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‘Ghost in the Shell’ Producers Reportedly Tested Visual Effects That Would Make Scarlett Johansson, White Actors Appear Asian http://screencrush.com/ghost-in-the-shell-whitewashing-scarlett-johnasson-vfx/ According to multiple independent sources close to the project, Paramount and DreamWorks commissioned visual effects tests that would’ve altered Scarlett Johansson in post-production to “shift her ethnicity” and make the Caucasian actress appear more Asian in the film. It’s the latest, and most extreme, case of “beauty work,” the new trend in Hollywood to discreetly use visual effects to tweak an actor’s appearance, making them thinner, younger or stronger. The Ghost in the Shell tests were conducted by Lola VFX, the same company that aged up (and down) Brad Pitt in The Curious Case of Benjamin Button and is considered the industry leader in so-called beauty work. Though the tests were requested by the production team, once they were developed and reviewed, the idea was rejected “immediately,” says an insider.
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Corek posted:‘Ghost in the Shell’ Producers Reportedly Tested Visual Effects That Would Make Scarlett Johansson, White Actors Appear Asian Insane, however I do hope they use some visual trickery to make her look less human and more "uncanny valley". In the manga they even point out that her cyborg body is designed to look like a cheap, off-brand model, and not a top-of-the-line military model. I want them to go all-in on her and other cyborgs being weird and creepy as hell. Even small things like that one scene in Stand Alone Complex where she waves her fingers in a inhumanely accurate and precise way to check if the hand works properly. Have them go through weird booting sequence whenever they wake up in the morning. Show them using eye drops since the cyborg bodies aren't equipped to clean the eyeballs/cameras. Hell, I would watch a movie based on the chapter in the manga where they show off how a civilian cyborg is made, complete with detailed explanations on what a cyborg is and isn't capable off doing. Hell, include the villain using a model that's so old it can't emote properly so he doesn't even bother opening his mouth when speaking. Just go nuts with the premise! Renoistic fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 19:09
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Corek posted:‘Ghost in the Shell’ Producers Reportedly Tested Visual Effects That Would Make Scarlett Johansson, White Actors Appear Asian Hollywood was a mistake
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Renoistic posted:Insane, however I do hope they use some visual trickery to make her look less human and more "uncanny valley". In the manga they even point out that her cyborg body is designed to look like a cheap, off-brand model, and not a top-of-the-line military model. that all sounds insanely cool, I'm sure none of it will be implemented into what might just be some dumbed down robot flick. I lost faith in poo poo like this since "I, Robot" which was a gloriously awful bastardization of the source material. The "asianization" tech should tell you all you need to know about how loving stupid the people behind this project are. Why not just eventually put someone in blackface for Black Panther, jesus
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Rabelais D posted:Has the OP forgotten about Ghost in the Shell: Innocence, which is a great combination of eastern philosophy + anime noir? It's actually a better film than the original in certain respects, although perhaps not in terms of a cohesive narrative.. Added it, wasn't the best film. I watched it a few times, it had some moments. Corek posted:‘Ghost in the Shell’ Producers Reportedly Tested Visual Effects That Would Make Scarlett Johansson, White Actors Appear Asian There is no chance of this backfiring.
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Tenzarin posted:Funimation licensed it for North America and pretty sure its just his style in a adult swim friendly show. the cover of the DVD is a naked 5 year old in a sexually suggestive position. i even have a high tolerance for most stuff like that in anime/don't think anime is as bad in that way as some people think , but it looks really loving bad
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Corek posted:‘Ghost in the Shell’ Producers Reportedly Tested Visual Effects That Would Make Scarlett Johansson, White Actors Appear Asian This is like a bad onion article. Jesus.
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icantfindaname posted:the cover of the DVD is a naked 5 year old in a sexually suggestive position. i even have a high tolerance for most stuff like that in anime/don't think anime is as bad in that way as some people think , but it looks really loving bad It was in published in Newtype Ace magazine. Looks like how sexualized appleseed/GITS in the 80s to me. Why bring it up anyway? How did you even know about it? It makes me think about you.
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Tenzarin posted:It was in published in Newtype Ace magazine. Looks like how sexualized appleseed/GITS in the 80s to me. Perhaps they looked up the author's other works after someone posted to ask if it was true that the author mostly draws porn now.
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According to the Wikipedia article Shirow only provided the concept for that one. He didn't write or draw it.
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Kinda thought Shirow was an original otaku. Like, he had palettes of food in one big room in his high-rise, then he had a bedroom full of easels, sketchbooks, fanmail both angry and angering and a big mattress with a VR helm resting on the pillow. Maybe a kitchenette/bathroom. IIRC, he communicated to Oshii mostly through emails, storyboards, other key input. If only we could pair those two up again with the budget this one is obviously getting...loving hell we'd have the first good adult cartoon in the last decade. Also, Snow White and the Huntsman deserves a mention here because it's Hollywood at its worst. They have some world-famous, time-tested award-winning actors who play dwarves and then Bad Ellen Page gets all of the dialogue. Also they straight up ripped off the Deer God scene in Princess Mononoke. It's a hard movie to watch. Try it if you don't believe me.
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phasmid posted:Also, Snow White and the Huntsman deserves a mention here because it's Hollywood at its worst. They have some world-famous, time-tested award-winning actors who play dwarves and then Bad Ellen Page gets all of the dialogue. Also they straight up ripped off the Deer God scene in Princess Mononoke. It's a hard movie to watch. Try it if you don't believe me. True story: Some marketing interns dropped off several passes to "The Huntsman," which is apparently another movie in the SnowWhitiverse they're doing, to our retail store's manager, saying "give them out to your customers or have a contest! Be sure to hashtag "The Huntsman." They cannot give them away. They had a contest that was a tweet of, in its entirety, "say #TheHuntsman for free advance screening passes" that has no retweets, favs or comments. The passes are still on the boss's desk.
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icantfindaname posted:the cover of the DVD is a naked 5 year old in a sexually suggestive position. i even have a high tolerance for most stuff like that in anime/don't think anime is as bad in that way as some people think , but it looks really loving bad Thanks for the update Aatrek.
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Everblight posted:True story: Some marketing interns dropped off several passes to "The Huntsman," which is apparently another movie in the SnowWhitiverse they're doing, to our retail store's manager, saying "give them out to your customers or have a contest! Be sure to hashtag "The Huntsman." Good. Hopefully this will be the norm and the execs will take the hint.
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Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence is actually awesome and you should see it if you haven't. As for this remake, I have no complaints with the cast, Juliette Binoche and Takeshi Kitano are great additions. I won't give up hope completely until we see the trailer.
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Whizbang posted:Thanks for the update Aatrek. Even I don't like Star Trek
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Innocence was also cool because it had a crazy villain and an army of Motokos. Top that, motherfucker. Also, it continues the great ongoing joke that Batou keeps the arsenal of a small country in the trunk of his car (which he uses to kill a whole bar full of Yakuza men and a weird borg brainslave with a metal claw on his hand.)
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Everblight posted:True story: Some marketing interns dropped off several passes to "The Huntsman," which is apparently another movie in the SnowWhitiverse they're doing, to our retail store's manager, saying "give them out to your customers or have a contest! Be sure to hashtag "The Huntsman." That's a different director. The Rupert Sanders Snow White film is an extremely underrated tribute to 1980s fantasy - along the lines of The Neverending Story, Excalibur, Willow, and so-on.
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Hey guys lets listen to what a rainbow haired mediocre screenwriter thinks of this casting Also you guys just dont GET the industry. Jeeze why couldn't you just grow up an entitled privileged little Hollywood brat son of a movie director like me. Ugh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=747cvo8Lkjw
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what a piece of poo poo, you can't be mad at this horrible thing because that's just the way things are, thanks for explaining pal
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That's a different director. It had some great enchanted forests, if that's what you look for in a movie, and I loved how they went full sword-and-shield fantasy battle for the climax. Cool dwarves too.
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phasmid posted:Kinda thought Shirow was an original otaku. Like, he had palettes of food in one big room in his high-rise, then he had a bedroom full of easels, sketchbooks, fanmail both angry and angering and a big mattress with a VR helm resting on the pillow. Maybe a kitchenette/bathroom. IIRC, he communicated to Oshii mostly through emails, storyboards, other key input. Kristen Stewart's and Ellen Page's personas, acting styles, and physical appearances are nothing alike. I guess they're both brunettes? Edit: Also my opinion of Max Landis is directly proportional to how blatantly annoying he is. He's like real life Leto's Joker. porfiria fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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porfiria posted:Kristen Stewart's and Ellen Page's personas, acting styles, and physical appearances are nothing alike. I guess they're both brunettes? Max Landis has actually confirmed that Jesse Eisenburgs Lex Luthor is basically an impression of him. This explains a lot.
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porfiria posted:Kristen Stewart's and Ellen Page's personas, acting styles, and physical appearances are nothing alike. I guess they're both brunettes? Sorry my one-off offended you. I would add that Kristen Stewart does not have a persona, because that implies having a personality at all. But thank you for pointing out this revelation in a thread about cyborgs.
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Corek posted:‘Ghost in the Shell’ Producers Reportedly Tested Visual Effects That Would Make Scarlett Johansson, White Actors Appear Asian loving-a, this is so lovely and frustrating to read. This is god drat Hollywood, they can absolutely find talented Japanese actors and actresses, they exist. The fact that Paramount and DreamWorks refuses to even try is undeniable proof of how racist Hollywood is.
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For those who were wondering what the screen test looked like, I found a picture. But seriously, I saw this controversy coming and I can't even pretend I'm outraged. I'm generally resigned that this will keep coming for years if not decades because Hollywood. I'm only annoyed at Max Landis defending it because people apparently care about his opinion.
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Echo Chamber posted:For those who were wondering what the screen test looked like, I found a picture. lmao
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Echo Chamber posted:I'm only annoyed at Max Landis defending it Except he didn't defend it, he said it was the result of a broken system and that blaming individuals involved in the movie's production and not its financing is pointless.
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phasmid posted:Sorry my one-off offended you. I would add that Kristen Stewart does not have a persona, because that implies having a personality at all. But thank you for pointing out this revelation in a thread about cyborgs. She's a vapid bitch. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Pirate Jet posted:Except he didn't defend it, he said it was the result of a broken system and that blaming individuals involved in the movie's production and not its financing is pointless. He's also an obnoxious POS and his video title makes it clear that he thinks people shouldn't be mad
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I dont know about any of this, just wanted to say GITS is a top tier "actually good show with an embarrassingly dressed heroine", shame the series drops in quality once she starts wearing a uniform. They did an entire episode of robot spiders with child voices arguing robot philosophy, with the bare minimum of action framing around it, which was cool. Doubt it was hard to sell "in this episode our animators take a break because none of the robots have mouths" to the producers 
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Pirate Jet posted:Except he didn't defend it, he said it was the result of a broken system and that blaming individuals involved in the movie's production and not its financing is pointless. Individuals involved in the production are also perpetuating the problem though. You cannot possibly think its fair to absolve the people making a profit from said financiers youre so willing to blame for the broken system. Actors and plenty of other creatives are greedy as poo poo too. Nobody above the line in this production is a starving artist. AccountSupervisor fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Neurolimal posted:Doubt it was hard to sell "in this episode our animators take a break because none of the robots have mouths" to the producers I was wondering if they would keep true to this, some times there's entire conversations in the shows/movies and they never move their mouths. The major also almost never blinks in the 1995 movie, its really creepy. I guess cyborg bodies don't have a reason too.
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Neurolimal posted:They did an entire episode of robot spiders with child voices arguing robot philosophy, with the bare minimum of action framing around it, which was cool. That was one of the best episodes tho!
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I said come in! posted:That was one of the best episodes tho! I wasn't being sarcastic when I said it was cool! Honest!
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Tenzarin posted:The major also almost never blinks in the 1995 movie, its really creepy. I guess cyborg bodies don't have a reason too. Now that you mention it, there are several scenes where people are implied cyborgs. The weird guy getting off the helicopter, the guy whose fingers split into twenty-five tiny fingers when he's riding in the car. They didn't seem to blink either, they were wide-eyed while other characters blinked and did close their eyes when they sighed or groaned and whatnot. Maybe that was intentional. I was never conscious of it, but you saying it makes it seem likely. I forget if the Major closes her eyes when she sleeps. Somebody already mentioned cyborgs having to use eyedrops since they hadn't perfected synthetic tear ducts. That must've been in SAC 1 or 2nd, don't remember it from the movies.
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phasmid posted:Somebody already mentioned cyborgs having to use eyedrops since they hadn't perfected synthetic tear ducts. That must've been in SAC 1 or 2nd, don't remember it from the movies. I might have been unclear, but that was just something I made up. I'm a sucker for stories where cyborgs aren't just super strong humans and there actually are drawbacks to it. EDIT: That reminds me of one scene in the show where a boy refuses to undergo 'cyborg procedure' unless they prove to him he'll be able to fold paper cranes afterwards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgico_Psbgk Renoistic fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Renoistic posted:I might have been unclear, but that was just something I made up. I'm a sucker for stories where cyborgs aren't just super strong humans and there actually are drawbacks to it. Ahh, okay. It sounds legit enough to be in the show. Yeah, Section 9s don't really have a great life. Their bodies are government property, so if they decide to renege on their forever-contracts the company basically just goes "fine, you're fired. Peace" and presumably throws your brain and spinal column into a dumpster for the rats to eat. They also can't swim or go very long without a regular tune-up. The articles I've skimmed about this movie are pretty annoying because its obvious some of the folks writing them haven't got a clue about the story. One of the first articles that came up on google was "Scarlett Johanssen plays a half-human half-cyborg hybrid" or some poo poo like that. Triple redundancy on paragraph one. Please reconsider, Hollywood. Just give Oshii the money and let him make another cartoon!
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