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LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
The Tories have an April Fool's joke as well:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/01/top-uk-earners-to-receive-as-much-in-benefits-as-poorest-by-2020

quote:

The wealthiest 20% of Britain’s earners will receive almost as much support from the state through the “shadow welfare” of generous tax-breaks by 2020, as the poorest fifth take home in benefits, according to a new analysis by the Fabian Society.
Iain Duncan Smith used his resignation letter from the cabinet to criticise the March budget as “unfair,” for juxtaposing reductions in benefits for the disabled with tax cuts for some of the wealthiest in society.
But Andrew Harrop, the Fabians’ general secretary, said his research shows the budget was just the latest step in a radical reshaping of the welfare state, which has shifted resources from the poorest in society to the better-off.
“By the end of the decade, if the Conservatives deliver on their manifesto promises, households in the top fifth of the income distribution will be receiving an average of £9,400 a year in tax allowances and welfare payments; while the poorest fifth of households, for whom benefits may be their only source of income, receive an average of £10,200,” he said.
...
The cash value of the basic personal tax allowances will have increased by 80% in the decade to 2020; while out-of-work benefits have increased by just 12%. That means the average two-earner couple will be receiving more in basic tax allowances by 2020 than an unemployed couple would be given in benefits. Tax reliefs are rarely considered as equivalent to cash benefit payments; but Harrop argues that the revenue foregone by the Treasury still amounts to financial support, and politicians should ask themselves whether this represents the best use of taxpayers’ resources.”
From the perspective of disposable income it makes no difference whether the government gives you a tax allowance or a cash payment,” he said. “The government must explain how it can justify giving more money to working couples through the ‘shadow welfare’ of tax reliefs than to the unemployed through benefits.”

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LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Lord of the Llamas posted:

So many big companies have ridiculous pension deficits. My parents generation had university grants, social housing, and ridiculous pension promises. The next generation are being forced to mortgage their lives to get a degree and work for companies that are pouring money into the pensions of people who voted for the government that's loving them over because all the good social stuff their parents/grandparents got are now "unaffordable luxuries".
To be fair, the old final salary schemes were never affordable; people just deluded themselves for a few decades until reality asserted itself.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Rejoice! House prices went up by 2.6% last month, and are up 10.1% year-on-year: http://static.halifax.co.uk/assets/pdf/mortgages/pdf/March-2016-Halifax-House-Price-index.pdf

To celebrate, the Telegraph has run a piece explaining how wonderful it is to live in a flatshare in your forties: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/flat-sharing-at-40-the-thought-of-owning-property-again-is-daunt/

quote:

Recent research by flat-sharing website Weroom showed that in the UK 28 per cent of those in flat-shares are living with people over the age of 40. As property prices continue to rise across the UK, flat-sharing is increasingly common among all ages.
‘Gone are the days when young couples married and moved into their lifetime home to begin a family,’ says Thomas Villeneuve of Weroom. ‘It’s clear that more needs to be done to protect renters who will not be able to afford to buy, and therefore see flat-sharing as a long-term property solution.’
...
The psychology of sharing a living space later in life is the subject of research by Dr Becky Spelman at the Private Therapy Clinic, alongside her peers in London and New York. She says, ‘This kind of living style has an initial impact on self-esteem for many. We have preconceptions that society will judge us negatively for not owning our home past the age of 40.’
However, Dr Spelman says that levels of independence grow in many cases, leading to increased self-esteem. ‘This is interesting as the data suggests that, while flat-sharing in your 40s often starts as a negative experience (in the individual’s eyes), it turns into the making of a person.’
One reason for this, she believes, is that flat-sharing can halt the usual mid-40s happiness slump, which psychologists attribute to modern expectations of achievement reaching their nadir at that age.
‘By breaking away from the social norm of something as basic as accommodation, a person can find the additional stimuli to choose their happiness, which is much more difficult if they are too heavily tied into “achieving” social norms.’

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

TinTower posted:

But how do you make sure the axe goes straight through?
mass and gravity are pretty reliable partners

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Noxville posted:

I did, thats why I said bury rather than omit. It's right at the end and gives a bollocks reason with no indication that there may ne any immoral motives behind it.
Why would there be anything immoral about someone giving a gift to a family member? Gifts are not, and never have been, subject to tax unless the giver dies within seven years of making the gift.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

baka kaba posted:

Ethics is founded on the tax code now? This philosophy needs a catchy name
If the act is considered immoral because it looks like an attempt to avoid paying one's fair share of tax, then the tax code seems pretty relevant. If it's considered immoral for some other reason, the tax code probably isn't relevant.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

OvineYeast posted:

The issue here is that David Cameron has effectively inherited £500,000, but not been taxed on it because of the (conscious) way it was structured, even though it would usually be subject to tax.
No, he hasn't. He inherited £300k from his father and was given £200k by his mother. The only way you can say he "effectively" inherited £500k is by assuming that his mother cannot have any assets of her own.

Setting up a Panamanian shell company to avoid UK corporation tax is a clear case of tax avoidance. Giving someone a gift is not.

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Apr 10, 2016

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Renaissance Robot posted:

That definitely doesn't sound totally fake.
It isn't fake. Some celeb was shagging around and took out a super-injunction to prevent the papers reporting on it, but it turns out that English super-injunctions don't apply in Scotland so some Scottish paper is running with it to make some kind of a point and definitely not to air someone's dirty laundry.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/11/tata-steel-deal-saves-4400-uk-jobs

quote:

Tata Steel has agreed the sale of its UK long products business to investment group Greybull Capital for a “nominal” fee, sealing a deal the two firms said would save 4,400 jobs in the UK.

The deal, which follows protracted negotiations, will save a steelworks in Scunthorpe, two mills in Teesside, an engineering workshop in Workington, a design consultancy in York, and associated distribution facilities, as well as a mill in northern France.

Greybull will pay a “nominal” fee for the business because it will take on the group’s liabilities and must come up with funding to keep the facilities going.

Bimlendra Jha, executive director of the Long Products division, said: “This sale is the best possible outcome for employees who have worked relentlessly to ensure the business’s survival, and helped to make it attractive to a potential buyer.”

“This sale is the best possible outcome for employees who have worked relentlessly to ensure the business’s survival, and helped to make it attractive to a potential buyer.”

The sale follows a long negotiation process that began late last year after Tata Steel announced plans to mothball its UK Long Products business, putting around 4,800 jobs at risk.

Greybull has previously invested in charter airline Monarch and High Street retailer Comet.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Zephro posted:

This is why I don't freelance. I could earn a bit of extra cash but I just cannot be hosed with all the paperwork it would require.
It's really not that onerous. That said, you're pretty bloody foolish if you have to submit a tax return but don't make and keep a copy for your own records.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Tesseraction posted:

My favourite bit of this is the Hindus in the control group were equal to or worse than the Muslims on the questions of DAMNED JEWS and gently caress THE GAYS.
That's meaningless, though, because there were literally only 6 Hindus in the control group; the control group results for religious groups other than Christians and those with no religion have zero statistical significance.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
New Welsh polling: http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2016-04-11/welsh-political-barometer-labour-retain-lead-while-plaid-cymru-move-up-ahead-of-assembly-election/

Labour still projected to lose their pseudomajority, UKIP still predicted to make big gains.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Robot Mil posted:

I worked out that it would take you 99 months to save £138000 if both you and your girlfriend earned the average FULL time wage and were able to save everything but the basics. Then I realised that the wage equates to a full time salary of ~£25k/year, so you'd only be able to borrow around £100k from the bank. Let's be generous and say it's £150k by the time that 2020 comes around if banks do lend more in London and wages go up. You'd still need a deposit of £408k (plus expenses) to buy the predicted 'average' London house.

Congratulations, you can become a homeowner in 25 years if you spend no money on anything ever apart from bills and food!

There are shared ownership and government backed schemes which might help a little, but it's still a huge affordability gap. A £25k salary is less then some of the inner London median wages but pretty similar to most of the outer London areas so there must be a huge amount of people with the same problem.

Banks will lend on joint salaries and can lend up to 4.5x joint income without running into regulatory issues, so two people earning £25k each could borrow up to £225k. After tax, £25k becomes £20k, so the couple would have a net income of £3333/month. Taking away £1k for rent and another £800 for joint living expenses, that leaves around £1500/month to save, so actually a mere 18.5 years to save the necessary deposit of £333k. On the plus side, you'd get a pretty good interest rate on your mortgage with that large a deposit!

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Hiring someone to do your garden work rather than DIYing it? Sounds suspiciously posh to me.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Tesseraction posted:

Not to say someone on £75k is 'working class' at all, but that calling that 'middle class' is inaccurate with current wealth distributions.

If someone on £75k is neither working nor middle class, what class are they?

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
John Whittingdale is a very naughty boy (Daily Mail warning): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...als-affair.html

quote:

Cabinet Minister John Whittingdale had a two-year relationship with a former porn star who claims he showed her confidential Government papers at his constituency home.
Married ex-Page 3 model Stephanie Hudson, 36, says Culture Secretary Mr Whittingdale showed her highly-sensitive documents to ‘show off’ as he worked on his Ministerial Red Box over breakfast.

The new claims are made by Ms Hudson, a medical receptionist, who appeared topless in tabloid newspapers until the early 2000s and once took part in a soft-porn TV series. In a candid account of their turbulent on-off relationship, Ms Hudson says:
After meeting on the internet, Mr Whittingdale told her he was an arms dealer;
He called his local Essex constituents ‘oiks’;
The couple were asked to leave the Savoy Hotel for 'drunken heavy petting';
He took her to the Commons and turned off the lights to avoid being caught on CCTV – and kissed and groped her;
He said of immigrants: ‘If you let one in, they all want to come’;
He two-timed her with a dominatrix.

In a separate investigation, The Mail on Sunday has learned of new details of Mr Whittingdale’s political links to Eastern Europe and a pro-Vladimir Putin Ukrainian oligarch; in addition to relationships with two Eastern European women 20 years his junior.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
New ComRes poll:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721405481760223234

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721406292112338945

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721407603994193920

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721408597758976001

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721408057922756608

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/722101052007452673

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/722100438947012609

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/722100130543968257

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfsWoNpHg2s

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labours-john-mcdonnell-wants-angry-7789957

quote:

The Shadow Chancellor told a public rally that Labour will support direct action by nurses and teachers to try to bring down the Government
Labour's John McDonnell has backed thousands of teachers and nurses to walk out on strike and vowed to bring down the Government through direct action.
In an incendiary speech, the Shadow Chancellor said the era of Labour leaders refusing to back strike action is “over”.
Mr McDonnell pledged "solidarity" with public servants who strike against Tory cuts and heaped praise on disabled protesters "who on a regular basis are storming Parliament".
And the avowed Marxist told crowds they could “bring this Government down” before the 2020 election.
"We need determination that will defeat them at every opportunity - whether it is in Parliament, on the picket lines or on the streets,” the Shadow Chancellor said.
“If we can work in solidarity together, we don't have to wait to the election in 2020. We have got to work to bring this Government down at the first opportunity."

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
And now the unelected Lords are undermining democracy again. Shameful stuff.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/19/government-scraps-proposed-changes-trade-union-funding?CMP=share_btn_tw

quote:

The government is to drop a controversial proposal to change trade union funding arrangements after a threatened rebellion in the House of Lords.
Under plans included in the trade union bill all civil servants and staff in the wider public sector who belong to a union would have had to switch to direct debits or make other arrangements to pay their fees.
But a cabinet office minister admitted the government had failed to convince Tory peers to vote for the proposal and said it would be dropped from the bill.
The decision will be seen as a major victory for public sector unions which had claimed the proposal was a vindictive attack on their finances.
Critics had warned that a switch to direct debit payments would see members leave trade unions and no longer be able to access services they provided such as help with cheap loans, debt advice and legal aid.
In the report stage debate in the Lords,the cabinet office minister Lord Bridges acknowledged many Tory peers opposed the measure.
“I fear that my trying to convince you of our case may simply add grist to the mill of those who see this measure as a means of undermining trade unions themselves. This is certainly not and never has been the government’s intention,” he said.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
http://www.channel4.com/news/battlebus-conservatives-admit-election-expenses

quote:

Channel 4 News has obtained further undeclared receipts showing more than £38,000 was spent accommodating activists at hotels across the country, as part of the BattleBus2015 campaign. The spending was not declared to the Electoral Commission in accordance with the law.
The investigation has also obtained evidence that the BattleBus campaign was focused on local candidates, suggesting the accommodation costs incurred should have been declared on local candidate spending returns, if so this could constitute a criminal offence.
If local campaigning had taken place, 24 of the 29 constituencies visited by BattleBus would have exceeded the legal spending limits set out by law. 22 of these seats were won by the Conservatives.
In the South West overall, the Tories won 14 seats all from the Lib Dems.

The Conservative Party today confirmed to Channel 4 News that it had failed to declare the costs related to the Battlebus hotels due to what it described as an "administrative error" despite previously stating that all of the party's returns were accurate.
A Conservative spokesperson said: "CCHQ campaigned across the country for the return of a Conservative Government. Such campaigning would be part of the national return, not local return, as the Electoral Commission has said. As is apparent from our National Return, the Party declared expenditure related to our CCHQ-organised Battlebus.
"However, due to administrative error it omitted to declare the accommodation costs of those using the vehicles. This is something we have already brought to the attention of the Electoral Commission in order to amend the return.
Don't mind us, just casually ignoring the law on campaign funding, nothing to see here.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Oh dear, people have been telling porkies.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/21/all-top-selling-cars-break-emissions-limits-in-real-world-tests

quote:

All cars tested in a government inquiry set up in the wake of the Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal exceed laboratory limits for nitrogen oxide when tested in “real world” conditions.
A report published by the Department for Transport revealed that none of the 37 top-selling vehicles met the legal level of 180 mg/km.
Cars meeting Euro 5 standards – which could be sold up to September last year – were all “substantially higher” in real world conditions than the measurements recorded in the laboratory, according to the study.
The Vauxhall Insignia was the worst performer in the inquiry, emitting over 1,800 mg/km.
Even the best performer, the Citroen C4, was found to emit around three times the legal laboratory level.
Real world driving emissions tests will be introduced next year, although diesel cars will initially be allowed to pollute more than double the current legal level because of their limited ability to reduce real world emissions in the short term.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
English hard cheeses are superior to those from any other country and anybody who thinks otherwise is sorely mistaken.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/722806824727101440

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/722790183251415040

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/722689733449670657

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/24/labour-set-for-worst-council-defeat-in-opposition-for-34-years/

quote:

Labour is on course to suffer its worst result in opposition for 34 years at the local elections, one of Britain’s most respected polling experts has warned.
...
Analysis for this newspaper by Prof Curtice, who teaches politics at Strathclyde University and is president of the British Polling Council, reveals the party is heading for a historic council defeat.
Taking Labour’s two-point trail behind the Tories in current polls the party looks set to lose 170 councillors, according to Prof Curtice. The analysis presumed little change in the Liberal Democrat and UK Independence Party vote.
Even if the party draws level with the Conservatives in national polling they are expected to lose 120 councillors, while dropping to four points behind would see a loss of 220 Labour councillors.
Losing 170 seats would be worse than any Labour performances in opposition since 1982, when the party lost 225 seats. Labour could also lose control of key councils including Cannock Chase, Crawley, Redditch, Rossendale and Southampton.
Prof Curtice said that Mr Corbyn’s “misfortune” was that the council seats up for election this year were last contested in 2012, when Labour was enjoying a surge in support after George Osborne’s “omnishambles” Budget.
He added: “Given that Labour are currently still behind in the polls, albeit less than a few weeks ago, it seems almost inevitable that Labour will lose council seats on May 5th.
“Such an outcome will simply confirm that as yet at least, Mr Corbyn has yet to find a formula that makes Labour look as though it could return to power.”
Major parties in opposition have on average gained 434 council seats at local elections since 1974, when the current boundaries were introduced.
New leaders also tend to make gains after taking over, with Labour under Michael Foot – who was overseeing a deeply divided party – winning 988 council seats in 1981, his first year in the role.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Julio Cruz posted:

As the Lib Dems have dropped off a cliff in every single poll since the last election this seems like a pretty big flaw.

In May 2012, when these council seats were last contested, the Lib Dems were on 7%: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27330849
In the most recent polls listed on the Britain Elects twitter feed, the Lib Dems are on 6% (Ipsos Mori), 7% (ICM, online), 7% (ICM, phone), and 8% (ComRes)

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

OwlFancier posted:

Isn't the point of it that it directly follows the terrible 2012 budget?
This year's budget was even more of a PR disaster for the Tories. On top of that, they've got a vicious internal split over the EU referendum, the doctor's strike, the forced academisation scandal, and the steel industry going belly up.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
I too have a green garden waste bin, but I have to pay the council an extra £32 per year to collect it.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
A final Welsh poll before the Assembly elections: http://blogs.cardiff.ac.uk/electionsinwales/2016/04/25/the-new-welsh-political-barometer-poll-4/
Constituency
Labour: 33% (-2)
Plaid Cymru: 21% (no change)
Conservatives: 19% (no change)
UKIP: 15% (-2)
Liberal Democrats: 8% (+2)
Others: 3% (no change)

List
Labour: 29% (-2)
Plaid Cymru: 22% (+2)
Conservatives: 19 (-1)
UKIP: 15% (-1)
Liberal Democrats: 8% (+3)
Greens: 4% (no change)
Others: 4% (+1)

Expected seats
Labour: 28 seats (26 constituency seats + 2 list seats)
Plaid Cymru: 13 seats (7 constituency seats + 6 list seats)
Conservatives: 10 seats (5 constituency seats + 5 list seats)
UKIP: 7 seats (7 list seats)
Liberal Democrats: 2 seats (2 constituency seats)

quote:

Labour thus remain some way ahead of the field. But they must be somewhat concerned that support has edged downwards further: 33% on the constituency vote is Labour’s lowest level in any Welsh poll since before the 2010 general election. A similar YouGov poll conducted in late April 2011 put Labour on 45% for the constituency vote and 41% for the list vote. So Labour are now twelve percentage points lower, on both ballots, than they were at this stage in the electoral cycle before the last Assembly election. Were Labour’s election performance this year to fall some way below their poll rating – which it has normally done in Wales in recent years – then Labour could be under threat of achieving their worst ever vote share in a National Assembly election.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Puntification posted:

Who are the people who think Cameron's capable?

Slightly more than half the adult population of the country, apparently.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Telegraph Writer Has Opinion: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/04/26/junior-doctors-cannot-dictate-health-policy/

quote:

Who governs? That question, first posed by Sir Edward Heath in 1974, defined politics for the following decade, as successive governments struggled with trade unions whose ability to disrupt public services and strategic industries gave them clout to rival that of elected politicians. It was answered, decisively and to the benefit of the whole country, by Margaret Thatcher.
Sadly, that question has been raised once again by the British Medical Association and the all-out strike by junior doctors it has called. The union wants those doctors to withhold all care for patients today and tomorrow, even those needing emergency care. Its industrial action has already harmed patients: tens of thousands of planned operations have been cancelled, causing distress and pain. We can only pray that this is the worst harm caused by the BMA’s militancy.
Doctors are striking over the new employment contract that Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary, believes is necessary to improve NHS provision at weekends. That contract offers a 13 per cent increase in basic pay and, thanks to greater employer pension contributions, would mean the Government spending more compensating junior doctors than it does now. Yet the BMA walked out of talks with NHS employers because it wanted doctors to be paid even more to work on Saturdays.
The question of governance arises because the BMA appears to believe that doctors should have a veto on decisions about the management of the NHS. Of course, the views of employees matter, but such decisions must rest with politicians elected by and accountable to voters – and not with trade unions who exist to promote the interests of their members, not serve the wider public interest.
Whatever the merits of Mr Hunt’s policies, he speaks for a government elected with a clear majority on a manifesto commitment to move the NHS to a full seven-day service. That point should be taken more seriously, not only by the BMA but also by the man who leads that Government: David Cameron should be doing more to support his health secretary in this dispute.
In our democracy, different people have different roles to play. Politicians should decide how public services are run, then answer for their decisions. Public servants should provide those services. It is not the job of doctors to dictate health policy; their job is to treat patients. Junior doctors should ignore the BMA and its political ambitions and go to work today as normal.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Saith posted:

I'm voting Remain either way. At the end of the day, Westminster already refuses to even discuss bringing Welsh funding up to parity with Scotland, and Wales actually gets more money from EU grants than we pay into them, and I don't trust the Tories to compensate us for the loss. We also make a good chunk of our income from EU tourism (especially now with the steel industry in such a state), and rely even more heavily on EU doctors, nurses and carers than England does.
FYI, it's the Scottish government rather than Westminster that insists on keeping Wales underfunded relative to Scotland; changing that would mean you'd have to replace the Barnett formula with a needs-based assessment, which would see Scotland's funding fall (and that allocated to Wales/NI/northern England increase).

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Kind of weird that it's not on the print edition, because it's front and centre on the Times' website at the moment:

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Tigey posted:

I wonder how long the press have known about this Naz Shah business. I might be being a bit :tinfoil:, but it seems pretty convenient that now that Gideon, Hunt and others are actually starting to feel the heat, this has cropped up to helpfully deflect attention onto Labour.
It was Paul Staines that broke the story rather than the press per se.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Naz Shah's Labour membership has been suspended: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/27/naz-shah-suspended-labour-party-antisemitism-row

quote:

Naz Shah, the Bradford West MP accused of antisemitism, has been suspended from the Labour party “by mutual agreement” after David Cameron said it was “extraordinary” that someone who appeared to have suggested Israelis should be deported to the US continued to hold the Labour whip.

Jeremy Corbyn had earlier said he would not suspend the MP, who then issued a “heartfelt apology” in the House of Commons.

His aides defended her, saying the comments were antisemitic but the MP had “shocked herself” and did not mean what she said, so she could not be described as antisemitic.

But little more than two hours later, Labour announced that Shah had been suspended “by mutual agreement” while claims against her were investigated by Labour’s national executive committee.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

quote:

He also said "to think of antisemitism and racism as exactly the same thing" was "over the top."
gj ken, v smooth

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Guavanaut posted:

I approve of what he did. If any minor criticism of Israel is enough to get you called an anti-semite now you might as well go full tilt and accuse them all of being Hitler until moderate criticism of Israel looks reasonable by comparison.
"Racism is OK as long as it's racism that I consider politically useful"

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
trainwreck alert: livingstone is apparently being interviewed on newsnight tonight.

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LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Andy Burnham being pretty good on Hillsborough, which isn't unexpected.

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