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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

kikkelivelho posted:

I admit this looks bad but one persons mistakes shouldn't reflect poorly on the entire 300 person company.

They're all really cool people.

Professionals all of them.



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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Homer J. Fong posted:

star shitizen

We're calling this episode with Ben's website Ben-ghazi.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Junior Jr. posted:

Come on guys, I didn't really mean all those nasty comments about black people all those years ago, I'm working with a black guy in the Star Citizen staff team. See? That denies that I'm ever racist at all.


a hole-y ghost posted:

This black guy, see, that's the guy that's racist! See how many racists that guy hangs out with? See how many racists that N—ooh er um, that man hangs out with?

They didn't trot out "Money" until goons accused them of racism. He's been in every broadcast since.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Hey guys, let's not forget to search for word in his giant list of thousands of "jokes".

Here's one:

quote:

No, but If I was going to rape 12 year old girls I'd get a vasectomy... but I'm not so I won't so there. #14,547

Ha ha! Right?

Here, click the link, replace "hitler" with whatever cool word you like and read away! Post the funniest ones here!

http://trelane.hamtwoslices.net/index.php?query=hitler

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

a hole-y ghost posted:

"Jerk" is referring to himself, not masturbation. Those women are way too old for him to jerk off to.

Is that his "thing"? Is he getting off on negative attention? Is that why he linked his own site of horror?

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Junior Jr. posted:

When he's not busy thinking about molesting an underage japanese cartoon character, he happily wishes death upon fellow forum members.

Classic Lesnick! lol

quote:

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

kikkelivelho posted:

I'm not defending Ben's actions. I'm just annoyed by the fact that people are trying to link this to Chris and his company when no such connection exists.

The "GAME" was supposed to be released two times by now. And it's not. I have no faith in SC ever coming out.

What may be released is some kind of unskippable 3 hour CGI cutscene called squadron 42.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

parthenocarpy posted:

dose anyone know how long it takes to get a refund

Sorry for your loss. Goondolances.

D_Smart posted:



NO REFUNDS. gently caress OFF

As I predicted months back, now that they have rushed to release 2.0 this past December, they are now using that lovely release as excuse for refusing refunds (1, 2). This is also the precursor to their refusal to release financials as per the ToS which they modified to extend the time for giving refunds and financial accountability.

This despite the fact that, as of this writing, they have yet to deliver even 10% (others peg it at 6.5%) of what was promised in the funding goals and the feature list.


spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

a hole-y ghost posted:

That guy's first post in the thread talked about Derek Smart. That should tell you what you need to know about him.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

a hole-y ghost posted:

That guy's first post in the thread talked about Derek Smart. That should tell you what you need to know about him.

You should really watch what you say about DEREK SMART. It wouldn't be good if DEREK SMART knew people where talking about him. DEREK SMART gets upset about that kind of thing.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Tigey posted:

Agreed. The Star Citizen fan community is full of normal, well adjusted people and someone creepy, obssessive and stalkerlike is a terrible choice to represent their community:

True.





These posts, and many like them, pop up regularly on the CIG forums. And stay up.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

a hole-y ghost posted:

The worst type of electricity.

And we all know that rape is the inevitable consequence of piracy.

Here's Ben on the subject:

quote:

Raping and pillaging go under the same singular broad title. Lets face it, if you're going to pillage, you'll also rape. And vice-versa. #18,710

http://trelane.hamtwoslices.net/index.php?query=rape

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014


I wouldn't do it. CIG is now locking accounts and charging a 15 dollar "service" fee if they suspect you've been doing that stuff.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

a hole-y ghost posted:

Okay. I guess it actually makes sense to have Ben as a prominent member of the company now that I see those things.

You know nothing. NOTHING!

NSFW!!!!!!

https://www.reddit.com/r/WhatTheFanfic/comments/3qkgna/the_flight_of_the_javelin_star_citizens_fanfiction/

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

a hole-y ghost posted:

It would be funny if derek smart got all of CIG's money.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

In case any of you forget who hired Ben. And who runs CIG.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Skoll posted:

I like how he tries to play off being a horrible person as "I was just a kid". Nothing seems to have really changed.

Yeah, that defense is over at 18 I should think. Definitely by 25.

I mean, a freaking 17 year old can join the army and go to war.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

spacetoaster posted:

You should really watch what you say about DEREK SMART. It wouldn't be good if DEREK SMART knew people where talking about him. DEREK SMART gets upset about that kind of thing.





I did it! He's here!

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

8 track betamax posted:

Uhh what was that stimpire thing

Lord Binky posted:

that 4th stimpire thing is really cool.. it's like if someone mixed 1984 with the porn I watch

Here you go, brother. (this is goon art making fun of that really bad SC fanfic)






spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Ben Lesnick is the original community manager for Cloud Imperium Games. He is the face of the company, with more on-screen time on a weekly basis than anyone including Chris Roberts and his wife Sandi (who is also the head of marketing). He is personally responsible for creating one of the most toxic, cult-like, insular gaming communities on the planet. A community that aggressively attacks anyone who disagrees with their perspective that Star Citizen is the greatest game ever made. It doesn't matter if that person is new to the game, has been around for years and grown disillusioned, or a beloved web personality who is also a victim of cancer. Ben currently listed as a game developer, the director of community engagement, and also the director of starships. During his time at Cloud Imperium Games he has developed a reputation for habitually lying, particularly when doing so opens up the possibility of escaping controversy. We see the same behavior now as he tries to pass off a lie that is easily disproved. There is little reason to believe that the person he was in 2008 is significantly different from the person he is in 2016. His words certainly hold no bearing, except to validate that the statements are his.

This is a good post and true.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

dans posted:

in-jokes

quote:

I want to bang Misty. #17,033

I want to catch all the Pokemon fish, so Misty will notice me. "Oh, my", she'll say, "your Waillord is so big." Then, with the help of the glass-making guy, I'll give her my pink rod. #21,635

This is Misty.



She's 9

quote:

And they get to have sex with thirteen year olds all the time. Instead of once or twice a month. #21,244

Why don't you come with me, little girl, on a magic carpet ride? #18,734

Wow, Hades, do you try to pursue homosexual relations with children age 8-13 too? #7,673

Children have nudity... #9,621

Legions of children worldwide are having sex with 40 year old men. #14,178

It's funny, oh, you need the e-mail he sent me when I revealed that he posted to alt.sex.children #14,747

On the same day he posted a message to alt.sex.children commenting that a previously posted story "got me hotter than hell, post some more man!!!" #14,726

You guys are quite funny.

I also see you have matured quite a bit since those old days.

dans posted:

pee on aluminum foil and leave it in the sun to transmute pee into piss crystals

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Colonel Cancer posted:

I've never heard about Star Citizen aside from the jokes thrown at it in GBS but this is mindboggling. Its like someone looked at WH40K and thought nope, this isnt edgy enough for me.

You should scroll back a few of my posts and read the stimpire fanfic.

Oh, and this:

AlmightyPants posted:

I'm a pretty chill guy. It takes a lot to offend me. Ben Lesnick has actually managed to do it with his casual antisemitism.



And while I'm not easily offended, the Anti-Defamation League tends to be. Say hi to them for me, you loving bigot.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart/comments/4f72t7/data_mining_child_abuse_really/?sort=new

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

https://twitter.com/BenLesnickSays

In case you guys want a laugh.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

dans posted:

That was an automated thing, he didn't take a thousand pictures of Kerri-Lee, some of us nerds made a script to grab them and flood him with them.

lol, ok.





spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

dans posted:

It's not like he's a creeper any more than the average FYAD poster is a creeper. I've said tons of stupid poo poo I don't believe in FYAD that I wouldn't say anywhere else, it's like that. It's performance. It's us holding on to dumb poo poo we did twenty years ago, it's not going to be particularly good, we were children.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

AugmentedVision posted:

dans probably has a nicer life and a hotter girlfriend than people who "ironically" write and draw torture porn fanfiction for the consumption of a single thread in Games

They were just kids. And that was a long time ago.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Pvt.Scott posted:

keeping tabs on tabletop rpg indie guys is more my thing, so I haven't really kept up on the video games front.


Can you recommend a good one for my kids and I to play? We do Space Hulk, Battletech, and Deathstorm (pretty much every GW boardgame too). I've been looking for something new to try.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

dans posted:

Being funny or not isn't the point, we were idiot edgelords shooting our mouths off, we never expected any of this stuff to go outside our little network of weirdos.

Until Ben tweeted it and said he thought it was funny, right? lol

https://twitter.com/banditloaf/status/721130582361505793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

ideate posted:


If you're a longtime friend of Ben's, could you please try to help him? he is honestly killing himself. For all the 'lol scam citizen' stuff, I don't want to see that.


Happy birthday Ben!

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

CrazyLoon posted:

Well clearly, Ben thought it was a wise idea to recently post it on his public company-linked Twitter and on public RSI company forums, over which he is now grand poobah. A fine young lad you raised and I'm sure he's past all that now, what with him giving homophobes, racists and misogynists that send their dick pics to any woman in the community on said forums a free pass!

Hey, have you got any of that dickwulf stuff? I think it's pertinent now that we find this out about Ben. The company he keeps and all that.

I'd also like to throw that stuff where he was shutting down the female gamers when the CIG forums were starting out.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

dans posted:

I don't think any of us even remembered that website still existed for the last ten years


dans posted:

Yeah, I don't think I've thought of that page in fifteen years.



dans posted:

It's us holding on to dumb poo poo we did twenty years ago, it's not going to be particularly good, we were children.

LOL :clint:

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Fargin Icehole posted:

There's a guy named Wulgeknight who may have had Child Porngraphic material found in his Clan invite or whatever the gently caress. This guy by the way has donated pledged at least 30,000 dollars to this Star Citizen bit, and has called in pizza for the developers while they were streaming. Some moderator did the probation, but it was Ben Lesnick who sided with his decision.

During this time I'd like to point out that, anybody that ever criticized Star Citizen or asked a specific question about a module of said game supposed to come out much, much sooner were permanently banned.

Don't forget he also was sending dick pics to women on the CIG forums. One of them happened to be a goon and she spilled the beans, and the photo, to us.

Ben didn't do anything about it.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Maldoror posted:

The framed pic represents a meme from his past that was funny to him and his friends.

It would be like someone framing a pic of barnacle jim, then taking a picture of it in their room, then years later having the pic discovered and you lose your job because it's discovered you have a framed picture of a piece of poo poo in your bedroom and people are taking it out of context

I had nothing to do with these people so I don't know poo poo but I've seen enough poo poo where someone does or says or posts dumb poo poo (i've done it plenty of times myself) then it comes back out of context and everyone gangs up shouting pedo rapist etc. and no one can say anything now because if they do they're a pedo rapist etc. defender/apologist

oh no im a pedo rapist defender / apologist :sad:

Sure.

quote:

I miss Kerri so much:~( All I have to remember her by is my large collection of photos, tapes and illegally obtained biological samples:( #17,275

Wow, all this talk of Frosty's mom and commenting about how I'm stalking her made me forget about my true purpose in life. !Kerri-Lee #19,787

Oh, I followed several women who looked sort of like Kerri-Lee around the science museum, but none of them turned out to be her:~( #13,846

http://trelane.hamtwoslices.net/index.php?query=kerri

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

CrazyLoon posted:

The latter you're gonna have to get in touch with Lauresh, since I was absent for a month right when that happened, but as for the former, sure I'll retell the tale, since the parties involved are pretty much okay with talking about it by now (was less so certain on that half a year ago). I'll try to keep it short for the gibbis.

Basically, Star Citizen had a chat. In said chat a married woman meets mr. personality, DickWulf, who starts getting really 'friendly' with her the moment he finds out she is a FEMALE, gifting her free spaceship .jpegs and whatnot. And just 3 days after that, she gets this in her e-mail (whose address he got automatically through gifting said spaceships, thanks to CIG's non-existent security considerations):

:nws: :nws: :nws:



After which she has a rather...awkward as gently caress conversation with him about how it's not really cool, whose pics I don't have and for which you'll have to PM Raskolnikov (I'm certain she's okay with sharing them, but do note I'm addressing the guy I'm quoting here, not for every goddamn gibbis to spam her PM box).

So Raskolnikov, being her friend, complains about this to CIG moderators, about how it's really not cool this can happen to a married woman over the official site, and that it's not the first time with ole DickWulf and that there has been much talk of him doing it before. But mods stonewall her, saying: "Oh it happened over e-mail, outside of our jurisdiction!" while refusing to admit the only way he got her e-mail was because of how their gifting procedure is hosed up. So Raskolnikov tells off DickWulf publically in chat, that if he keeps doing this something bad will happen to him sooner or later, which the moderators interpret as her threatening to kill DickWulf and not only slap a probation onto her but also ban her from attending CitizenCon, Star Citizen's official yearly gathering, which she only finds out once she arrives there and only gets overturned, due to another big-time backer vouching for her.

So TL;DR - Misogynist rear end in a top hat (who himself is married) is prolly still stalking their forums, sending dick pics and any woman that complains about it gets punished, while he keeps on truckin' thanks to him spending 30-40k dollars on Star Shitizen. And all of which supervised and considered okay by good ole. :lesnick:

Good stuff. What a stand up guy.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Lord Binky posted:

A lot of people on somethingawful really hate star citizen and want it to fail. That's why they're focusing on your old friend

THAT'S not true. I would love nothing more than for everything Chris Roberts promised to come true.

Can you imagine the grief we could cause in that game?

If Star Citizen never comes out, or comes out in a terrible state, we gloat. We win.
If Star Citizen comes out and is just half of what was promised, we have fun playing it. We win.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

WebDog posted:

But you fail to make the distinction between the fact while it is immature ramblings, even when taken out of the context in which they were said, they are far from appropriate at any age.

In Ben's mind this is like when some celeb posts on twitter about some embarrassing style they wore back in the 80's. He fully expected people to laugh with him as if he didn't know better....at age 25. If this was just the spider facts page that would be the case.

Ben as a person is quite literally a mile wide and an inch deep when it comes to have any substance to his self worth.
Sure he got the short end of the stick as a kid but then no effort was really made to get him out and about and socialising with people and so he retreated into a safe space that he hasn't really been able to leave. I also get the feeling that he's been so wrapped up in cotton wool that he has quite the case of arrested development going on.

Him dropping out of college only just shows he has trouble doing things without some sort of adult assistance. And this still appears to be the case regarding him having to move states to work on SC.

He found the WC community as the one thing that accepted him and attached himself to it like some desperate leech and has spent the better part of twenty years obsessively immersing himself to the point where it's defined the only self worth he's ever known. As a result he becomes cocky and arrogant slowly pushing out other community leaders with such vitriol, even rejoicing in their deaths, till only he is left to run the ship of fools.

To make things worse this behaviour gets validated as he's eventually rewarded for his years of service as being the public face of his idol's latest creation.
You're talking about a person who at that point is verging on borderline shut-in and lives off a menial admin job at a school while writing up news posts that hallucinate potential sequels from nearly forgotten game franchises of the 90's. Now he gets paid to sit around in cushy digs with free food to live his dream - and the tragic irony is that's literally killing him.

On top of that he's given the controls to a new community from the ground up and sets up ridiculous rules about what can or can't be posted and mandatory polls dishing out the law at every moment. Plus he's an individual who has very little solid experience outside his comfort zone to deal with sensitive subjects in a proper way.

Of course he runs into the dilemma where you have backers who are just as broken and even more so as himself (see WulfKnight).
People so ostracised from social norms that they try to buy themselves some sort of community acceptance in the thousands of dollars expecting some sort of say in the creation of a dream video game or even buying people ships to try and gain their affections.

So to save the company coffers they get a light slap on the wrist for posting CP while valid concerns get banished to the wasteland as there's only so many hours in the day and free doughnuts to eat and sitting around watching all the Star Wars movies on company time.


Keep in mind this the public face of a company that has been publicly accused by former employees of racist and discriminatory hiring practices, done at a whim because the person hiring subjectively picks and chooses people based on broad assumptions of their personal grooming. Yup, someone wasn't hired because she was claimed to look like someone who doesn't shave down there.

And then you have the self described "job tourist" who claims he ran a baseball team in his teens yet until someone put the clippers to him looked like a hobo they'd let in. Said hobo leaked 34gb of game assets onto a public FTP, including a working build of the game and somehow kept his job.

TL;DR
90's video game obsessed manchild gets wrapped in cotton wool and refuses to grow up and take responsibility for his actions that are now damaging the reputation of the company he works for. Said company too afraid of community reprisals and potential loss of money to fire him.

:vince:

Seriously, that was good.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

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spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

parthenocarpy posted:

took a couple hours and a late run to walmart for more ink (lol that stuff is expensive!!) but i got the ships printed out. gota figure out a way to make these babies waterproof. they will serve as a roof above my head, expecing an eviction notice in two weeks. been a while since the last rent payment but in my defense been alot of good ship sales recently and less mouths to feed around here lately with the fam out of my way so why not is my perspective.

Which of these guys is you?





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