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RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

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Their religion taught them that they're saving people from satan. It doesn't make it ok but it's sad how their moral compass has been so hosed up.

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RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

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SwingShift posted:

"If only we treat these trans people horribly enough, they'll stop being trans. Wait, over half of trans kids try to kill themselves? Probably not related."

Seriously, are there any examples of these people being confronted with the knowledge that what they do heavily contributes to suicide rates among trans youth? Maybe any good articles on the subject? I imagine it's a lot easier to play the "we're just trying to HELP them" card when the trans people in question are still alive to harass. I want to know if they look even slightly uncomfortable or if they just shrug it off as not their fault.

"Suicide comes from encouraging these people to be the wrong gender, and then they find out they're still empty inside. If we make them stay what they were born as and teach them to turn their sins over to Jesus Christ they wouldn't have killed themselves."

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Forgall posted:

TERFs somehow manage to be even more loving despicable than bible-thumpers.

Whoa now let's not get crazy

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
They're still terrible but bible thumper do it under the guise of saving souls so it's a pretty hard choice.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
It's also an election year so they can set up situations where they tell their constituents that mean ol Obama is trumping your right to take a whiz without perverts watching you. Vote republican!

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

hackbunny posted:

I hate his stupid combination bowl+buzz cut, I hate his stupid mirror selfies, I even sneer with contempt at the lovely cheap phone he took them with. Like the first and last time I played roulette I came close to understand gambling addiction when I put money on my lucky number, and the next higher number came out (and then my lucky number, and then zero), I'm coming close to understanding hate, like, real hate. I don't know if it's decency or ennui that's stopping me from going further

I think you need weed bro. When you admit your rage is irrational and still wanna go through with it, weed.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
I'm also seeing some horrible responses from the Log Cabin Republicans that Obama should be acknowledging the threat of "radical Islam" and Pink Pistols saying this is proof all gay people should be armed because I'm definately sure that a dozen or more people trying to shoot a gunman in a dark and crowded night club would have gone well.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

hackbunny posted:

Checking in a day later and yep, still angry

It's good to be angry, we should be angry, it's when you start spouting nonsense about having our own version of the Rodney King riots and even when you acknowledge it wouldnt do anything youre still going on about doing it anyway just because.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

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Cythereal posted:

Also, Orlando's lifted that ban on donations. Florida's LGBT community understandably has been eager to donate blood and the folks in Orlando decided to remove the ban for them.

Sadly it's "temporary " but I hope there's a push to make it permanent.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
How do you feel about banning black men from donating since the risk of HIV infected blood is about the same?

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Not every MSM has HIV though. If they are monogamous and know they and their partner are HIV free it makes zero sense unless you think it spontaneously generates.

Seriously there's no good excuse except "gays icky ".

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Wooten posted:

They have let widespread bigotry turn into a free pass to kill anyone indiscriminately? Seriously?

Yeah that's how russia works pretty much.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Well to break this up here's Anderson cooper being really cool:
https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/06/14/watch-anderson-cooper-confront-florida-ag-pam-bondi-over-her-hostility-lgbt-rights/210944

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Obama once again sissifying our military for the Islamic takeover :twisted:

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
The FBI apparently found no connection to homophobia in the pulse club shooting.

http://sdgln.com/news/2016/07/20/no-evidence-pulse-attack-was-motivated-homophobia-fbi-says

I feel so confused. I doubt they came to that conclusion lightly, since it's the obvious answer, but seriously? He went out of his way to shoot up a gay club during pride week. What other purpose could he have? Guess we won't know.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

unwantedplatypus posted:

Isle of Man now Isle of Men

Is that like whore island for women?

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

AlexJade posted:

I still feel that if someone is gonna use Hobby Lobby as part of their case they should have to show how they follow the rest of the their religious tenants.

Sadly that's a really slippery road and would likely lead to testing if muslim women are really Muslim enough to wear a hijab or if jews are jewish enough to take off for High Holidays.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Keeshhound posted:

Jesus, they're not even loving trying to pretend to have standards.

Even worse he's acting like a hero for blowing the lid off a dictatorship.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

OwlFancier posted:

It's annoying and I don't really get why people do it.

Marx was right about a lot of things, but while the history of all hitherto existing society may have been the history of (economic) class warfare, nowadays we have some other forms of conflict too that are going to need resolving. You can't shove all that back in the box because it's easier to think about that way.

Even Marxists need an infallible God and Savior to believe in.

RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Sep 24, 2016

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

OwlFancier posted:

If you want that I think the efforts to promote intersectionality with LGBT/Feminist issues have far more promise and offer far more solace to the modern economic left than "let's pretend it's 1900 again".

Not really, the "no war but class war" mantra is comforting because it says that their cause is the only one, and not only that, but once their cause is won, all other problems will melt away. It's a proverbial paradise and reaffirms just how important it is in their mind.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Just clarifying I don't think just everyone who subscribes to communism/Marxism is like that. I consider myself a communist, but there are some who go full crazy and thump Marx's work like an objectivist and rand.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
drat those privilege checkers. drat them.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
You're kind of an idiot if you don't see the significant value in social and legal acceptance and how much they intertwine.
When you're dead set on pushing them out you create your own enemy. It requires a special kind of audacity to claim access to a millenia old social institution which ties into so many different aspects of life is just those gays being uppity bourgeis who only care about "liberal institutions" and then say "hey guys remember the REAL enemy is!". It also is seriously misjudging the goal of the lgbt rights movement (hint: it's about way more than getting married).

RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Sep 24, 2016

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

spotlessd posted:

This is exactly the poo poo I'm on about. Conservatives were saying "AIDS is a plague sent by God to punish perverts" and liberals said "Yep! And the cure for their disgusting sexual hedonism is wholesome, tv-friendly state-sanctioned monogamy", so how did the leftists who were saying "uhhhh how about just healthcare" become the bad guy?


Haha yes there's No way queer people could be legitimately interested in marriage and the social implications that come with it unless our liberal handlers told us to!

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

spotlessd posted:

Wow this didn't take long at all, did it? Who'd have thought a forum that exists entirely for smarmy liberal morons to congratulate themselves would spend more time pathologizing any view that doesn't fit into a tweet than actually engaging the argument. Tell me more about this irrepressible font of wisdom known as "the middle".

After you regale us more about how the gays are being manipulated by their liberal masters :allears:

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

BigRed0427 posted:

I blame capitalism.

The free market took it in the direction the people wanted. Who are we to argue?

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Was Marx gay

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Samovar posted:

I won't deny that, it just seems (sorry for the subjectivity) that those people make noise vastly disproportionate to their numbers.

And that they are also self-declared.

That is quite true, especially now. The article that started this debate though was talking about decades ago, before lgbt rights were a serious issue on ANYONE'S radar. It was far from a default leftist issue like it is today.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

The Shortest Path posted:

A guillotine would be nice.

Oy vey always with the guillotine! Can't you come up with a new idea? !

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
"• (3) bringing an end to assigning women to combat support units, combatant ships and pilot billets that ultimately result in women becoming involved in combat. While women have always made an important contribution to national security, we must resist liberal impulse to use the military to advance the interest of women in civilian culture at the expense of military readiness and effectiveness. America must not become the only nation in the world to use women in combat positions."

This is like, comically untrue and I don't think it was true in 2000 either.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Well even using explicit combat positions, the IDF has had women in equal roles as men (including Israel' mandatory military service) since 2000, though similarly they had been near the front since the beginning.

It also cannot be the only one, but I admit it's a subject I'm not very informed on.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

OwlFancier posted:

The hell is with their goddamn freaks who can't be bothered to look after their kids but sure as gently caress want a legal say over their ability to look after themselves.

Like pick one or the other you massive weirdo.

She probably wanted money tbqh.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

quote:

“Petitioners’ protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, a constitutional right that protects ‘the choice of one’s partner’ and ‘whether and how to connect sexually’ must logically extend to activities like prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia (if the child should credibly claim to be ‘willing’).” That sentence doesn’t equate these activities. In fact, it implies that the other activities are worse, or seem to be worse, than same-sex relations. He’s saying: If you accept a constitutional right to engage in same-sex sexual activities on the ground that there’s a right to choose “whether and how to connect sexually,” you are logically committing yourself to accepting these other things too.

I love how this guy thinks he's saying something new. No one ever argued anything to the contrary and this is basically legitimizing the ridiculous slippery slope argument of "if you legalize homosexuality where does it stop?!"

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Eimi posted:

This is an idle thought conjured up by my armchair historians fear that America is now approaching the bloody part of the Roman Republic, but why haven't alt right groups tried to adopt the "manly" homosexuality of the Greeks/Romans? It has a white enough pedigree for the shitheads and it still lets them make fun of women and weaker men. Like if they wanted to split off part of the left, it seems opening up to accepting homosexuality on some level is the obvious target, as the tons of examples of LGBT people who would fit in on the right if they didn't have to vote to protect their rights to exist.

The concept of manly homosexuality is kind of dead as far as the right is concerned. Despite the idea of gays all being sissies being really new in the scheme of things it's just how most modern folks see things and it'd be a very hard sell.

Unrelated but came across this:
TX Lawmaker Wants To Force Schools To Out LGBT Students To Parents

quote:

Texas tea party state Sen. Konni Burton (pictured with Sen. Ted Cruz) has filed legislation that would effectively require public school employees to out LGBT students to their parents.

Under Burton's Senate Bill 242, teachers and other school employees who fail to disclose a student's sexual orientation or gender identity to parents could face discipline, even if the student requests that the information be withheld.

If passed, SB 242 would place LGBT youth in the conservative state at risk for abuse, neglect or suicide if their parents aren't accepting. It could even expose them to the dangerous, discredited practice of "reparative therapy," which happens to be endorsed in the Texas GOP platform.

Burton, a Republican from Fort Worth, said on her website Thursday that she drafted SB 242 in response to transgender guidelines adopted by the Fort Worth school district earlier this year. As originally written, the Fort Worth guidelines barred faculty and staff from disclosing a student's transgender status to parents. However, following a hateful campaign by Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, the school district revised the guidelines, eliminating the prohibition on parental notification.

Burton, a Patrick ally who also opposed the guidelines, said in response to the Fort Worth controversy, she decided to review state law governing parents' access to information from public schools.

"We found these provisions in desperate need of clarity and expansion," Burton wrote. "That is why I am planning to file a bill that rewrites these provisions to make it unequivocally clear that a parent has a right to full and total information on their child’s academic performance, physical, mental and emotional health, and more. Further, my legislation will make it expressly against state law for a district to adopt policies designed to undermine a parent’s right to know. No parent in Texas should ever have to fight for the basic right to matter in their child’s life again."

Burton couldn't immediately be reached for further comment.

Under SB 242, parents would be entitled to "any general knowledge regarding the parent's child possessed by an employee of the district." Parents would also have access to all written records "relating to the child’s general physical, psychological or emotional well-being."

Burton's bill is among dozens of anti-LGBT measures expected to be considered by the Texas Legislature when it convenes in January. On Monday, Sen. Bob Hall filed a bill that would nullify nondiscrimination ordinances covering roughly 9 million Texans, or one-third of the state's population.

loving Texas.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

The Republicans control both sides of the legislative branch in North Carolina? Misplaced blame much?

This isn't dnd if you can't rail about how useless Democrats are.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

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Yardbomb posted:

I don't think I've ever met one Bernie person with a single kind word for cheeto golem thankfully, facebook sounds bad.

I heard a lot of it after he lost the primary. Now it seems to be "Bernie would have won".

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

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Glazier posted:

Keep your guns loaded and on your person at all times, they are starting to come for us.

Get therapy before you hurt someone you moron.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Glazier posted:

Get as many firearms as you can afford, train with them, and carry at least one on your person at all times. Be alert and be ready, they are coming for us soon.

Get help.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

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Shbobdb posted:

Owning a gun for self defense is a crazy reason.

There's really no situation where a gun helps. Like we always tell conservatives guns either escalate a situation or are useless against the threat.

If the gestapo come after us for realsies were not going to be able to fight back with guns. All you're going to do is accidentally shoot some dude I'm a trenchcoat because he looked kinda shifty.

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RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

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Liquid Communism posted:

Shut up fishmech. You know as little about firearms as you know about anything else.

He's right tho.

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