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Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!

grack posted:

You didn't need to point them out.
But the priiize

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MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

SP I can't believe you gave command of the 2nd squab to Jayden. The gently caress man. That's Garrus' job and you know it.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Kurieg posted:

And apparently they're both e cups.
E is for ergonomic.

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





i think you can fandangle a job for everyone in the last section except for like moridin and thane so it's good jason got to do a thing on a mission where the spotlight moves a bit onto the supporting cast, heaven knows he needs it

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!
Nah, there's a job for Mordin if you want to guarantee him surviving.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

MA-Horus posted:

SP I can't believe you gave command of the 2nd squab to Jayden. The gently caress man. That's Garrus' job and you know it.

I give it to Jacob because I may decide to bring Garrus with me on that part of the suicide mission. LOL at bringing Jacob anywhere if you don't absolutely need to.

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





grack posted:

Nah, there's a job for Mordin if you want to guarantee him surviving.

i guess you can make-pretend that only moridin, the medical savant with elite covert ops experience, can safely lead out a bunch of sick weak sitting ducks but anyone can do it, even the other hold-the-line scrubs like tali or jack

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

hard counter posted:

i guess you can make-pretend that only moridin, the medical savant with elite covert ops experience, can safely lead out a bunch of sick weak sitting ducks but anyone can do it, even the other hold-the-line scrubs like tali or jack

If you don't send Mordin he has a fair chance of dying in the final portion of the mission.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

monster on a stick posted:

I give it to Jacob because I may decide to bring Garrus with me on that part of the suicide mission. LOL at bringing Jacob anywhere if you don't absolutely need to.

I see your logic. I would usually bring Mordin and Samara for the whole mission for my armor/shieldbreakers while I ping-pong'd the room.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

MA-Horus posted:

SP I can't believe you gave command of the 2nd squab to Jayden. The gently caress man. That's Garrus' job and you know it.
Garrus gets distraction crew duty for the bubble part.

hard counter posted:

i guess you can make-pretend that only moridin, the medical savant with elite covert ops experience, can safely lead out a bunch of sick weak sitting ducks but anyone can do it, even the other hold-the-line scrubs like tali or jack
That was my logic the first time I did it, and as such I didn't lose him holding the line. He's almost guaranteed to bite it otherwise. Thane is the only one who doesn't have a clear "he should really do this" job and he does ok holding the line as long as your heavy hitters are there. IIRC in our playthrough he's the one saying "we're doing ok but could you please hurry it up" line during the final fight.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

SubponticatePoster posted:

That was my logic the first time I did it, and as such I didn't lose him holding the line. He's almost guaranteed to bite it otherwise. Thane is the only one who doesn't have a clear "he should really do this" job and he does ok holding the line as long as your heavy hitters are there. IIRC in our playthrough he's the one saying "we're doing ok but could you please hurry it up" line during the final fight.

There's apparently a fixed order to this, I always got Thane unless he came to the final fight; then Jack said "we need more body bags."

Here is Grunt's which is awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=falHLWAJ43I

Inferior
Oct 19, 2012

The worst thing about the Suicide Mission is that you can get everyone out alive. It's built up as almost certain death, but turns into just another day at the office for Shepherd and the Gang. It would be more interesting, I think, if you always lost some people along the way, with your choices defining who and how many.

ME2's recurring sin is offering get out clauses to difficult decisions. Miranda or Jack? Tali or Legion? The correct answer is always 'both', which means there isn't a choice at all. Who does what in the Suicide Mission? Well, here's how to keep everyone alive, so that's the path you follow unless you really want to see your dudes get fried.

This is also the first episode in which I actually played the drinking game and now my head hurts.

Paused
Oct 24, 2010

Inferior posted:

The worst thing about the Suicide Mission is that you can get everyone out alive. It's built up as almost certain death, but turns into just another day at the office for Shepherd and the Gang. It would be more interesting, I think, if you always lost some people along the way, with your choices defining who and how many.

I definitely see your point, but real life provides lots of damned if you do, damned if you don't moments. When you're relaxing it's nice to be able to end up a the big goddamn hero who fixes everything despite impossible odds.

Makes me wonder how many players imported their first playthrough Shepard from ME1 to 2 to 3; where 'non perfect' results are almost guaranteed. I'd assume rightly or wrongly the majority of players who imported previous game saves would import repeat playthroughs where everything went a-ok.

Quick edit; If your following the 'Deus EX; Human revolution' thread, it provides a decent example of having your cake and eating it on the issue. Last weeks update provided the 'big moral choice' bit of the DLC... and there is third option where everyone wins, but chances are you're never going to figure it out first playthrough. That first time, chances are, you're going to have to pick the lesser of two evils, and promptly feel bad for it afterwards. On the next playthrough, you're probably going to find the the ting and save everyone, and feel like a badass. Every playthrough after that though in the back of your mind you're going to recall in the back of your mind at least that impossible choice and think what you'd do if that third choice wasn't there.

Paused fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jul 11, 2017

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

Inferior posted:

The worst thing about the Suicide Mission is that you can get everyone out alive. It's built up as almost certain death, but turns into just another day at the office for Shepherd and the Gang. It would be more interesting, I think, if you always lost some people along the way, with your choices defining who and how many.

ME2's recurring sin is offering get out clauses to difficult decisions. Miranda or Jack? Tali or Legion? The correct answer is always 'both', which means there isn't a choice at all. Who does what in the Suicide Mission? Well, here's how to keep everyone alive, so that's the path you follow unless you really want to see your dudes get fried.

This is also the first episode in which I actually played the drinking game and now my head hurts.

You still had to put in the work to get the "best ending" though. Making consistent Paragon or Renegade decisions to hit the threshold to resolve the loyalty checks, doing all the scanning and talking to your crew to get the upgrades to the Normandy so no one dies in the initial run to the Collector Base, and being perceptive enough about your crew's strengths and weaknesses to make the right decision on who does what (how many people sent Thane to the vents?).

If you didn't put in the work, then it's on you when people start dying.

Then again, you are given a choice on how well the Suicide Mission goes. You can read the guide and feel like a badass when everyone pulls it off, or you can make the decision to send Thane into the vents or have Miranda handle the bubble so things go FUBAR.

SgtSteel91 fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jul 11, 2017

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?
Who can survive the vents? I never figured that out.

I also didn't have any of the DLC except zaeed, so I couldnt use Kasumi

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

zxqv8 posted:

Who can survive the vents? I never figured that out.

I also didn't have any of the DLC except zaeed, so I couldnt use Kasumi

"Tech experts", so Tali (because Quarians are all master engineers), Legion (because it's a robot), and Kasumi (because... well she's a thief and good at bypassing security systems so that makes her a tech expert I guess.)

Tech expertise is more important than being able to survive the vents, which aren't really vents anyway because they are tall enough to walk in.

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

zxqv8 posted:

Who can survive the vents? I never figured that out.

I also didn't have any of the DLC except zaeed, so I couldnt use Kasumi

Vents: Tech specialists - Tali, Legion, Kasumi

Squad Leaders: Field command experience - Miranda, Jacob, Garrus

Biotics: - Jack, Samara/Morinth

Caring for Crewmembers: Mordin

"Hold the Line": Too goddamned stubborn to die - Grunt, Zaeed, Garrus

Edit: VVVVVV Oddly enough, if Mordin is loyal and you don't send him back with the crew, the only way to guarantee he survives is to take him along to kill the final boss. He's actually a really good choice, too since he can break down armour.

grack fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jul 11, 2017

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

All of you people who think moridin belongs on the backlines instead of killing the final boss while shepard sits back and watches are wrong

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





grack posted:

If you don't send Mordin he has a fair chance of dying in the final portion of the mission.

it's not really so much a chance of probability as it is finding a way to maintain a high hold the line score just to be clear where each person you don't take to the final boss has to hold off collectors until you win, each person has his/her own score, and they all need to average above a certain threshold - there are lots of ways to do that like by putting kasumi/tali/jack/moridin on escort or by taking one or both from that list with you to the final boss since they all have weak scores or by having the zaeed dlc and then not taking any of grunt/garrus/zaeed to the babby since they all have very high scores, assuming everyone's loyal anyway

if you put moridin on escort but fail to keep a high hold the line score, there's a prioritized list of causalities who die when shepard checks in, a failshep could lose up 3 squad members if their average hold the line score is bad enough

the weird catch is that it's the average score of everyone holding the line, not a combined score, so even an ornery disloyal zaeed can solo that part if it comes to it :psyduck:

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





Inferior posted:

ME2's recurring sin is offering get out clauses to difficult decisions. Miranda or Jack? Tali or Legion? The correct answer is always 'both', which means there isn't a choice at all. Who does what in the Suicide Mission? Well, here's how to keep everyone alive, so that's the path you follow unless you really want to see your dudes get fried.

i'm sorta okay with it in the sense that you have to game the system in a way you might not know to do on your first time around, like on my first playthrough i just picked whatever paragon/renegade response i deemed appropriate so i didn't really have the score needed to perfectly defuse every argument - i did have to choose between miranda and jack

a lot of people also did lose at least one person on the final mission tho, either through ridiculous decisions in assigning key jobs or by unknowingly loving up the hold the line part by taking your space bro garrus with you to final boss or by figuring that you'd need someone as awesome as grunt to wrecking ball a way out for the crew

hard counter fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jul 11, 2017

Malah
May 18, 2015

I had to watch this episode twice because, according to the empty liquor bottle, I blacked the gently caress out after the first watch. Upon reflection, going to the liquor store across the street from a bar was a bad idea that night. (I obviously walked home.)

SubponticatePoster posted:

The Drink
Suicide Mission
Whiskey (as much as you can stand)
7Up

In a pint glass, add whiskey over ice. Top off with 7up.
:froggonk: Whiskey and I only best enjoy each other's company from a distance.

I think everyone surviving would feel more appropriate if there were still major injuries - Grunt scarring from a Praetorian slash, Tali falling ill from a suit puncture, Jacques losing an eye from blinking, etc. - so it more resembles the harried and costly escape when rescuing Garrus from Omega instead of a perfect getaway for everyone that anyone cares about.

Malah fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jul 12, 2017

spronkles
Jun 2, 2013
Just chiming in to say I love this LP. Will ME3 be done as well?

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

And Andromeda?

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?
I think I posted it way back near the start of the ME1 thread, but I'll be very sad if the ME3 thread isn't titled "300,000 Batarians died to bring us this LP" or something similar.

I'll still watch and enjoy it, I'll just have a vague sense of disappointment throughout.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

ME3 is a really good game (for the most part)

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





the gameplay is really top notch yeah, especially for 2012

enough time has also passed that whatever hiccups there are in the story can just be laughed off as they come up in an LP

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
The individual planet's story arcs in ME3 are fine. It's the overarching plot that's bad.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

spronkles posted:

Just chiming in to say I love this LP. Will ME3 be done as well?
Thanks! Yes. Taking a bit of a break between 2 and 3 but we've come this far and might as well finish the ride.

MA-Horus posted:

And Andromeda?
Possibly. They're still releasing patches for it to fix the worst of the clayface issues. I may do something in between that's shorter and not a Bioware game. What, I don't know yet.

Also:
Next update's ingredients:
Gin
Rum
Beer
Kahlua
Bailey's
Tonic
Coke
Don't worry, you're not mixing them into one drink

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!
But... we can if we wanted to, right?

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

grack posted:

But... we can if we wanted to, right?
Sure. If you do this I expect selfie from your hospital bed.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

grack posted:

But... we can if we wanted to, right?
As long as you keep it below 500ml of each.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

grack posted:

But... we can if we wanted to, right?

I question your devotion to Mass Effect.

auzdark
Aug 29, 2005

Mercy is the cry of the soul that stirred,
Mercy is the cry and it's never heard.
I just realised I've been watching this for over a year - I still haven't played this series at all (thanks to me travelling and only having a MacBook Air)

I think I'm thoroughly strapped in for the full ride.

geonetix
Mar 6, 2011


SubponticatePoster posted:

Possibly. They're still releasing patches for it to fix the worst of the clayface issues. I may do something in between that's shorter and not a Bioware game. What, I don't know yet.

I thought they quit doing updates on andromeda apart from multiplayer? Regardless, it's going to be less fun than ME2 or 3. Can't wait for 3, though!

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?
If you go for 3 on PC, I will happily reinstall and suffer through my RSI to help ya showcase some multiplayer rounds.

I was decent at it, and I'm pretty sure I'd still remember how to play. :legion:

Sylphosaurus
Sep 6, 2007
There are plenty of ways in which ME2 could have been improved but it still have, by far, one of the best endgames in an RPG. I just love how it manages to build up the atmosphere of assaulting a superior foe in it's own nest with your band of misfits, and if you play your cards right, get out like a big guddamn hero.

Few games have managed to pull that one off satisfactory.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

zxqv8 posted:

If you go for 3 on PC, I will happily reinstall and suffer through my RSI to help ya showcase some multiplayer rounds.

I was decent at it, and I'm pretty sure I'd still remember how to play. :legion:

we can probably get some PC Multiplayer going once we start getting through 3 and Andromeda.

Particularly since i've memhacked myself near infinite credits and have everything unlocked(but I don't have all the ultra-rare guns at rank 10... because the RNG is terrible and I can't cheat myself infinite time to click boxes)

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

SubponticatePoster posted:

Sure. If you do this I expect selfie from your hospital bed.

Excellent! I shall begin training immediately so that I will be fully prepared.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde
If y'all want to do some MP on PC knock yourselves out, but remember I'm playing on PS3 as my laptop won't run ME2, let alone 3 and record on top of it. If anyone in the thread has it on PS3 we can set up some games to record.

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Oberndorf
Oct 20, 2010



I am embarrassingly bad, with not a lot of resources or classes, but I'll give it a whack when the time comes.

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