities to Edmund Exley, but that'll probably be covered in the final video.
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Gargamel Gibson posted:Cole has a lot of similarities to Edmund Exley, but that'll probably be covered in the final video.
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Spatula City posted:oh dear. That's...wow. Normally it's not that bad. From what people have said, LA Noire suffered from inconsistent ideas and an especially domineering lead producer who couldn't make up his mind. It was "rushed" in the sense that Rockstar finally had it up to here with Team Bondi's poo poo and stepped in to force the project to a finish so it could at least get out the door.
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Xander77 posted:The book version far more than the film version. Oh definitely. Especially the dubious "war hero" reputation.
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Would you say the next lp will revolutionise the genre? Fun LP. Excellent movie to end on.
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Hah. The bit with the flamethrower is exactly the advice I'd give anyone trying to play along. What, if anything, would you call the fatal flaw with the game's narrative? double nine posted:Would you say the next lp will revolutionise the genre?
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For the last time, notes: - Once again, the peculiar timeline. Kelso having his arm injury and the same jacket as before implies that it takes place the next day after the confrontation with Monroe. The newspaper gives the date as the 29th of September. The visits to the exterminators are stated to take place at 2:37, 2:44 and 2:53 PM respectively. Then it skips back to the previous day, where the newspaper is dated to the 30th and Biggs mentions that Monroe almost bled to death, so this must be after the shootout at the mansion. Also, Kelso reaches the bunkhouse at 7:00 PM - what took him so long? - To summarise the timeline: the first newspaper found (in the first tutorial case) was dated to 23rd of December 1946, and the final one to 30th of September 1947. The playable plot took place over two months out of a nine month period, the other seven being skipped over between Traffic and Homicide. - The game wiki claims that the "Chichester Chapel" is based on the First Congregational Church, which is not Episcopalian. - The funeral scene: Cole's daughters are finally shown on screen. They look like the girls from "The Golden Butterfly" retextured with darker clothing. Also, they retextured Kelso, Biggs and Earle with darker suits, but didn't do anything with the other partners and Carruthers. Also, you'd expect other family to sit near the widow, but presumably they couldn't be bothered with making additional characters. - When Phelps encountered Sheldon earlier, he for some reason didn't begrudge him being shot in the back. - About the movie review: it was mentioned that Stensland hadn't earned a pension, which is actually an important plot point. He killed Meeks over the heroin they had stashed under the house, grabbed the suitcase and left the corpse behind because he needed the money.
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Looking forward to HR and all the hilarious ways you can kill/knock out people.Kopijeger posted:- When Phelps encountered Sheldon earlier, he for some reason didn't begrudge him being shot in the back. Knowing Cole he probably thinks he deserved it. Putting the people out of their pain might have been the right thing to do but he also torched a hospital and did a whole bunch of other poo poo.
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Kopijeger posted:- The game wiki claims that the "Chichester Chapel" is based on the First Congregational Church, which is not Episcopalian. I think I Googled the name to get the denomination I mentioned. Not sure how I got there now. quote:- When Phelps encountered Sheldon earlier, he for some reason didn't begrudge him being shot in the back. He knows he deserved it, I think. quote:- About the movie review: it was mentioned that Stensland hadn't earned a pension, which is actually an important plot point. He killed Meeks over the heroin they had stashed under the house, grabbed the suitcase and left the corpse behind because he needed the money. Ed Exley assumed Stensland had a pension when he was going over his plan with the police officials, and none of them bothered to correct him. Bud White mentioning that he didn't actually have one is one of several things I skipped over in my summary. Xander77 posted:What, if anything, would you call the fatal flaw with the game's narrative? Inexperience, if that qualifies as a thing. The creative leads didn't know how to make use of the long-form stories-with-a-story format, and you can see them experimenting in real time as you move from one desk to the next.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Ed Exley assumed Stensland had a pension when he was going over his plan with the police officials, and none of them bothered to correct him. Bud White mentioning that he didn't actually have one is one of several things I skipped over in my summary.
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