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Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins
I doubt I would've noticed.

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Hrist
Feb 21, 2011


Lipstick Apathy
When I was growing up our English teacher exclusively made us read books with racist slurs in them. Even the time we got to read a short story, it had a line about calling a bush an outdated slur just for the sake of being racist.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Hrist posted:

When I was growing up our English teacher exclusively made us read books with racist slurs in them. Even the time we got to read a short story, it had a line about calling a bush an outdated slur just for the sake of being racist.

Problematic, imo.

a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

Millions of Crows posted:

Untill the 60s it was fashionable to be racist, the further back you go, the more blatant prejudice was accepted. Catholics and protestants hated each other, Irish, Italians and polish weren't considered white, so if a book from 100 years ago is racist, that's normal, and no one gives a poo poo.
Historical context stupid.

just think, whatever is considered normal now will probably be racist in 50 years. better to not read at all just to be safe

FedEx Mercury
Jan 7, 2004

Me bad posting? That's unpossible!
Lipstick Apathy

Applewhite posted:

Problematic, imo.

What specifically is the problem?

Dr. Dogballs Jr.
Jun 9, 2014

the angriest sex machine
in 50 years itll be "ugh trigger warning heterosexual vanilla romance in this 5 second blog vid"

Iron Prince
Aug 28, 2005
Buglord

Shaquin posted:

The book you just finsihed was papist. Now what?

this is my fuckin nightmare right here

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)

Nice Sweet Meat posted:

Should I just mark it as "Read" in goodreads and give it a 3?

Then read some books by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Haruki Murakami and the one book by Chinua Achebe that everyone reads in their first year of college to not be racist. Rate them all 5. Use them to try to strike up a conversation with a friend of a friend who studied at Vassar, and impress her with how non-racist and worldly you are.

Let me know if you are the first person in the world to actually get anywhere with this.

Zorodius
Feb 11, 2007

EA GAMES' MASTERPIECE 'MADDEN 2018 G.O.A.T. EDITION' IS A GLORIOUS TRIUMPH OF ART AND TECHNOLOGY. IT BRINGS GAMEDAY RIGHT TO THE PLAYER AND WHOEVER SAYS OTHERWISE CAN, YOU GUESSED IT...
SUCK THE SHIT STRAIGHT OUT OF MY OWN ASSHOLE.

BUY IT.
never judge a book by its cover.

*cover shows a barbarian gutting a lizardman sorcerer with one hand while carrying off a Nubian princess rear end-to-camera with the other*

its literature

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Zorodius posted:

never judge a book by its cover.

*cover shows a barbarian gutting a lizardman sorcerer with one hand while carrying off a Nubian princess rear end-to-camera with the other*

its literature

Can I read that when you're done with it?

Shaquin
May 12, 2007
im reading Bellefleur by Joyce Carol Oates no racism so far.

AugmentedVision
Feb 17, 2011

by exmarx
recommendit to my black friend

Shaquin
May 12, 2007
her description of this high breasted red haired blue blood strong woman is getting my blood a hootin and hollerin somethin potent

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost
*Sees a Black Man about to pick up an peruse a copy of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer*

"Oh, no, you don't want to read that book, sir. Here, you'll like this much better."

*Hands him a copy of the Collected Poems of Maya Angelou*

MiracleWhale
Jun 30, 2015


Applewhite posted:

This but unironically and also not the typeface.
When pressed, I will give up the genre.

i cannot understand why other people want me to describe the entire plot of the book and do a dramatic reading of the key passages before they will read it. i wanted you to experience the sublime journey contained within this tome for yourself, god drat it!

of course when i say "other people", we both know what kind of people i mean

Nut to Butt
Apr 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
now i search out the author's opinions on thje "swarthy problem"

ClamdestineBoyster
Aug 15, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
You are now a racist sorry op.

FedEx Mercury
Jan 7, 2004

Me bad posting? That's unpossible!
Lipstick Apathy

Zorodius posted:

never judge a book by its cover.

*cover shows a barbarian gutting a lizardman sorcerer with one hand while carrying off a Nubian princess rear end-to-camera with the other*

its literature

Typically the quality of a book is inversely related to how badass the cover painting is.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

ClamdestineBoyster posted:

You are now a racist sorry op.

If anyone's looking for me I'll be in D&D.

MiracleWhale
Jun 30, 2015


Applewhite posted:

If anyone's looking for me I'll be in D&D.

i hear in the next edition they're going to rename dwarves "little people"

MiracleWhale
Jun 30, 2015


terrorists win

Crewmine
Apr 26, 2012

glowing-fish posted:

Then read some books by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Haruki Murakami and the one book by Chinua Achebe that everyone reads in their first year of college to not be racist. Rate them all 5. Use them to try to strike up a conversation with a friend of a friend who studied at Vassar, and impress her with how non-racist and worldly you are.

Let me know if you are the first person in the world to actually get anywhere with this.

haha yeah those people are the worst. I'm the real deal though, I've read two books by Chinua Achebe

PuppiesAndKitties
Jun 5, 2008
I LOVE KYASHI'S MONEY
Grimey Drawer

Toadvine posted:

The answer I think is quite simple: accept the author's racism as a facet of their antiquated worldview. If you like the book, recommend it to others.

E: have you considered that you may actually be more racist than you thought

Word. If you really want to go down the Lit thought exercise path, compare the events of the book with how you would have reacted.

Commie NedFlanders
Mar 8, 2014

Applewhite posted:

Oh man you just finished A Horse and His Boy. It was a great story but the portrayal of the Calormen people was an unflattering caricature of Muslims. What should be done about this?

Should you warn other people not to read the book?
No because it's a great book and everyone should read it.

Should you recommend the book but warn the prospective reader that there are some racially insensitive elements?
Why would you do this? If you think the person might be turned off the book by your warning, why did you recommend it, and if you don't think they'll care, then why warn them?
Pretty much the only reason to even bring it up is in a pathetic attempt to distance yourself from the problematic aspects of the book. Congratulations you are a coward.

Should you write to the publisher and tell them to Bowdlerize the offending passages?
Sure and while you're at it why not just get all your like-minded friends together for a good old fashioned book burning?

Should you endeavor to recognize and confront prejudice in your own life so that you don't perpetuate it in your words and deeds?
You should already be doing this I don't see what it has to do with C.S. Lewis.

Like, I understand that it's important to recognize prejudice in fiction but, having recognized it, I don't really see any practical application of this knowledge. I get it that art is not immune from criticism but where do you go from there? Is it just criticism for the sake of criticism?

I dunno maybe some goons can enlighten me.


There is No Room for racist literature in an enlightened liberal society where all ideas are valued. Ban the book, arrest anyone who read it.


:triggered: :shillary:

Borneo Jimmy
Feb 27, 2007

by Smythe
Arthur Henry Ward (better known as Sax Rohmer), the author of the famous "Fun Manchu" adventure novels, was also a member of the Golden Dawn and penned a number of occult books as well. According to his own account, he started his lucrative writing career on advice gained through a Ouija board. He asked how to best make a living as a writer and the board spelled out "c-h-i-n-a-m-a-n". The novels that followed brought him fame and fortune and franchise that is still popular today.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Millions of Crows posted:

Untill the 60s it was fashionable to be racist, the further back you go, the more blatant prejudice was accepted. Catholics and protestants hated each other, Irish, Italians and polish weren't considered white, so if a book from 100 years ago is racist, that's normal, and no one gives a poo poo.
Historical context stupid.
Racism is an old meme, its not as funny any more.

MiracleWhale
Jun 30, 2015


a hole-y ghost posted:

Racism is an old meme, its not as funny any more.

picturing the dancing banana in a kkk outfit

A Stupid Baby
Dec 31, 2002

lip up fatty

Profondo Rosso posted:

you can replace "racism" with literally anything and this is a big dumb baby view point to hold. "yeah this book is good, but its a mystery novel" doesn't mean "dont read it because its a mystery omg dont judge me for liking books with mysteries in it!!/11" it's just mentioning a facet of the book and allowing the potential reader to judge for themselves whether they want to read it (because you are not the ultimate arbiter on what books other people want to read).

What if you know the person your're talking to doesn't like mystery novels as a trope, but it's so good that they should consider reading it anyway?

Jim Barris
Aug 13, 2009
You don't need to do anything, who told you it was your responsibility to do something about it? Lots of great art comes with baggage from the past we'd rather all forget about but nothing is gained from averting your gaze from the uncomfortable realities of the past or present, obviously you have a responsibility to curb the prejudice that exists in your mind, but it's stupid to think we should just avoid being exposed to nasty realities.

OMG JC a Bomb!
Jul 13, 2004

We are the Invisible Spatula. We are the Grilluminati. We eat before and after dinner. We eat forever. And eventually... eventually we will lead them into the dining room.

Da OP posted:

The book you just finished was racist. Now what?

I publish it and start writing my next one.

SurfaceDetail
Feb 17, 2016

by Cowcaster
i cant imagine any human being actually getting upset about an uncharitable racial portrayal in media.

its just so small. like something a housecat would think in any way matters

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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book racist, so what?

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Jim Barris posted:

You don't need to do anything, who told you it was your responsibility to do something about it? Lots of great art comes with baggage from the past we'd rather all forget about but nothing is gained from averting your gaze from the uncomfortable realities of the past or present, obviously you have a responsibility to curb the prejudice that exists in your mind, but it's stupid to think we should just avoid being exposed to nasty realities.

Literally the point of the OP.

Jim Barris
Aug 13, 2009

Applewhite posted:

Literally the point of the OP.

You asked a question don't be mad I gave you the answer you already arrived at.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Jim Barris posted:

You asked a question don't be mad I gave you the answer you already arrived at.

I'm not mad I'm happy.

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

OMG JC a Bomb! posted:

I publish it and start writing my next one.

lol

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
i literaly do not care one ounce about anything in this world and want to die

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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nomadologique posted:

i literaly do not care one ounce about anything in this world and want to die

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


nomadologique posted:

i literaly do not care one ounce about anything in this world and want to die

u need more or better drugs

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nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
it's funny bc they are almost named "colormen"

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