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Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
BeerSheets!

old dog child posted:

Goon Fantasy Football IRC
There's always people idling. Stress about your flex in real time!
#fantasyfootball
irc.synirc.net
Mibbit link



Welcome back Fantasy Sports Fans, it's 2016. It's officially time to be wrong 40% of the time at best get ready for some fake football!



In addition to the links below you can also check out this list from Dynasty League Football. This Reddit post also has a ton of useful information.

Free League Hosting Services
  • ESPN: ESPN is stable and reliable system that's fairly powerful. It's the one I personally use and have no complaints.
  • CBS: The grandaddy. There are both free and premium subscriptions.
  • Yahoo: Yahoo has a somewhat clunky interface and terrible “experts” but it’s free and not terribly hard to use.
  • NFL.com: Flashy interface and integrated video, the NFL seems to be sinking some money into the site. The draft interface is unfortunate.
  • Fleaflicker: It’s a free site and very highly reviewed. The interface is spartan and information-driven and league customization options are deep.
Premium League Hosting Services
  • My Fantasy League: Allows the greatest range of league customization options (both the league web site and rules). Winner of multiple FSTA League Manager Product awards. Fantastic for dynasty, and well worth the $60 it costs to run a league each year.
Useful Free Resources
  • NBC Rotoworld: THE source for examining specific players and getting news on them. I don't even bother using their on-site search engine; just Google "Rotoworld (Player Name)" and it'll pop right up.
  • Football Guys: Has a free daily newsletter that I consider mandatory. It provides you with updates and alerts about players. They also have a really nice amount of content should you subscribe.
  • FantasyFootballCalculator: The current standard for mock drafting. It's a good place to find other people and get some experience with the pace of drafting. Another new mock draft site that's generating some buzz is SnapDraft. I haven't had a chance to use it myself.
  • FantasyPros: An immensely helpful aggregrator, taking data from all sorts of sources and providing a consensus of their thoughts. Personally I think this is the best method for looking at projections and predictions, as to be honest at best people will be around 60% correct. They also have a free weekly cheat sheet where you can input your team and get back projections; if you have multiple teams it's worth dropping the cash for the premium edition.
  • Reddit Fantasy Football: They're very active and frequently post new information and articles. Probably one of the easiest ways to pick up new info, and the community is well moderated.
  • Bleacher Report Fantasy Football Newsletter: Varg recommends this newsletter as a useful source of NFL information and sit/start advice.
  • Pro Football Reference: More statistics than is probably healthy for any particular person. If you're at the point in your fantasy football progression where you're consulting sites like this for information then congratulations, you're one of us.
Useful Premium Resources
  • 4For4: Known for their accuracy, and one of the premium services I subscribe to.
  • Rotoviz: Premium article-heavy site full of interesting analysis and data driven projections. One of my favorites.
  • Dynasty League Football: This site offers advice specific to dynasty leagues. I consider this a mandatory subscription unless you're in my dynasty league.
  • Pro Football Focus: Additional projections and fantasy news.
  • DraftCalc: Known for bold projections. Also a fair number of fantasy articles and projections.
Useful League Resources
  • LeagueSafe: Online fantasy league escrow service. It has some limitations (no in-season transactions), but the fees are low and I had a great experience with it.
  • Clicky Draft: Online free draft board. I used this last year in my family league to put the board on our flat screen.
  • Draft Night: Online draft web board with multiple apps. I haven't used it yet.
ADP, Rankings and Projections

Twitter
Want to know when a previously unheard of player is starting, or that your stud is out for the game because of a DUI? Twitter is your friend! These recommendations come from Dirt Worshipper and Azhais.

Football Guys
@Sigmundbloom Produces the excellent "Audible" podcast. My favorite follow.
@MattWaldman Writes the Rookie Scouting Portfolio. I'm not sure he sleeps.
@JeneBramel MD and Football Guy, excellent for injury updates on gameday morning and IDP advice

Misc. Writers
@4for4_Paul - from 4for4, most accurate guy the last couple years
@ChrisWesseling Former writer for NBC rotoworld, works for Falcons media now I think. Not sure if he's still gonna do fantasy when 2013 rolls around. If he does, he's one of the best, and well worth the follow.
@dpbrugler Dane Brugler, former NFL scout and writer for CBS, good follow.
@SC_DougFarrar Doug Farrar of shutdown corner
@LanceZierlein Runs thesidelineview.com, great follow
@Dumonjic_Alen Bleacher report/sidelineview contributor, player evals. Smart kid.

Pro Football Focus
@MikeClayNFL Accurate, prolific, one of the better writers
@JeffRatcliffe Great for IDP
@PFF_RossMiles Also great for IDP, does a weekly IDP show with Ratcliffe
@dynastytim used to write for Dynasty League Football, just joined PFF. Great dynasty follow.

NFL Guys
@AlbertBreer
@gregcosell
@mortreport
@AdamSchefter

Varg posted:

Footballguys just emailed out an entire list of who to follow on twitter for every team's fantasy purposes.. I might actually pay attention to twitter now. I put it into an excel file in case anyone who's not subscribed to their mailings is interested. BeerGod feel free to add this to the OP too if you want

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e2td2v607i1oexx/fantasy-football-twitter.xls?dl=0

Podcasts
Just listen to Azhais:

Azhais posted:

:words:

I listen/have listened to approximately all the podcasts. A common theme in the ones I don't like: acting like they are funnier than they are/trying to make it like some sort of morning talk show. I like my (fantasy) football news to be as dry and informative as possible. Ordering here is pretty much straight off the podcast app on my phone so don't read into the ordering.

The Most Accurate Podcast (4for4.com): So far it is pretty content lite (it only started up in March and is focused on redraft leagues, so not real surprising) and is mostly an advertisement for itself (:iiam: if I'm listening to the podcast I probably already know about it). 4 for 4 has been one of the most accurate sites for a few years now, so I'll give this one a go til the start of the season anyway.

Shutdown corner (Yahoo): Football news, not fantasy, but Greg Cossell knows his stuff. If you're just interested in general football chat/draft talk, this one is pretty good.

Under the Helmet (DLF): Done by Chad Parsons of dynastyleaguefootball.com (and formerly of PFF I believe). This is about as dry and informative as it gets, even for me. Chad talks like someone on classical NPR, almost whispering into the mic. But he's very informative and very stats/numbers heavy. Primarily focused on dynasty and keeper leagues and he's big on discussing measurables and doing player comparisons.

Fantasytaz: Fantasy Football Power Hour: Not a fan and I don't listen to it anymore. He's got some good information for redraft leagues, but I can't deal with his personality. Lots of people like him, and I follow him on twitter because he actually has some good observations, but he's a little more boisterous than I like out of my radio shows. Shallow complaint to be sure.

Draft Countdown (draftcountdown.com): NFL draft and prospect talk. I like to keep up on the up and comers for dynasty purposes and Scott Wright puts on a good show. Minimal fantasy value outside of dynasty, but if you want to know all about the trials and tribulations of your favourite team's newly drafted backup right guard, this is the place to be.

DLF podcast (dynastyleaguefootball.com): One of my favorites for the offseason anyway. Lots of discussion of the teams and depth charts and waiver advice and sleepers for your dynasty league. Of marginal value for redrafts I expect, but if I can only listen to one or two podcasts some week, this is one of them.

NFL draft tracker (NFL.com): More prospect talk. I rarely end up listening to this one because it ends up being mostly sportscaster style interviews with the recent draftees (aka every running back Who do you feel you pattern your game after? Adrian Peterson), but leading up to the draft they had some pretty decent views on the prospects. Again, very low fantasy value.

Pro Football Focus Fantasy: They have 4 shows.
Quick Snap- Redraft focused. Like all of PFF's podcasts they are heavily numbers based, and being the offseason they are fairly content light at the moment, mostly discussing mock drafts and early projections. I quite like both of the hosts and this is on my short list to listen to each week, tho they need to drop their fake sponsors because the bits aren't that funny (This week's show brought to you by S-Mart!).
The Dynasty Slant- Their dynasty show. Like all dynasty shows the present discussions are on new startups, a lot of trade analysis in the offseason, breakout candidates, waiver stashes, etc. Also on my short list each week.
The Nickel- Their IDP show. Redraft and Dynasty discussions about all things IDP and who is gaining/losing value based on position and scheme changes, who is likely to acquire more or less work, how new rookies are going to displace veterans. Ross Miles breaks it all down with a sexy British accent (if you're in to that sort of thing). An absolute must listen if you do IDP leagues, and Ross has been one of the most accurate IDP analysts for a while now.
The Mike and Taz show- Redraft oriented. Another Fantasy Taz show, which means I don't listen to it because I don't like loud.

Fantasy Football Weekly (KFAN): One of the grand daddy fantasy football radio shows from KFAN in Minnesota. Entirely redraft oriented and offline during the offseason. This airs for two hours every Saturday morning during the regular season which means they aren't at all helpful for Thursday games, but I quite enjoy them overall. They might fall off my list somewhat depending on how I end up liking 4for4's regular season content as one can only listen to so many Sit/Start radio shows, which is the primary focus of this one.

Fantasy Focus Football (ESPN): Matthew Berry's daily fantasy show. Rapidly falling off my list just due to how much random crap they do that isn't all that focused on fantasy football (this goes back to my morning radio complaint up top), but I do make a point to listen to the Thursday (or Friday? its been a while since the regular season) show when they do the injury updates/training camp reports. Other than that they have a lot of gimmick shows, and a lot of sit/start type advice. As entertaining as listening to some pro wrestler grade trades is I spend my time elsewhere most of the time.

The Audible (footballguys.com): Pretty much everything FBG does is decent, and the Audible is no different. Others have already discussed this one, so I'll leave it there. I could do without the rap intros however. FBG also does "On the Couch" which is their live show with various guests, and that one is pretty hit or miss depending on the guests/topics.

FFToolbox: Fantasy Football Toolbox, in contrast to their name, is a pretty general fantasy sports site. I've found its real hit or miss if the show is going to be about football, or baseball, or hockey (or all three). Perhaps during the regular season it is more focused, but I've taken it off my subscription list just because I don't like the Fantasy Sports Roulette that the podcast seems to be. I might give it a shot again once the season starts up, but I've got enough to listen to :effort:

Tuesdays with Aaron: Aaron Rodgers' weekly show :allears:

There are a variety of others that I've taken off my subscription lists just due to volume of things I listen to, low content, or just being too gameshow-y (or just not liking the hosts for one reason or another.) CBS's podcast, NFL fantasy live, dynasty football warehouse, the fantasy football guys (not to be confused with the football guys), probably others.

tl;dr- Send Help

Also Dren:

Dren posted:

You should add Christopher Harris's Fantasy Underground (available on iTunes) podcast to the podcast list.



Introduction
Fantasy Football is the ancient art of nerds pouring over statistics in the hopes of predicting how infinitely more athletic and successful men will perform over the course of a professional football game. In recent history it has become a billion dollar industry while infusing itself into the collective psyche of the NFL. Countless podcasts, articles, websites, and every other source under the sun have sprung up in support of what is essentially glorified socialized gambling. There's even a television show about a league. Fantasy Football is basically Dungeons & Dragons for jocks football fans. You assemble a roster of individual players from across the National Football League, and then each week the individual performance of the player is tracked and scored. Positive actions like passing, catching, scoring touchdowns, or making field goals give you points. In some leagues negative actions like fumbles, interceptions, or missing a field goal can take away points. At the end of each Monday Night Football game your total score is added up to determine how well you did that week. In many leagues you are pitted against another team for a head-to-head match that determines a winner and a loser. At the end of the season the teams with the most wins will participate in a playoff tournament. The winner of the playoffs will be the champion.

The leagues themselves vary from friendly to insane, including at least one where the loser gets a tattoo chosen by the winner. Other leagues have pots worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, or byzantine rules about relegation, delegation, salary caps, and every other statistic under the sun. We are collectively insane, and we can't get enough. Fantasy Football itself is a lot of fun. Not only do you get to make a game out of watching football, but it also forces you to learn about the sport as a whole. I would never have known (or cared) that last year Darren McFadden was struggling with the Raider's transition from a power blocking scheme to a zone block until he became my first round draft pick and started costing me games. It makes you a better fan when you know all the players on the field. Dirt Worshipper said it best:

Dirt Worshipper posted:

Before I played fantasy I despised it. We all know the obnoxious guy at the sports bar in the Brady jersey, running in between TV’s screaming ”Throw Jennings the ball!”. They disagree fundamentally with the lessons our fathers taught us about football: You root for your home team, through good years and bad. The bad years are meant to be borne with grim fidelity, the good years are our reward. Fantasy was just wrong.
But then I tried it. I joined a work league and had a blast. Rooting for your “real” football team and your fantasy one are not (usually) mutually exclusive. You need not become that guy. Fantasy has not made me a worse fan. On the contrary, my knowledge of the entire league has grown. I’m able to really enjoy more than one game every Sunday. If you love football, give fantasy a try.

The Basics
A league consists of several owners (typically 12), one of whom is the commissioner who manages the league. At the beginning of the season each owner drafts a roster of players. Rosters are typically fifteen players and consist of starters and a bench of reserve players to replace starters who are injured or on bye weeks. A typical starting lineup that will mirror NFL positions and consist of 1 Quarterback (QB), 2 Running Backs (RB), 3 Wide Receivers (WR), 1 Tight End (TE), a Place Kicker (PK), and a Team Defense/Special Teams (DST).

Each week your players will score points for your team according to their performance. Scoring can be very simple or incredibly complicated depending on the league, but many leagues use a standard scoring system where passing provides 1 point per 25 yards, 4 points per passing touchdown, and -1 point per interception and receiving and rushing gain 1 point per 10 yards, 6 points per receiving/rushing touchdown. Field goals are typically worth 3 points, and team defense scoring depends on a number of factors including sacks, interceptions, points allowed, defensive touchdowns, etc. Many leagues will use different scoring systems depending on the preferences of the players. One significant difference is PPR, or Points Per Reception, where wide receiver are awarded a set number of points (typically 0.5 or 1) for every reception.

The league season will go for a set number of weeks during the regular NFL season. Typically the last two to four weeks of the regular season are reserved for the playoffs, and most leagues end on the sixteenth week because many NFL teams will sit their star players in Week 17 if the outcome doesn't matter.

Variations
There are many roster variations that different leagues will use. Many leagues use a flex position where different positions can fit into a slot. The most common form of flex position replaces the third WR position in the standard lineup above with a WR/RB/TE flex position. That means that any Wide Receiver, Running Back, or Tight End player could be used in that slot. Leagues where that flex position allows a QB are typically called "2 QB leagues" because quarterbacks typically score far more points that other players. Other leagues utilize IDP or Individual Defensive Players instead of Team Defenses. IDP players score points for tackles, sacks, interceptions, touchdowns, etc. Many leagues are several years old and include rules to provide continuity between seasons. In contrast to a redraft league where every player is drafted at the start of each season some leagues use keepers where team owners are allowed to keep a set number of players per year. Other leagues are dynasty leagues where the entire roster is kept from year to year. Typically dynasty leagues use much deeper benches and include a rookie draft.

The Draft
Every league starts with a draft, where team owner pick their players. There are two major types of draft; the snake draft and the auction draft. A snake draft is where every owner receives a draft position and then picks a player in order for a number of rounds equal to the roster size. It's called a snake draft because the order "snakes" back and forth each round. In other words the owner who picked last in the first round will pick first in the second. Auction drafts are where each team owner has a set budget and they bid for each player until everyone's roster has been filled. There are numerous drafting strategies out there, but ultimately the goal of any draft is to get the maximum amount of value for your players.

Trades and the Waiver Wire
While drafting is essential, the most successful teams typically win by taking advantage of the waiver wire and trades. Trading is precisely what it sounds like; players offer each other trades that are accepted or rejected. Many leagues incorporate an approval process to prevent collusion where two players will deliberately stack one team and then split the winnings; there is no universe where Adrian Peterson is worth Mark Sanchez. Depending on the league trading may either be nonexistent or commonplace. Many leagues will end trading several weeks before the playoffs begin.

The NFL has hundreds of players and most of them will not be on a team roster. As players are injured or fall out of favor team owners will be forced to pick up free agents to replace them. To do this they use the waiver wire. Each week individual players are locked the moment their team starts their game. For the duration of this "waiver period" owners who wish to claim a free agent submit a "waiver claim." Owners who wish to make more than one waiver claim must indicate the priority of their claims. At the end of the waiver period (typically a day or two after the beginning of the new week) the league software checks the standings of the teams. Going in reverse order (worst standing to highest) the teams get their highest priority claim. If multiple teams have submitted waiver claims for the same player it will go the team with the lowest standing, and the other teams will get their lower priority claims. After the waiver period has ended every player is available to be claimed immediately. The waiver wire is extremely important. Alfred Morris, the 5th ranked running back of 2012, was a free agent in most leagues until the first week. Many owners use the waiver wire to "stream" defenses and other players based on that week's match.

Beer4TheBeerGod fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Aug 30, 2016

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timp
Sep 19, 2007

Everything is in my control
Lipstick Apathy
Slow draft time. Let's slow draft.

Slow draft? Slow draft.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

timp posted:

Slow draft time. Let's slow draft.

Slow draft? Slow draft.

Absolutely. Either reply here or PM me and let me know if you want in for a draft only MFL league starting as soon as I get 12 people. I'll need e-mail addresses to invite people.

Zypher
Sep 3, 2009

Rutgers

Your 2006
Mythical National
Champions!
Good god do I want to be in another slow draft?

Of course I do

Fight Club Sandwich
Apr 29, 2006

you want a piece of me???
whoa aaron rodgers has a weekly show?

Veritek83
Jul 7, 2008

The Irish can't drink. What you always have to remember with the Irish is they get mean. Virtually every Irish I've known gets mean when he drinks.
Definitely down for a goon MFL draft only

Quarterroys
Jul 1, 2008

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Absolutely. Either reply here or PM me and let me know if you want in for a draft only MFL league starting as soon as I get 12 people. I'll need e-mail addresses to invite people.

I'm in again this year.

coronaball
Feb 6, 2005

You're finished, pork-o-nazi!
In again for a slow draft.

The gambling addict in me would like to put a $10 entry fee on the slow draft. Or we could have a free one and a $10 one.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

coronaball posted:

In again for a slow draft.

The gambling addict in me would like to put a $10 entry fee on the slow draft. Or we could have a free one and a $10 one.

Let's make this one free, but I have no doubt others would be down for some MFL10s.

Veritek83
Jul 7, 2008

The Irish can't drink. What you always have to remember with the Irish is they get mean. Virtually every Irish I've known gets mean when he drinks.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Let's make this one free, but I have no doubt others would be down for some MFL10s.

More slow drafts are better than fewer slow drafts.

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
I can't slow draft because I'll be in the Bahamas & Santa Barbara on my honeymoon for two weeks
:cry:
(humblebrag)

Also that podcast list may need an overhaul.

Fantasy Underground is out, Harris Football Podcast is in(sufferable).

Fantasy Footballers may be better than any podcast in the OP

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Spoeank posted:

I can't slow draft because I'll be in the Bahamas & Santa Barbara on my honeymoon for two weeks
:cry:
(humblebrag)

Also that podcast list may need an overhaul.

Fantasy Underground is out, Harris Football Podcast is in(sufferable).

Fantasy Footballers may be better than any podcast in the OP

I am down for burning the whole list and starting over with Goon Approved sources.

Forever_Peace
May 7, 2007

Shoe do do do do do do do
Shoe do do do do do do yeah
Shoe do do do do do do do
Shoe do do do do do do yeah
I still miss Grantland. :negative:

Doesn't Barnwall have a new one? Is it any good?

Rahzmataz
Apr 29, 2013

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Absolutely. Either reply here or PM me and let me know if you want in for a draft only MFL league starting as soon as I get 12 people. I'll need e-mail addresses to invite people.

Got 2 spaces? Me and the missus are looking for a league. She's not a goon, but I can vouch for her.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Rahzmataz posted:

Got 2 spaces? Me and the missus are looking for a league. She's not a goon, but I can vouch for her.

This isn't a league, just a draft. You two are welcome to draft though!

Also if you want a rather crazy league my charity one is always looking for more!

Rahzmataz
Apr 29, 2013

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

This isn't a league, just a draft. You two are welcome to draft though!

Also if you want a rather crazy league my charity one is always looking for more!

Well I feel like a dumbass. Also, tell me more about this charity league!

Veritek83
Jul 7, 2008

The Irish can't drink. What you always have to remember with the Irish is they get mean. Virtually every Irish I've known gets mean when he drinks.

Forever_Peace posted:

I still miss Grantland. :negative:

Doesn't Barnwall have a new one? Is it any good?

I've listened to like half of Barnwell's podcasts so far. He's doing more than just football. Of the 5 or so episodes so far, I think it's been 2 football, 2 basketball, 1 soccer, but I think the idea is that during the season, it'll be much more football oriented. Basically, as long as you like Barnwell, I'd bet you'll like the podcast.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Rahzmataz posted:

Well I feel like a dumbass. Also, tell me more about this charity league!

It's called "Cheating For Charity" and we all play for our own charities, with the pot going to the top two teams in the championship game. It's an IDP league and a key mechanic is that players can donate to increase their FAAB and cheat by swapping out players after they've done well.

In the three years I have done it we've raised over $7K. The competition is fierce.

Rahzmataz
Apr 29, 2013

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

It's called "Cheating For Charity" and we all play for our own charities, with the pot going to the top two teams in the championship game. It's an IDP league and a key mechanic is that players can donate to increase their FAAB and cheat by swapping out players after they've done well.

In the three years I have done it we've raised over $7K. The competition is fierce.

That actually sounds really fun, and we're up for the idea of giving to charity. Can you PM me some details?

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it
Oh God Cheating for Charity is going to be 20 teams next year isn't it

:stonk:

And the best part is you can cheat in the finals to steal away the title.

Like me. Technically the league champ.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Rahzmataz posted:

That actually sounds really fun, and we're up for the idea of giving to charity. Can you PM me some details?

Here's last year: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3728593

Spoeank posted:

Oh God Cheating for Charity is going to be 20 teams next year isn't it

:stonk:

And the best part is you can cheat in the finals to steal away the title.

Like me. Technically the league champ.

Technical champ best champ.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

You are my underwater, underwater friends!
So Zeke Elliott is the 1.01 pick in redraft leagues, right?

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

Tiptoes posted:

So Zeke Elliott is the 1.01 pick in redraft leagues, right?

Not even close

Veritek83
Jul 7, 2008

The Irish can't drink. What you always have to remember with the Irish is they get mean. Virtually every Irish I've known gets mean when he drinks.

Benne posted:

Not even close

Yeah, I think if you want him in redraft you're probably going to have to take him in the first, but that doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

1.01 in dynasty, though...that's probably right.

Forever_Peace
May 7, 2007

Shoe do do do do do do do
Shoe do do do do do do yeah
Shoe do do do do do do do
Shoe do do do do do do yeah
Anything over half-ppr has got to be Julio/Brown. I don't think I'd even consider anybody else.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

You are my underwater, underwater friends!
I'd honestly take ODB over anyone else but I do think Elliott's a candidate for RB1 in a weak year for RBs. He could make magic behind that line.

VietCampo
Aug 24, 2010
Top 3 WR's are AB/Julio/Hopkins imo

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

VietCampo posted:

Top 3 WR's are AB/Julio/Hopkins imo

I would say OBJ has earned the right to be among those names.

For me the unquestioned first rounders this year are Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, Odell Beckham Jr, and Rob Gronkowski. Everyone else has a question mark. LeVeon Bell, Jamaal Charles, and Dez Bryant are coming off of injury. Adrian Peterson is getting older. Todd Gurley and David Johnson are sophomores. Allen Robinson and AJ Green have questionable QB situations.

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
Does tate deserve an honourable mention now?

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

Metapod posted:

Does tate deserve an honourable mention now?

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Fight Club Sandwich posted:

whoa aaron rodgers has a weekly show?

Not anymore, he kept getting quoted out of context by the media so he cancelled it

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
The Seahawks drafted like 20 RBs, which tells me two things:

1. Rawls' ankle isn't healing as fast as they were expecting/hoping
2. They're still not sold on CMike

So, file away C.J. Prosise in your "late-round flier" columns.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

Metapod posted:

Does tate deserve an honourable mention now?

Honorable mention for what? Definitely not a 1st rounder, almost certainly not a 2nd either. I haven't written them all out to be sure, but pretty confident there are 23 WRs/RBs + Gronk that I'd want ahead of Tate. I'd be super happy with him as my WR2, but pretty unhappy if he's my WR1, and I doubt I'd draft WR/WR if he's the best available WR in the 2nd.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012
2QB, dynasty, full PPR, 4 PT passing TD, which side do you like for two teams looking to compete:

Julio Jones, Teddy Bridgewater, pick 1.10
vs
Cam Newton, Allen Hurns

Team getting Cam needs QB help (only has Teddy, Eli, and Foles), but doesn't really have the depth to lose Julio (probably starting two or three of Marvin Jones, Kevin White, and Rishard Matthews weekly). Team getting Julio would be starting Teddy or Alex Smith as QB2 behind Big Ben after losing Cam, but would be rolling out easily the strongest WR corps (Julio, AJ Green, Keenan Allen, Devante Parker).

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

RVProfootballer posted:

2QB, dynasty, full PPR, 4 PT passing TD, which side do you like for two teams looking to compete:

Julio Jones, Teddy Bridgewater, pick 1.10
vs
Cam Newton, Allen Hurns

Team getting Cam needs QB help (only has Teddy, Eli, and Foles), but doesn't really have the depth to lose Julio (probably starting two or three of Marvin Jones, Kevin White, and Rishard Matthews weekly). Team getting Julio would be starting Teddy or Alex Smith as QB2 behind Big Ben after losing Cam, but would be rolling out easily the strongest WR corps (Julio, AJ Green, Keenan Allen, Devante Parker).

I would not make that trade if I was the team with Cam Newton. Having Newton and Big Ben is a ridiculously solid core, and in 2015 dropping from Newton to Smith/Teddy would have resulted in a loss of around 7 (for Smith) to 11 (for Bridgewater) points per game. Last year Allen Hurns was the WR14, and the difference between Julio and Allen last year was only 4 PPG. Now is it possible that Newton regresses and Bridgewater improves? Sure. But Cam Newton's worst season since 2011 averaged him 17.8 PPG. In a 2QB league Newton's value is incredible and it would take a king's ransom to let him go.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I would not make that trade if I was the team with Cam Newton. Having Newton and Big Ben is a ridiculously solid core, and in 2015 dropping from Newton to Smith/Teddy would have resulted in a loss of around 7 (for Smith) to 11 (for Bridgewater) points per game. Last year Allen Hurns was the WR14, and the difference between Julio and Allen last year was only 4 PPG. Now is it possible that Newton regresses and Bridgewater improves? Sure. But Cam Newton's worst season since 2011 averaged him 17.8 PPG. In a 2QB league Newton's value is incredible and it would take a king's ransom to let him go.

You don't think Hurns likely regresses significantly? 10 TDs seems very unlikely again, no? And are you sure that's his full PPR ranking? Looks like he was WR19 in total points and WR23 in ppg in this league, for what it's worth. Hurns averaged 15 ppg, and Julio 23 ppg.

But yeah, certainly should take a ton to get Newton. I see it as Cam slightly more valuable than Julio, but that small difference + Bridgewater + 1.10 is plenty for a Hurns that'll likely regress and a Bridgewater that will likely improve at least a little over the next few years.

Rahzmataz
Apr 29, 2013

Sounds good, I think we're probably in. Only thing is we might have trouble with the draft (UKers so the time difference is hell). Is autodraft an option?

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
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RVProfootballer posted:

You don't think Hurns likely regresses significantly? 10 TDs seems very unlikely again, no? And are you sure that's his full PPR ranking? Looks like he was WR19 in total points and WR23 in ppg in this league, for what it's worth. Hurns averaged 15 ppg, and Julio 23 ppg.

But yeah, certainly should take a ton to get Newton. I see it as Cam slightly more valuable than Julio, but that small difference + Bridgewater + 1.10 is plenty for a Hurns that'll likely regress and a Bridgewater that will likely improve at least a little over the next few years.

I based the numbers off of FantasyPros, and I thought I had selected PPR. In the end it all depends on our individual perspectives. I think Hurns will regress, sure, but I also think Davante Parker will improve and could easily be a WR1 or WR2 this year. More specifically I think that the PPG disparity between Newton and his replacement will be significantly greater than the disparity between Julio and Hurns or Parker. So in my eyes I wouldn't want that trade.

Veritek83
Jul 7, 2008

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ESPN's mock drafts are supposed to have just gone live for the season, but I haven't actually found them yet. They've been streaming their fantasy rankings summit all day today and it was pretty decent background noise, with a couple of interesting discussions on rankings, injuries and projections. Mike Clay did some interesting stuff on red zone production and projections that I'm hoping gets written up into an article at some point. They're continuing the live stream tomorrow.

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MrSargent
Dec 23, 2003

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Barring some weird offseason bullshit, I don't know how AB84 isn't a unanimous #1 overall in redraft, especially PPR. He dropped to me at 8 last year in a 12-team 0.5PPR which will never happen again.

What exactly is a slow draft? I would be interested in doing some mocks, which is the best site?

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