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Apr 21, 2016 09:18
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rip Chyna you were a warrior princess who ripped apart the rear end in a top hat of xpac
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Apr 21, 2016 09:19
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I was going to say WWE could respond with an open rehab program for current and former employees, but I think I might have gotten that idea from they already do that? R.i.p. Chyna you were cool
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Cubone posted:I was going to say WWE could respond with an open rehab program for current and former employees, but I think I might have gotten that idea from they already do that? They absolutely do that, and IIRC they did it for at least one former employee who was working for TNA at the time.
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Apr 21, 2016 09:59
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SamuraiFoochs posted:They absolutely do that, and IIRC they did it for at least one former employee who was working for TNA at the time. I think it was Road Dogg.
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Apr 21, 2016 10:40
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RIP Chyna. you were cool and good
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RIP Joanie Does this count as a legit HHH burial like Test e: https://twitter.com/ShawnMichaels/status/723086484916428800 Vertical Lime fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Apr 21, 2016 10:51
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From being the first woman to compete in the Royal Rumble to starring in a Marvel Porn parody as She-Hulk, and now she's dead. Her induction to the HOF will be a farce and everyone knows it. E: not that I'm denying that the HOF is a farce, mind you.
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It seems like every year there's some inductee to the HOF that's a complete shitshow for one reason or another, at least for Chyna it'll be for someone who deserves to be inducted. RIP Chyna, hope you're uppercutting angels in the balls right now
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Apr 21, 2016 11:02
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I think it's important to note that she was such a big deal there was a time period where tons of people were getting booked as knockoff Chyna. Nicole Bass is the obvious one, but during my cousin's (who is a similar level of "famous in the 90s") brief wrestling career she was also booked as basically knockoff Chyna until they realized she couldn't wrestle and made her a manager.
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Apr 21, 2016 11:07
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Baron Corbyn posted:I think it was Road Dogg. It was Road Dogg and Angle.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:I think it's important to note that she was such a big deal there was a time period where tons of people were getting booked as knockoff Chyna. Nicole Bass is the obvious one, but during my cousin's (who is a similar level of "famous in the 90s") brief wrestling career she was also booked as basically knockoff Chyna until they realized she couldn't wrestle and made her a manager. WCW had a wrestler named Asya.
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Apr 21, 2016 11:19
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I banged Chyna in the mid 2000s I'm not that proud of it
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Apr 21, 2016 11:32
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Taste the Rainbugh posted:I banged Chyna in the mid 2000s I'm not that proud of it That post is so edgy that it's hosting a WWE Network show with Christian.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:They absolutely do that, and IIRC they did it for at least one former employee who was working for TNA at the time. Didn't Angle also take up WWE sponsored rehab when he got so hosed up he wouldn't accept the TNA Hall of Fame award? As far as I can tell with the WWE rehab program, if you worked for WWE at any point in time, you're covered, no matter what you've done since then. Even if its for publicity's sake, it's cool that WWE does that. E: From my 5 minutes of googling it does seem that Angle did indeed take WWE Rehab when he got hit with DWI in 2013, which was during his TNA tenure. Beautiful Ninja fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Oh god, Mick Foley's post on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RealMickFoley/photos/a.150133228350157.28288.126269440736536/1286120684751400/?type=3&theater Also anyone else realize she died on the anniversary of Rick Rude's death?
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Beautiful Ninja posted:Didn't Angle also take up WWE sponsored rehab when he got so hosed up he wouldn't accept the TNA Hall of Fame award? As far as I can tell with the WWE rehab program, if you worked for WWE at any point in time, you're covered, no matter what you've done since then. Even if its for publicity's sake, it's cool that WWE does that. There's actually a case of them paying for rehab for someone who never worked for the WWE, but I can't for the life of me think who it was. They do have limits though on who they will pay for. I believe they stopped paying for Hall to go to rehab when it seemed to be doing anything for him. This news is poo poo. I wish she had gotten the help she needed.
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Man, this is a bummer because she was chewed up and exploited by multiple industries and nobody seemed seemed willing to get her some help.
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she had serious mental health and drug dependency problems. thats all I can say. wRESTle IN PEACE.
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She's getting a lot more national media coverage than I expected. NPR, NYT... Didn't realize she had such a cultural impact outside of wrestling.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Man, this is a bummer because she was chewed up and exploited by multiple industries and nobody seemed seemed willing to get her some help. I think the most disgusting justification of this was during the 90's steroid trials were Vince tried to excuse their use by pointing out that wrestlers were wrestling three hundred matches a year, and the incredible toll it took on their bodies. They were only doing that because he was the boss and was making them wrestle three hundred matches a year.
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Vertical Lime posted:Oh god, Mick Foley's post on Facebook: gently caress 
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Teddybear posted:She's getting a lot more national media coverage than I expected. NPR, NYT... Didn't realize she had such a cultural impact outside of wrestling. If They Only Knew
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still bizarre that when steve austin asked HHH why they couldn't mention Chyna, he brought up the whole "for legal reasons and stuff you wouldn't want your kids to see" yet here he was talking to a dude who beat his loving wife, a skeleton the WWE locked away HARD.
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Teddybear posted:She's getting a lot more national media coverage than I expected. NPR, NYT... Didn't realize she had such a cultural impact outside of wrestling. At one point she was the number two request for chat show appearances from the WWE behind the Rock and ahead of Austin. She had a big cross over impact.
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MinibarMatchman posted:still bizarre that when steve austin asked HHH why they couldn't mention Chyna, he brought up the whole "for legal reasons and stuff you wouldn't want your kids to see" yet here he was talking to a dude who beat his loving wife, a skeleton the WWE locked away HARD. He only gave Debra the stunner iirc
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MinibarMatchman posted:still bizarre that when steve austin asked HHH why they couldn't mention Chyna, he brought up the whole "for legal reasons and stuff you wouldn't want your kids to see" yet here he was talking to a dude who beat his loving wife, a skeleton the WWE locked away HARD. it's almost like wrestling is a carny cesspit and society at large a misogynistic hole that considers women being forced to sell their sexuality to live (or worse, choosing to do so and embracing and being empowered by it! (though chyna was almost certainly the former)) worse than dudes abusing their spouses. those whores/sluts/whatever your preferred derogatory phrase is obviously deserve everything coming to them, but boys will be boys
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MinibarMatchman posted:still bizarre that when steve austin asked HHH why they couldn't mention Chyna, he brought up the whole "for legal reasons and stuff you wouldn't want your kids to see" yet here he was talking to a dude who beat his loving wife, a skeleton the WWE locked away HARD. The other thing that has always got me about this is that HHH pulls the whole "stuff you wouldn't want your kids to see" thing when Waltman regularly shows up at events and gets name dropped and used in backstage skits not to mention getting the whole cameo at WM in the Sting match.
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Skinty McEdger posted:At one point she was the number two request for chat show appearances from the WWE behind the Rock and ahead of Austin. She had a big cross over impact. Didn't Meltzer write that for a time she moved ratings on a level comparable to Goldberg?
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https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/723129417367732225 Urgh. MinibarMatchman posted:still bizarre that when steve austin asked HHH why they couldn't mention Chyna, he brought up the whole "for legal reasons and stuff you wouldn't want your kids to see" yet here he was talking to a dude who beat his loving wife, a skeleton the WWE locked away HARD. She also accused HHH of abusing and raping her. That revelation was made only a few years ago, so she probably figured that she was never going to be welcomed back into the company again, so why not just spill it. The problem is, the way they threw her out looks very bad for the company. For all the good WWE does for it's employees, for all the stories about paying for people's rehab, Vince signing Regal after Regal vomited and passed out on his table and sending him to rehab, for everything they've done to try to help Scott Hall see a few extra years, it looks from all appearances that they offered Chyna nothing as her life turned into a mess. And they did that because her termination was personal with the highest office. And they continued to ignore her since the day she left. So, this is a really a touchy PR issue that was inevitable and left to fester for twelve years without comment whatsoever. How they handle it will be interesting. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Vertical Lime posted:Oh god, Mick Foley's post on Facebook: drat Mick  WWE HoF is a farce, but I hope she is recognized finally. It's sad when her or Rude aren't in, but Koko B Ware is?
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drat no respect for poor koko b ware even in the chyna is dead thread
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Mulaney Power Move posted:drat no respect for poor koko b ware even in the chyna is dead thread When will the slander end
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El Estrago Bonito posted:I think it's important to note that she was such a big deal there was a time period where tons of people were getting booked as knockoff Chyna. Nicole Bass is the obvious one, but during my cousin's (who is a similar level of "famous in the 90s") brief wrestling career she was also booked as basically knockoff Chyna until they realized she couldn't wrestle and made her a manager. Also WCW's Asya (Christi Wolf). Because Asia is bigger than China. (Chyna was several inches taller but whatever).
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I mean this is pretty much a lose lose for HHH in terms with dealing with this situation
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Corek posted:Also WCW's Asya (Christi Wolf). Because Asia is bigger than China. (Chyna was several inches taller but whatever). TNA also had a blonde who was brawling with men for a bit, even right down to coming out of the crowd to interrupt a match and the announcers referring to her as "that huge amazon" just like they did with Chyna. And then there's Beth Phoenix, Awesome Kong, Kharma, etc who either competed in the Rumble or held down that "I'm so huge and strong that it's unfair to everyone else for me to be in this gender silo" image.
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achillesforever6 posted:I mean this is pretty much a lose lose for HHH in terms with dealing with this situation It is but he was a fucko for it
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ZenVulgarity posted:It is but he was a fucko for it Yea it's not wrong that it's a lose/lose no matter what, but also it could have all been avoided by treating a former moneymaker for your company like a human being.
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