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Catberry posted:I think the problem with industry is that you're competing with people who have been gathering blueprints for a decade. People who earned their original investments several times over and now consider a 5% profit a good haul on their perfect manufacturing jobs. gently caress. Exactly what I was afraid of.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:I just didn't want to dump a month of training and learning into the industry or markets to find out that there's no money to be made because 10 dudes who've been playing 10 years can blow you out of the market and there's no room to compete. There is always room to compete, you just have to find an out of the way corner of space. The further from Jita you get the higher the profit margins of industry.
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Also, superior facilities can help. As you enter more lawless space in Eve, the benefits that player-owned Engineering Complexes provide increases. Nullsec's facilities are the best, but they're generally going to be further from central markets.
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Rutibex posted:There is always room to compete, you just have to find an out of the way corner of space. The further from Jita you get the higher the profit margins of industry. There's also the fact that for every guy with researched BPOs and actively maintained spreadsheets there's at least one dumbass just dumping poo poo on the market.
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Catberry posted:I think the problem with industry is that you're competing with people who have been gathering blueprints for a decade. People who earned their original investments several times over and now consider a 5% profit a good haul on their perfect manufacturing jobs. Doesn't have to be true at all. I started getting into industry about Christmas time and I do it in high sec pretty close to Jita on a couple alts because I'm lazy and don't own a jump freighter to make null manufacturing make sense. I don't look at a percentage but instead isk per hour per slot as my metric for what's worth building. I don't care if that's 5% or a couple things I make that are somewhere around 20% but instead I try to make sure each slot is earning at least 400k per hour per slot and in many cases it's much more than that. Even at the 400k mark (which is not hard there are many items there) across 2 characters with 18 slots I have total I'm making around 5b a month if I stay on top of it. From what I can tell I'm hitting around that mark because, while my slots aren't running 24 hours a day because I do sleep, I do have items making much more than that 400k mark as well. I don't do anything special really. It does take a pretty large investment though and t1 items are generally garbage in high sec.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:That's good advice. I want to be able to do a little bit of everything, but I figured I could train up a decent Cruiser for missions and to re-learn the game after so many years, but focus a lot of my effort on building and selling stuff because the economic side of the game seems pretty cool. I sold some of my initial plex for a skill injector so that gave me a minor head start toward a base level of combat competency. If you're interested in the markets then I recommend not doing industry, because when you're watching markets you get to see things like an item you just set up for production dropping 10% because someone penny sniped an order 10 jumps away and in lowsec and a bunch of other idiots undered him without just waiting for the order to clear. Or, if you are going to do both, make characters for each so your market guy can sit in the market hub and manage orders while your industry guy is back home forging space swords or whatever.
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CMvan46 posted:Doesn't have to be true at all. I started getting into industry about Christmas time and I do it in high sec pretty close to Jita on a couple alts because I'm lazy and don't own a jump freighter to make null manufacturing make sense. That's cool. I think I'm just going to knock out some early easy skills for both combat/general purpose and some industry. I don't mind taking a loss or breaking close to even so long as it's building toward something good. I'm gonna look up some guides so I avoid the easy mistakes, but I'm gonna guess the "10 words or less" long term plan is get some BPOs and start researching?
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Anime Store Adventure posted:That's cool. I think I'm just going to knock out some early easy skills for both combat/general purpose and some industry. I don't mind taking a loss or breaking close to even so long as it's building toward something good. Up to you how you want to do it. I started when excavators were hot poo poo. I was so poor though I had to buy the BPC and make one drone and then have it couriered back to Jita and sell it before I could make the next one on the BPC. But every 5 run I bought was making absurd money for a couple weeks so that's where I got my start. Researching is great passive isk. Literally just set it and forget it. So far I've spent about 4-5b on BPOs though that isn't necessary. Eve isk per hour program is great and can even calculate profits for you and tell you what's worth making. Just need to be a bit careful with it as sometimes people doing market fuckery will artificially make a market look good until it comes crashing down. Big things though are to make sure you are buying as much of your material from buy orders as possible and to produce everything in bonused citadels for what you are making.
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Klyith posted:Literally "the beatings will continue until morale improves" thinking. Hey, that's the sort of thinking which allowed the british navy to turn a rain soaked island into a global superpower.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:That's cool. I think I'm just going to knock out some early easy skills for both combat/general purpose and some industry. I don't mind taking a loss or breaking close to even so long as it's building toward something good. Planetary Interaktion is a good move if you are a beginner. Low skill time and a great benefit. You can do it with a minimum of time after setting up your production line. You should take a look at it. interactive prodution line link to setup your PI
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Dalael posted:Hey, that's the sort of thinking which allowed the british navy to turn a rain soaked island into a global superpower. we have at least three days a year without rain, America's Hat
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Blazing Zero posted:finally, the eve thread you all deserve I found a thread worse than the eve thread. E Equals MC Hammer posted:Lets eve it up yall. Lets not.
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Dalael posted:Hey, that's the sort of thinking which allowed the british navy to turn a rain soaked island into a global superpower. that's probably the reason they became a global superpower. Stay here in the rain or go make money in India and eat food with spices in it
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That looks like an alright thread.
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lucifirius posted:That looks like an alright thread. Given it's in GBS... nah.
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lucifirius posted:That looks like an alright thread. found the j4g with bad opinions
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Finally sold all my poo poo and quit my lowsec alliance.. now to find something better
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Lansoc posted:Finally sold all my poo poo and quit my lowsec alliance.. now to find something better you'll have to look in another game.
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Lansoc posted:Finally sold all my poo poo and quit my lowsec alliance.. now to find something better RMT and get started in a new hobby with the proceeds?
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Try taking up homebrewing. The initial equipment investment and loss from trial and error is significant but the gains once you get the hang of it are amazing. I recommend focusing on meads and fruit wines.
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Blasphemaster posted:Try taking up homebrewing. The initial equipment investment and loss from trial and error is significant but the gains once you get the hang of it are amazing. I recommend focusing on meads and fruit wines. 
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Catberry posted:Maybe gsf should make the next OP as the last surviving Eve guild. So someone active in the game can keep the OP up to date. All of this has happened before...and will happen again...
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Viva Miriya posted:found the j4g with bad opinions Jokes on you, I'm not in gsf or a blue to gsf. Or in panfam.
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lucifirius posted:Jokes on you, I'm not in gsf or a blue to gsf. Or in panfam. Post your Procurer fit.
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I don't mine either. If I used a proc, I'd have a cyno and tackle on it.
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lucifirius posted:I don't mine either. If I used a proc, I'd have a cyno and tackle on it. Why do you need a cyno and tackle to run L4 missions in high-sec? Did something change?
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Blasphemaster posted:Try taking up homebrewing. The initial equipment investment and loss from trial and error is significant but the gains once you get the hang of it are amazing. I recommend focusing on meads and fruit wines. A home still added to this setup can improve the efficiency quite a bit. Compressed alcohol is much easier to transport.
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Mokbek posted:How are goons faring in 2017 ? after six years of uncontested domination, we finally got our rear end kicked by out-of-game casino money and fled back to delve we dropped thousands of the new Citadel and Engineering Complex structures (outpost replacements) and exploit our region more effectively than anyone else the new sov system sucks balls
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:after six years of uncontested domination, we finally got our rear end kicked by out-of-game casino money and fled back to delve When are we going to retake the north and burn it to the ground on principle?
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:out-of-game casino money 
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Catberry posted:When are we going to retake the north and burn it to the ground on principle?  it's okay sweetie, it happened outside of highsec so it isn't anything you'd be worried about
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Catberry posted:When are we going to retake the north and burn it to the ground on principle? Isn't Delve the best space in the game anyway? Why bother conquering more?
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Rutibex posted:Isn't Delve the best space in the game anyway? Why bother conquering more? Not conquer. Just scorch it for vengeance and then move on.
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goons itt still mad about losing a videogame war
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stabbed in the back by everyone who blued the other side instead of us
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fukd 2 deth by fukbot5000
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Viva Miriya posted:goons itt still mad about losing a videogame war  Catberry posted:When are we going to retake the north and burn it to the ground on principle? the layout of the north sucks for defense post fozzie aids because its stretched out on the map while nearly all of delve is in cyno range of a central system. In deklein theta ran a defense fleet for one half of deklein and karmafleet ran one for the other but KF didn't have the numbers theta did and were newer so they ended up in a feeding frenzy when they went up against legit fleets coming out of WHs. PookBear fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Reverand maynard posted:I have all my assets and am no longer blue to sma, fcon or any dumb serbs sup pooki how are you
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Reverand maynard posted:I have all my assets and am no longer blue to sma, fcon or any dumb serbs SMA is dead, and good riddance. Was fun while I was with them, but glad to be away from all that.
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