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Talmonis posted:What happens when the system malfunctions, and you're not only created on the other side, but the original is not destroyed? Who's the real "you" then? The original? If so, what of the new "you?" Does it have any rights? Ah, the Thomas Riker conundrum. Personally, I would not go through the transporter, because I feel like "I" would die and then WampaLord 2.0 would go on to get to live my life, so that sucks for me. Oh dear me posted:What matters about my ceasing to be? The bereavement of my loved ones, the loss of such insight as I have gained over the course of my life, and the loss of opportunities for such a person in the future. None of those things apply if someone else so like me springs into being at the same time. What a goony loving answer. "What matters if I cease to be?" Uh, you're dead, idiot.
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GlyphGryph posted:If you consider death to be a discontinuation in consciousness, hell, I arguably die every single night and am born anew every morning. That doesn't seem to be that big a deal. Deaths that we (or at least someone very much like us) get to live through really aren't so bad. No, this is a really dumb argument because when you go to sleep you aren't broken apart molecule by molecule like you would be in the hypothetical transporter. And it's that "or at least someone very much like us" part that concerns me. If I can guarantee that my consciousness lives on through the transporter, then no worries, but from the way you've described it, I will die.
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GlyphGryph posted:So? Is this like when people want to be buried rather than cremated because of some weird attachment to their atoms? My consciousness is systemic, not atomic, which is a good things considering that many of those atoms end up getting replaced sooner or later. Braindead doesn't seem any better than atomized dead to me, assuming I recover completely from both of them. So? That's a large difference. When I go to sleep, my last thoughts are "Well, time for bed." When I'm transported my last (and final) thoughts are "Oh my God, I'm being ripped apart atom by atom." You're missing the part where you're actively dying by being disassembled. GlyphGryph posted:The duplicate is me for every value of "me" that actually matters (to me). The you that's going to respond to this post is different from the you that originally posted in the thread in ways that do not, presumably, matter to you. No, of course I don't object to anesthesia because being knocked out by drugs isn't the same as being killed by dissolution of atoms. Oh dear me posted:I was saying that what matters about being dead is a) bereavement b) loss of experience c) loss of opportunity. So far you've not added anything to this but a different word. If you think there's something extra in my consciousness that would be lost, for example, or special about this material conglomeration that changes all the time, you need to argue for it, I think. Your consciousness would die and cease to be, there would just be a brand new clone of you with their own consciousness in your place. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Apr 5, 2016 |
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wateroverfire posted:I think we continually get hung up on concepts when we talk about this stuff. No, but, don't you see, when you sleep, you lose stream of consciousness, so like we're all already dead maaaaan. 
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Control Volume posted:Addendum: what if none of this happens and its just your boss telling you to teleport to mars for a seminar or you'll be looking for a new job "Longer than you think, Dad!"
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SHISHKABOB posted:No I mean like a at the same time kind of death. Like omg he got the killing blow, but wait hidden poisoned dagger! You look into your eyes and realize what fools you were, imagine the power you might have had working together, and die. I've poisoned your wine! For the good of the land. I've poisoned yours as well. Nooooooooooo!
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I know. This thread has shown me that some goons are so smugly detached from reality that they would be perfectly happy getting killed in the name of progress.
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Control Volume posted:I can say, definitively, I'd be morally okay with 10 seconds of clone torture of myself Someone should cross post this to the "create a new genre of porn" gbs thread.
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Apr 11, 2016 17:50
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Berk Berkly posted:We've already been over this. Your body already recycles itself constantly through life. Yes, I too see no difference between the gradual recycling of my body's cells and total, instantaneous destruction of everything that I am.
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Apr 11, 2016 19:13
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Shbobdb posted:How do you feel about abortion, masturbation and menstruation? Are those murder? Ah, but what if you teleport the sperm at the moment of orgasm into the waiting egg of a woman? Is the child that results from that truly your own? 
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Shao821 posted:So what exactly is the difference between dreamless sleep and death anyway? You are off for around 8 hours a day. The fact is that we are so comfortable with it that it doesn't matter that I'm currently executing my 10,900th version (abouts) of "myself" that if you were to pick a random one of those 10,900 you wouldn't really be able to make a connection between them. I don't even remember most of those versions to any significant detail. If someone makes a loud noise or shakes you hard enough, you will wake up from sleep, but not from death.
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