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WHAT’S GOING ON, I READ SOME ARTICLE ON REDDIT / PCGAMER EDIT:    IF YOU ARE RETURNING TO THE SWARM, GET TO OUR STAGING SYSTEM IN SARANEN, PLANET 5 MOON 9 QUAFE STATION, GET DOCTRINE SHIPS OFF OF PUBLIC CONTRACT, AND GET ON JABBER AND GET IN FLEETS  LINK ZONE* https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BYX9nTujL320-BJdb87ixew693DUwSCvsDAuCc5acdA/edit?usp=sharing recap on game changes over the last couple of years (Written 3/29/2016) While the following novel is mostly aimed at returning veterans to Goonswarm, lured back to the fold by media coverage of recent events, it is a recommended read for everyone. Short version: We are at war. Agitators have galvanized literally the rest of the entire population that plays Eve Online: Noted Space-themed Spreadsheet against us. Recently, they convinced one of our allies to turn traitor against us in a failed bid against our supercapital fleet. We’ve been forced to cede one region, half of another region belongs to the traitors, and yet more may fall as we engage in a painful journey of self-discovery with the new Aegis sovereignty system. There has never been a better time to return to the swarm. IF YOU HAVE CAPITALS OR SUPERCAPITALS ANYWHERE BUT OUR CURRENT STAGING SYSTEM, DO NOT TRY TO MOVE THEM YOURSELF.  Jump ranges have been cut to five light years, and jump fatigue limits your ability to move. Get your access and roles restored, then talk to the relevant handlers to arrange a move-op. More than anything, the enemy wants your capitals and supercapitals dead. Do not allow them to take what belongs to you.Long version follows. First, we must lead with some history. After winning The Bloodbath of B-R5RB, we retired to relative peace. In the interim, perennial enemies of ours, Northern Coalition. and Pandemic Legion retired to rebuild their lost supercapitals and lick their wounds. CCP, in two separate game expansions, introduced Jump Fatigue and Aegis sovereignty (affectionately dubbed “fozziesov” in honor of CCP Fozzie, the man who was in charge of communicating the details of the new sovereignty system to the public.) BACKGROUND: Jump Fatigue affects any jump drive travel; capital jumps, blackops jumps, blackops bridges, and even use of Titan bridges and Jump Bridges suffer the Curse of the Blue Mushroom. (Look at the icon in-game and you’ll get it.) Performing a jump accrues a quantity of Jump Fatigue commensurate with not only how far you travel, but how much fatigue you already possessed. The current value of Fatigue institutes a recovery timer (orange mushroom) that you must endure before you can jump again. Some hulls, like industrials and blackops battleships, enjoy a reduction, but everyone else suffers 60 minutes of fatigue for executing their first five light year jump, and must wait six minutes before jumping again. This patch also reduced Jump Freighters to a max of 10 LY per jump, blackops BS to 8 LY, and all other capitals to 5 LY. Repeated jumps make your Jump Fatigue (blue mushroom) increase geometrically, up to a cap of five days. BACKGROUND: The Aegis release radically changed the face of sov in Eve. In fozziesov, as it is lovingly called, sovereignty is no longer contested by structure shoots. In its stead, you fit a module called an Entosis Link to a cheap, disposable ship. This module prevents you from warping or receiving remote assistance while active, and capital ships are burdened with a hefty multiplier to its cycle time. Using the entosis link on a sov structure (infrastructure hub, territory control unit, or station) eventually causes the initial reinforcement phase to complete. Once the RF is up, instead of returning to the structure to contest it, Command Node anomalies spawn throughout the constellation of the reinforced structure. These nodes must be captured in a game of Benny Hill style grab-rear end by attackers or defenders in order to destroy an ihub or TCU, or freeport and then subsequently capture a station. The new capture system has a few caveats: The only people allowed to count as defenders in the system are the alliance who owns the structure. Everyone else counts as an attacker. This means that coalition allies can lend only limited support to defense. All defensive structures will slowly auto-complete. This means that uncommitted attackers do not immediately endanger your stuff. How hard nodes are to hack are dependent on strategic index (how long you’ve had sov,) military index (ratting,) and industrial index (mining.) This means ratting and mining are now directly relevant to sovereignty security. This puts absentee landlords at a disadvantage; systems that aren’t being ratted or mined are comparatively trivial to flip. These factors sum up to create a figure called the Activity Defense Multiplier, or ADM. With this in mind, fast-forward to October 2015. One of our allies, SpaceMonkey’s Alliance (SMA) stole a fairly trivial amount of ISK from “I Want ISK” (IWI), an Eve gambling site. As a measure of revenge, IWI hired some fairly non-noteworthy lowsec-dwellers to camp SMA’s sov in the region of Fade and reduce their ADMs. This continued for some time with mixed success. However, this action, more than anything, put the chum in the water; other players became attracted to Fade. Most notable of these was Pandemic Horde. Pandemic Horde is an organization belonging to Pandemic Legion, born out of their castration of Brave Newbies Inc. following B-R5, notable for its “everyone allowed, no questions asked, no APIs required, not even from Dabigredboat’s alt named ‘awox mcshootblues.’” With their numbers bolstered by Pandemic Horde’s thousands, ADMs in Fade quickly dove off a cliff and sov began being hacked all over Fade. This tactic continued for a number of weeks, causing rapid evolution of our military doctrines and staging systems (which eventually settled on the lowsec system Saranen in adjacent Lonetrek.) Results were mixed; a few systems were lost, but quickly reconquered. However, more than anything, the amount of chum in the water increased, drawing more and more actors into theatre. As hostile morale started to break, they began looking for alternate targets. Eventually, they settled on our eastern border and began to attack Vale of the Silent, primary home of Get Off My Lawn (LAWN) and The Bastion, with a notable single constellation held by Circle of Two (CO2). Keep that last name in mind for later. Hostile forces began amassing a significant amount of numbers. Favors were called in; previous grudges pardoned and other hypocrisy abounded in order to cause the conglomeration of the single largest anti-Us force in the history of the game. Here is where the lessons on jump fatigue come into play. Due to the geography of solar systems in Eve, it is very difficult to reach Vale of the Silent from anywhere else in our dominion. Abuse of lowsec systems in Black Rise and Lonetrek allowed us to cover the regions of Tribute, Deklein, Fade, and Pure Blind, but Vale of the Silent required at minimum one bridge for subcaps, and two jumps for capitals to even get to the border systems. These jumps come at the cost of a large quantity of the dread Blue Mushroom of jump fatigue. Because of this, when hostiles began to attack Vale in earnest, it quickly became apparent that a proper defense was impossible. Vale of the Silent has 118 systems, making it one of the largest single regions in nullsec. As such, ADMs in Vale of the Silent were, at the time, complete dogshit. The call was made to abandon Vale entirely and evacs began. While goods and subcapital ships are easy to evacuate using the almighty Jump Freighter, capitals and supercapital assets are quite another. Due to the hostile activity, the prospect of moving supercapitals out of Vale was a tricky one, to put it lightly, especially with the supercapital forces of NCdot and PL recently arriving in theatre. Enter CO2 -- they reached out to LAWN and Bastion, and offered their assistance to cover the evac of supercapital assets. Towers along a specific route were provided to allow supercapitals to safely wait out their Blue Mushroom fatigue plague. On March 28th, 2016, two timers for CO2’s main staging system, M-OEE8 were due to begin; the station first, then the infrastructure hub. The station timer was defended uncontested. After the station was saved, an evac op for LAWN/Bastion supercapitals occurred. Kcolor, the FC of the move op, elected to take a different route than the one CO2 had offered due to factors that are not yet determined. (Ignorance of the offer, fatigue management, gut feeling, random chance are all potential reasons. What comes later, however, was not.) The move-op was fairly uneventful and supercarriers were safely moved to Saranen. However, the circumstances of the move-op were unusual; NCdot had their entire supercapital force online, in range of the path the supercapitals took to Saranen. Yet, they didn’t engage. We’ll come back to this later as well. Time passes and the IHUB timer comes due. In one of the largest Time Dilation tarpits in months, 3000 people were press-ganged into the constellation housing M-OEE8. While the M-O node was reinforced, the neighboring systems were not, and as the fight spilled into those systems, the server promptly began making GBS threads itself. However, not only were hostiles losing ground on the capture of the sovereignty contest, but NCdot and now PL once again had their supercapital fleets online. This is unusual because of fozziesov; supercapitals cannot meaningfully contest command nodes due to their cycle time penalty and their inability to meaningfully interdict typical entosis link ships. As the fight raged on, more curiosities emerge; PL drops triage carriers with entosis links fitted to contest nodes, despite the capital penalty to them. High profile members of the hostile community are doing the scutwork of contesting nodes. Hostiles are making almost no progress on the actual contest, despite outnumbering us 3 to 1. Nothing about the fight makes sense. Then, a metaphorical cyno beacon is lit on Reddit’s Eve subforum: CO2 To Reset The Imperium. CO2 performs a classic backstab in the middle of the conflict, and CO2 defense hackers quickly abandon their nodes, allowing their own IHUB to fall. As the dust settles, we begin to piece the situation together. CO2 approached LAWN and Bastion, offering them a highway to evac their supers. We find out later that CO2 allegedly seeded the safe towers offered with logged-off interdictors. CO2 also suggested that LAWN and Bastion stage in the system of TVN, which is notable for being a complete deadzone in terms of capital geography. Any forces staged there not only would be vulnerable to bubble-supported hellcamps, but would be completely unreachable from neighboring lowsec. Due to kcolor’s serendipitous decision to avoid CO2’s route, the LAWN/Bastion supers do not use dictor-seeded towers, and evade the eyes of potential hostile scouts along their cobbled-together route. In effect, kcolor affected the Eve equivalent of the Miracle of Dunkirk by extracting supers from what should have been a complete shitshow and out from under the notice of NCdot supers, which have been logged on and in range since the station timer. The decision to contest the IHUB rather than the station is also strange. M-OEE8 is CO2’s primary staging system; freeporting it leaves their assets extremely vulnerable. Conversely, M-OEE8 is CO2’s designated Capital System, and any such system enjoys 33% of the maximum ADM handed to it for free. Destroying the IHUB in this system only has a moderate effect on its defensibility as a result; mining and ratting contributions to the system’s ADM were nil. Yet, more than 60 alliances showed up to M-O’s theatre to contest one of the least important timers in the war. The choice of tactics for the IHUB contest were also strange. Dogpiling 3000 people into one unreinforced system is a poor tactic for winning a sovereignty contest; nodes spawn in systems across the constellation battlespace and creating a gigantic fuckfest from which no one can escape is stupid, at best. This also makes their triage capitals a poor choice for hackers; one such triage carrier was rapidly evaporated by the 125 man machariel fleet that skirted along the edges of the Time Dilation tarpit while any potential support was stuck therein. Supercapitals from NCdot remained logged in, and were joined in being logged in by PL’s supercap fleet. Supercapitals can only provide limited support to a node contest, and shoving them into the tarpit would have been extremely risky, with node death already occurring. CO2, for whatever motivation they had to execute a backstab, chose a very strange time to do it. Positive progress on the node contest had been made; constellation control swung up as high as 70% before the backstab was made public. After we fit all the pieces together, we come to a horrifying conclusion: the events of March 28th, 2016 were designed to ensnare our entire supercapital fleet and murder it, satisfying vengeance for our victory of B-R5RB. CO2’s suggestion to restage LAWN/Bastion to TVN would have made their ability to contribute to their own defense hampered. CO2’s evac route towers were seeded with interdictors. The plan of the hostiles was simple: tackle LAWN/Bastion supers along CO2’s route, to bait a response from our supercapitals, including support from CO2. Once we bit on the bait, CO2 would log in dictors, bubble our fleet, switch sides, and slaughter our supercapital forces along with NCdot and PL. However, this tactic did not come to pass; the Miracle of This brings us to today. Even now, as of this writing, hostiles are rallying to strike into our remaining Tribute holdings and increase pressure in our inner holdings. We are on the back foot and poo poo hasn’t been this real since Darius JOHNSON called for the abandonment of the southeast to strike Band of Brothers in Delve. I, Querns, author of this post, have stood up once more to be counted amongst the defenders. Won’t you join me? Gwyneth Palpate fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Apr 1, 2016 |
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Richard Bong posted:Wormholes exist and querns cant do anything about it. Not even with his newfound director powers im gonna do it, im gonna nerf wormholes
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Mar 30, 2016 20:56
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Torpor posted:Why do you have self imposed silence? meme number post count
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Mar 30, 2016 21:21
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DrFrankenStrudel posted:lighting up the watch-list of every FC hi watchlist was removed last patch
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Diogines posted:As a goon who no longer plays Eve and never did so seriously, but watched this unfold a bit from the interwebs, what is a realistic worst case scenario? Could this be the end of Goonfleet? This is a serious question. Worst case, we lose EVERYTHING sov-wise, and probably some of our numbers as well. We will still have shitloads of money and an entire universe upon which to vent our autism.
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Bell_ posted:Does the Elusif Man still turn ISK into pizzas and rent? no, ccp declared fatwa on him and now doggedly ban him any time he pokes his head above ground, thus signifying 6 more weeks of shitposting
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nessin posted:I don't think any variant of Goonswarm has lived in the Drone Regions, right? I say abandon Dek now and go on a rampage to a new home so that all four corners can claim to be ransacked and left broken. no, we've definitely lived in the drone regions at least once i cannot speak to it personally though paging weaselior to the thread
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crew posted:We could live in K3J and hotdrop the VFK beacon no range 
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kuive posted:5 loving light years now - you can't even cross a region anymore. But *all* ships can take gates now. It was pretty hilarious for the first week seeing Titans taking gates, but now it's just stupid. yeah capital gate travel is all about mashing the "JUMP" button on the gate as fast as you can and praying that you don't loving bump due to the 20 erebuses that are being shoved up your rear end that and being fleet warped and having to slum it at non-travel-fit armor garbage warp speed 
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Percelus posted:(12:25:19 AM) Ogast :human being:: at least the women he talks to are still breathing after he meets them
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dialhforhero posted:Don't forget CoonSwarm, the planned Minmatar FW alt alliance. not related but that reminds me of goomwaffe, the best corp in goonswarm federation
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Percelus posted:querns was also mod of the channel and could have stepped in at anytime 
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nessin posted:Since I'm actually contemplating subscribing again, what is the current fleet comp? Part of the reason I quit flying last time was I was bare minimum Baltecfleet pilot and didn't enjoy flying Logi every single fight (although I don't mind on average), and I'm still a ways out from having all the requisite leadership skills for flying a T3 fleet bonus position. we use the following ships as dps line ships: interceptors jackdaws (new tech 3 destroyer) caracals hurricanes proteus MACHARIELS and some random support ships: proteus again loki legion (instacane 3.0) armageddon bhaalgorn vindicator dictors/hictors are always needed too
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Dorkopotamis posted:2. What is SRP? Ship Replacement Program, aka we give you isk for dying for the swarm with insurance this means that you fly fleet ships for free or better than free
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Mar 31, 2016 17:52
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Unfunny Poster posted:If you're suspicious of Fozzie's past in playing with PL and then being hired by CCP, then you should be equally suspicious of the ex-members of Goons ending up doing the same thing. You should also be incredibly suspicious of the TEST guy CCP hired to manage the CSM since he could have lied to them to benefit TEST in-game all goons that were at ccp have long since departed Fart Water Island for actual jobs at riot or soe
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Robo Reagan posted:So going by The Scope video there's about to be a bigass war and it's time to resub so I can be there war is already here
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Zephyrine posted:Looked more like boat was just screwing around while Vee felt like the whole war effort was hanging on that that was vily, not vee
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Dadbuck posted:I'm predicting we are going to go to Lowsec. it's funny because we unironically stage from lowsec in TYOOL 2016
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FAT CURES MUSCLES posted:How should someone returning get back to goon space? I last logged in 2012ish and all I have is a rifter to my name and whatever skills go with the old newbee build. Would it be easier to just sell everything and clone myself back to friendly space, or just make a new character closer. if you can fly an interceptor, just fit one out with 4 istabs and literally warp gates with local minimized because they are immune to bubbles and align faster than it is possible to lock 99% of the time you can arrive safely doing this
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dragonstalking posted:why don't your armor supes fit for travel? the tyranny of slaves makes them garbage even in travel fit
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there's travel fit, and then there's TRAVEL FIT
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Potato Salad posted:Holy poo poo! Does it take reduced xl torp damage? no that is an MWD which i am pretty sure makes it take extra torp damage in addition to murdering your famil
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however with the same 2 nano, no snake fit i was able to clock about 350 m/s heated with a 10GN AB
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frozenpussy posted:Are they annotated as GN in the client? That is so cool. no unfortunately, it was 10000MN AB or it was when i was last on sisi which was a while ago
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OKAY SHUT THE gently caress UP ALL OF YOU I HATE YOU WORMHOLE GENOCIDE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE anyways CONSOLIDATED GAME CHANGES FOR RETURNING VETERANSif you are confused about eve in TYOOL 2016 please click the above pro-click zone
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LemonDrizzle posted:Ah, I see you've read about capital escalations getting nerfed into oblivion. remains to be seen if it is actually a nerf but i like the idea of capital drifters accumulating and creating a massive fuckball if they aren't taken care of
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man who blew the horn of edgelord tryhards because wow
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bonewitch posted:actual dumb question: why do dudes keep forming up for ihubs, i thought they weren't that important compared to stations it's actually quite the opposite fozziesov things are harder to capture when the ADM (Activity Defense Multiplier) is higher ihubs are what allow ADMs to accumulate in the first place, and blowing one up drops the ADM to the minimum stations on the other hand are necessarily in nullsec, and thus terrible places to stage from, letting hostiles dock in them is nbd, their funeral
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randoark posted:OK obviously there is a ton of politics and good-guy bad-guy stuff going on here, but what do I need to do if I just want to join as a nameless dude who can get in a ship and throw myself at some stuff? Barely remember how to play the game (last time I did anything was like 2007) - I have a character that's got like 65 million exp and some useful skills but not much $ or ships. you're probably fine for waffe as long as you don't have like hideous eve corp history and even then i am not sure we care
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Huge_Midget posted:What logs/where can I read them? https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/204589-circle-of-two-are-traitors/
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Zethe posted:Can someone tl;dr those logs summary: co2 bad
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randoark posted:Cool - thanks. Just went through the online application process, when I get home from work i'll try to apply in-game. Is there a newbie corp? While I have a character with a lot of xp for all intents and purposes i'm completely clueless - reactivated an account for 10 days last night and had no idea what I was doing. Need to run through the tutorial at the very least. yes, the newbie corp is called goonwaffe or to put it in less of a cheeky way, you don't need to join a training corp or whatever, if you can log in and undock you're good to go, you will learn as you go
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straight from the hurf factory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwGsGVZ4JXA
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nessin posted:Since I'm don't really want to resub on my second account with my carrier (and I probably wouldn't want to make the trip on my own anyways), how painful would it be to manually fly down a few non-interceptors to Saranen from VFK? you wouldn't want to resub your carrier anyways, jump fatigue makes suitcase carriers take about 50 minutes per jump to do if you're going more than about 2 jumps and the max range you can jump at a time is 5 light years (less than half the old range)
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ranbo das posted:Was the GSF showing after the SOTG really so bad? There's only like 200 people on the battle report which is like less than half of FCON. The problem with battle reports is that they only show the people who died or got on a killmail. The call was made to blueball enemy forces after winning the ihub, so many of our pilots did not show up.
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Altran posted:Some history lesson needed, why was fatbee chosen as our alliance logo since the beginning? because mothra sucks
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LemonDrizzle posted:Looks like CCP have gone full retard with the supercap rebalance: tracking titans are back. yeah but infinite spidertanking circlejerks are gone at the same time so actually using them comes as a higher risk
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Foul Ole Ron posted:So anyboday give me a current events which is not reddit pubbie sperging please? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3770359&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1#post458071763
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