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PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
So, on a scale from completely to utterly, how much of this game is Captain Janeway's fault?

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PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
So, funny story.

They were going to kill Harry Kim. Garrett Wong was sick of the show (for understandable reasons) and the writers hated his character, so he was scripted to die.

And then E! put out a magazine naming him one of the 20 sexiest bachelors of the year.



So the writers gave him slightly less terrible lines and let him actually do things on occasion. Like get poked in the neck by Species 8472 and spend like, half of that season unconscious.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

berryjon posted:

Mateo and I actually talked about that off-camera. It's why we make joke about Harry, but we never insult him - unlike everyone else.

Garrett Wong, Tim Russ, and Kate Mulgrew I honestly respect.

We know Garrett's story, but Tim was a hardcore Trekkie who got the chance to live his dream and play a Vulcan--and what he got was Tuvok. He had arguments with the writing staff nearly every episode trying to keep Tuvok's character consistent and Vulcan, and he did a remarkable job getting writers who couldn't have consistently portrayed a cardboard box as a cardboard box to at least keep Tuvok kinda-sorta consistent from episode to episode.

Kate Mulgrew gave up that fight at the end of Season 1 and decided that Janeway was secretly an undiagnosed, unmedicated bipolar depressive. IIRC she tried to use whether or not Janeway had coffee or not at the start of an episode as an indicator of whether the episode would feature Saneway or Crazy Jane.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

berryjon posted:

Gotta add Robert Picardo and Jeri Ryan to that list.

I didn't mean to leave them off of it. I mean, most of Voyager's watchable episodes were because of either the Doctor, Seven of Nine, or both of them together.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
One good writer, a few who could occasionally remember that characters are supposed to be the same from episode to episode, and the rest couldn't have written a consistent script for an immobile pile of actual lumber.

PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Apr 26, 2016

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Voyager's a 'peaks and valleys' show. It's all over the place and sometimes peaks are really good. But the valleys occasionally rival the Marianas trench.


Or, to put it in a different but equally telling way: they had an episode with The Rock at practically the height of his film career and they cocked it up!

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
It's all because Berman and Braga are idiots and should never be allowed anywhere near a script. Also one of them loves time travel plots and shoehorns them in even when they're wholly inappropriate. See also: Star Trek Enterprise.

Probably Braga, since he was the one responsible for Threshold.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Anything in the novels is considered alternate universe / idea fodder as far as the franchise is concerned. The Borg have other possible origins, including V'Ger, which is the angle STO took for them. One of the monster enemies that can show up was basically a huge V'Ger copy without the cloud.

Which is perfectly fine, because if it wasn't then sometime after Picard got the Enterprise E, he met the X-Men and together they fought a race of space dragonmen who forcibly mutated a small fraction of the population of an entire planet into mutant solar-powered energy-shooting penis monsters that they intended to use as weapons even though ten seconds with a transporter is pretty well guaranteed to kill every single x-man except possibly Nightcrawler.

I did a lets read of that book in one thread or another.

PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Apr 28, 2016

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Klaus88 posted:

A link to this magnificent train wreck, please? :suspense:

Fortunately, it got archived along with my Let's Play Star Trek Online LP from a few years ago. The Let's Read is down near the bottom, but here's a direct link to Part 1

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PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Doctor, you shouldn't break HIPAA like that just to deliver a sick burn.

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