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Nina posted:I can just handwave it with "moon-humans are weirdos about designing their combat androids" and be cool enough with it. I think it's neat. Rather than doing the "machines learn to emotion" bit, they're "human" from the get-go and commanded to suppress that in the face of likely death or abandonment on one mission or another. Motto fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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Rainuwastaken posted:I don't get it, is it a spoiler thing? What lets hang out said and how that works with what Motto said
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That demo was some dope poo poo. As a massive fan of both Nier and Platinum, I thought the whole thing was a very fair mix of the two, with the latter complimenting the former instead of overriding it. This is very much still Nier, and the Platinum over-the-top action still wasn't out of line with the stuff that happened in the first game. Music was amazing, character interactions were on point even in that short period of time, gameplay was slick and fun, and I was really glad they kept the genre changes intact. The English voice actors did a great job, too, so I'm looking forward to seeing them in the full game. Boy am I curious how they're going to walk back that ending, though. At the same time I'm half expecting the scenario to be exclusively for the demo and to not take place at all in the main game. Also-also, those combat animations were so fantastic. I don't even remember Bayonetta 2 having animations quite so fluid. You can really feel the weight (or lack thereof, sometimes) behind the weapons 2B uses. I feel like a good chunk of the main game will be me just appreciating those animations.
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Rainuwastaken posted:I don't get it, is it a spoiler thing? As an android, she contains many tubes, and thus is tuby.
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Dec 25, 2016 16:55
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Hello I am lecherous uncle Shinjobi and lemme tell ya: I like the way her tubes are put together, ya know what I'm sayin???
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Dec 25, 2016 17:14
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Squidtentacle posted:Boy am I curious how they're going to walk back that ending, though. At the same time I'm half expecting the scenario to be exclusively for the demo and to not take place at all in the main game.  I think one of the game's core themes will be what it means "2 B", as all good robot stories should. 2B and 9S are androids like Devola and Popola, and can die and return as long as their human masters will it, but they're still "human", with their own thoughts and emotions that they're not allowed to show since they are expendable and "not real". Add this to the WW2 references and 9S referring to them as soldiers and there you go.
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Terper posted:
Yeah Devola and Popola being around definitely makes me believe in the idea that for the most of the game you'll be playing as 2B and 9S rebuilt after dying with reuploaded memories. OR they don't get the same memories back and being totally expendable is how humanity gets around the whole nagging issue of artificial people inevitably gaining emotions as seen in Nier. I'm wondering just how far they're gonna run this theme and just how many times they might kill the characters off.
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Dec 25, 2016 17:33
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The boxes touched
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:The boxes touched L-l-lewd.
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Nina posted:Yeah Devola and Popola being around definitely makes me believe in the idea that for the most of the game you'll be playing as 2B and 9S rebuilt after dying with reuploaded memories. OR they don't get the same memories back and being totally expendable is how humanity gets around the whole nagging issue of artificial people inevitably gaining emotions as seen in Nier. We also have Emil, who is a very early human-weapon. The "happy ending" we were promised may well be the destruction of all of humanity so that our robot children can be free 
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Assuming humanity isn't already dead or at least gone and not coming back
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IIRC, the "Canon" ending of Nier (unpublished in the West) has the gestalts and replicants joining forces to fight off some aliens (who may or may not have been drawn to the Earth by intercepting the Mother's song, it just took them this long to get here). Emil somehow fashions himself a robot fightin' body and holds off the space invaders, though we don't know how that story ends. Assuming all that hasn't been written out, I'm assuming Nier: Automata takes place sometime later.
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I just found out about that sweet as hell limited edition that comes with Nier for the PS4 and I'm incredibly tempted to grab it.  But I want to know if they're going to have a similar bundle for the PC before I do. Why are they so tight lipped about the PC Edition?
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Bad Seafood posted:IIRC, the "Canon" ending of Nier (unpublished in the West) has the gestalts and replicants joining forces to fight off some aliens (who may or may not have been drawn to the Earth by intercepting the Mother's song, it just took them this long to get here). Emil somehow fashions himself a robot fightin' body and holds off the space invaders, though we don't know how that story ends. Assuming all that hasn't been written out, I'm assuming Nier: Automata takes place sometime later. Actually Gestalts and replicants die off in Japan but manage to become real humans elsewhere in the world. Sometime after aliens that create (or are) the machine lifeforms invade and force the new humanity to evacuate on the moon. The new humanity create the androids to wage war against the alien machines on the planet's surface and that's the current status quo. During these events Emil has travelled the world and fights some kind of aliens at some point (not specified to be the same ones the YoRHa fight). Meanwhile Beepy, who survived, has become a robot messiah of sorts and grants other robots free will like he gained freedom thanks to Kalil. He encounters both the alien machines and the androids in the ending of the Fire of Prometheus short story.
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nier: automata, the sequel to the novel-only, unofficially translated ending to the sequel to the most batshit ending of a batshit ps2 musou clone
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I just want Beepy to give freedom to 2B and 9S and then he dies because this is Taro
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I'm curious where the time-traveling/dimension hopping androids tasked with un-loving alternate timelines from Drakengard 3 is going to factor in.
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Motto posted:nier: automata, the sequel to the novel-only, unofficially translated ending to the sequel to the most batshit ending of a batshit ps2 musou clone We're gonna need a timeline chart of the actually canon material so we can figure out just how many degrees off from being Drakengard 7 this game is.
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Actually the protagonists of this game are not so different from the first's. Nier, and every other "human" for that matter, was just as artificial as 2B or Devola or Popola. Replicants were shells created to keep humanity safe that eventually developed their own consciousnesses incompatible with their human overlords. All life in Nier-verse, be they man, machine, magic or something in-between, is "real".
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The Dark Id posted:I'm curious where the time-traveling/dimension hopping androids tasked with un-loving alternate timelines from Drakengard 3 is going to factor in. Yeah we know they're going to show up in some fashion.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:We're gonna need a timeline chart of the actually canon material so we can figure out just how many degrees off from being Drakengard 7 this game is. This is the best we got http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/drakengard/images/5/51/DOD13-timeline-large.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150620101654 But after the whole DoD1.3 debacle you shouldn't trust on concepts like "coherent continuity" anymore. Canonicity and noncanonicity aren't really things either. Everything is "canon" but might just happen in a different timeline
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The Dark Id posted:I'm curious where the time-traveling/dimension hopping androids tasked with un-loving alternate timelines from Drakengard 3 is going to factor in. her goofy bullshit is going to be the rival fight.
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Dec 26, 2016 08:58
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lets hang out posted:well she immediately follows it with some annoyance about being called ma'am and i think that counts as an emotion To be fair, in the Japanese version she actually sounds emotionless until the last couple scenes.
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Renoistic posted:To be fair, in the Japanese version she actually sounds emotionless until the last couple scenes. Yeah she has that typical emotionless girl voice in Japanese much more clearly than in English. I'll stick to English if the translation work is as good as original Nier but the deep voiced Japanese Pod is what I'll miss the most
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Weskerbot is a treasure.
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Terper posted:Actually the protagonists of this game are not so different from the first's. Except Wyverns. Filthy job stealing bastards.
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Wait gently caress I totally missed the Black Box fusion/Pact similarity until now
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Motto posted:nier: automata, the sequel to the novel-only, unofficially translated ending to the sequel to the most batshit ending of a batshit ps2 musou clone For gently caress's sake Nier ended with us murdering the king of the Shades, killing Devola and Popula, and condemning both humanity and the replicants to slow exinction. Is that not the actual ending? Why is that not the actual ending
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8-Bit Scholar posted:For gently caress's sake If everyone is dead there's nobody left to suffer 
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How did people here remap their controls? I put evade on X and jump on O because having evade on a trigger seemed like a terrible idea but I keep forgetting about my jump in fights so I don't know if there's a more ergonomic setup or if I'm just bad at it. Probably just bad at it. Also this is my first time hearing that there was more to the Nier endings than what we got and I'm not at all surprised that a Nier sequel is going off of that information.
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Trojan Kaiju posted:How did people here remap their controls? I put evade on X and jump on O because having evade on a trigger seemed like a terrible idea but I keep forgetting about my jump in fights so I don't know if there's a more ergonomic setup or if I'm just bad at it. Probably just bad at it. You should try evade on a trigger button again. It is really nice.
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Trojan Kaiju posted:How did people here remap their controls? I put evade on X and jump on O because having evade on a trigger seemed like a terrible idea but I keep forgetting about my jump in fights so I don't know if there's a more ergonomic setup or if I'm just bad at it. Probably just bad at it. I just used the default controls but with shoot and dodge switching places, so shoot was on R2 and dodge on R1 While playing on Hard I also removed the Lock-on button altogether (since it's disabled anyway) and made L2 a second shoot button, to make it a bit easier on my hands to shoot while doing a combo Augus fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Dec 26, 2016 |
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Trojan Kaiju posted:How did people here remap their controls? I put evade on X and jump on O because having evade on a trigger seemed like a terrible idea but I keep forgetting about my jump in fights so I don't know if there's a more ergonomic setup or if I'm just bad at it. Probably just bad at it. I wouldn't really say (based on the current information available) that Nier endings really play into Automata. It's just two short stories that allude to the future robot war being a thing.
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Nina posted:I wouldn't really say (based on the current information available) that Nier endings really play into Automata. It's just two short stories that allude to the future robot war being a thing. Yeah that's what I figure, I just mean in the general but very slight context giving way that Drakengard and Nier play into each other. Re: button mapping, thanks! Gonna try out both and see how I feel about them.
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The Dark Id posted:I'm curious where the time-traveling/dimension hopping androids tasked with un-loving alternate timelines from Drakengard 3 is going to factor in. Some friend of mine told me some conspiracy theory that the androids were sent from a future after Nier, after angry dad doomed both races to extinction, so they sent the androids back in time/space to prevent the original Drakengard from ever happening to try and change their present. This was before Automata even, and she's using it as vindication that she was right. At any rate, I'm both happy and horrified that Yoko Taro's games will forever get sequels, even after the company he worked for died horribly. Which company is going to help make Drakengard 4?
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between this, XV, and WoFF, I'm going to be spending a lot of early 2017 playing Square-Enix games 
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Nina posted:This is the best we got http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/drakengard/images/5/51/DOD13-timeline-large.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150620101654 What was that about anyway? I vaguely remember it as 'this is the revised story/timeline taking Drakengard 3 into account because you all aren't suffering enough'.
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:What was that about anyway? I vaguely remember it as 'this is the revised story/timeline taking Drakengard 3 into account because you all aren't suffering enough'. As far as I gather it's really the "everyone dies and nothing comes out of it" timeline.
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