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I think Havok's powers are cooler than Scott's but they're both pretty big dorks.
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I just really hate Scott. He's one of the main reasons I hate the X-Men so much, and one of the reasons I love the Inhumans so much. His direct counterpart on the Inhumans side - Black Bolt - is the coolest dude ever.
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May 2, 2016 20:18
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Nah, Black Bolt is Magneto.
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May 2, 2016 20:25
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Black Bolts main characteristic is he is so boring they don't even let him talk.
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May 2, 2016 20:27
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Black Bolt is like the definition of a "this character is cool when used rarely but gets less cool the more he's used" character to be. Every time someone writes the Big Scene Of Black Bolt Speaking or its counterpart, Super-Cool Tough Guy Tanks Black Bolt it loses impact and the character himself just seems to work better as a side character and not someone getting focus.
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May 2, 2016 20:28
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I mostly agree. Medusa's really the main character, and the fact that he doesn't ever talk works to his benefit because it makes his relationship with Medusa far more integral, balanced, and interesting than the awful and boring as poo poo will-they-won't-they that Scott and Jean Grey have. God drat it if there's one thing worse than Scott it's Scott and Jean Grey.
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May 2, 2016 20:35
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She's been dead for like 15 years. it's Scott and Emma now.
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May 2, 2016 20:38
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Emma is the second worst X-men character. She is still better than Beast tho.
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May 2, 2016 20:47
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CharlestheHammer posted:She is still better than Beast tho.
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May 2, 2016 20:54
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Dark Beast.
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May 2, 2016 20:57
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I think the worst X-Man is the one Jean scrounged up for Eve of Destruction whose mutant power was having invisible skin.
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May 2, 2016 20:59
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An awful lot of Beast haters in this thread today. 
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May 2, 2016 21:02
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I like Beast in Avengers better than I like him in X-Men. He was best when he went about dressed like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever and was best mates with safari jacket Wonder Man.
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May 2, 2016 21:08
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Are any of the original team liked here? Bobby? Warren?
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May 2, 2016 21:14
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If you don't like Nightcrawler you stink. ed: Unless you meant ORIGINAL original, over reboot original, in which case not really, no.
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May 2, 2016 21:16
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Mr Hootington posted:Are any of the original team liked here? Bobby? Warren? I enjoyed Bendis' kid versions.
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May 2, 2016 21:18
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Cyclops and Jean Grey are cool, but both have had unfortunate decisions foisted on them.
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May 2, 2016 21:18
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Beast can be a really neat character but he almost never is. He was cool on the 90s cartoon.
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May 2, 2016 21:22
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The last X-Men run I enjoyed was Whedon's Astonishing run, and before that, it was early '90s Claremont/Lee Mutant Genesis-era X-Men. But I'll always have a soft spot for Iceman due to Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends. I always wished they had more of a friendship in the comics as a result of that, or worked together more.
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May 2, 2016 21:25
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:The last X-Men run I enjoyed was Whedon's Astonishing run, and before that, it was early '90s Claremont/Lee Mutant Genesis-era X-Men. But I'll always have a soft spot for Iceman due to Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends. I always wished they had more of a friendship in the comics as a result of that, or worked together more. Have you read Ultimate Spider-Man?
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May 2, 2016 21:27
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Travis343 posted:Have you read Ultimate Spider-Man? Just the first TPB, many years ago. I thought it was solid enough, but I never got into the Ultimate universe.
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May 2, 2016 21:32
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I am reading Cable/Deadpool because I have heard good things, and man this starts so boring with the blue man cult, but then gets really cool with the Cable is a God stuff. Does it stay this good? or does it fall back off? Also, early 2000's photoshop brown and grey bloom effect colouring is so boring. If you thumb through the 18 issue collection I have each page looks pretty much the same. Photoshop really destroyed comics for a time
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May 2, 2016 21:34
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Jeff Parker's First Class run of X-Men is my favorite take on the young, original team.
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May 2, 2016 21:35
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CharlestheHammer posted:Black Bolts main characteristic is he is named Blackagar Boltagon.
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May 2, 2016 21:44
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If Maximus wasn't mad do you think people would call him Maxbolt?
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May 2, 2016 21:47
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Just the first TPB, many years ago. I thought it was solid enough, but I never got into the Ultimate universe. Him and Iceman do become pals later on and recreate the Amazing Friends lineup with Johnny Storm in the Firestar role. It's cool.
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May 2, 2016 21:49
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Reading a lot of those 1970s Avengers, the West Coast Avengers a decade later and the Vision & Scarlet Witch miniseries in between (and even one story in Fantastic Four), Steve Englehart really had it in for Quicksilver. It's not the usual "Quicksilver is an rear end in a top hat" characterisation that everyone who writes him does; he seems to go out of his way to portray him as villainously as he can. It's so ridiculous it loops back around and becomes hilarious. Like, all the stuff about being against Wanda marrying the Vision is fairly well-known, but then you get into stuff like the time he was kinda sorta racist against Luke Cage on Martin Luther King Day while arguing that some of his best friends are black, or the time he tried to get both teams of Avengers done for treason, or the time he declared himself "King of the Evil Mutants" after Magneto reformed, or even the time he kidnapped Alicia Masters and abandoned her in a bad part of New York while proclaiming that she'd be at the mercy of rats and roving street gangs.
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May 2, 2016 21:56
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Mr Hootington posted:Are any of the original team liked here? Bobby? Warren? I really enjoyed early X-Factor with them. And I've been digging the time displaced versions we have quite a bit. But I'm not a big X-Men fan in general.
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May 2, 2016 21:58
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I am the only person who liked The Champions. Does that count?Wheat Loaf posted:I like Beast in Avengers better than I like him in X-Men. He was best when he went about dressed like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever and was best mates with safari jacket Wonder Man. Englehart's happy stoner Beast is good. Glimpses of the weird poo poo he and Brand are into are also good.
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May 2, 2016 22:48
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The best part of Ellis's Astonishing X-Men was Cyclops describing Beast and Brand's sex life as "crimes against nature."
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May 2, 2016 23:32
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Stopped reading comics as a kid right in the beginning of the age of apocalypse and didn't pick them back up until about a year and a half ago. I started at Avengers Disassembled and have slowly made my way to the Initiative and the only thing that really confuses me is why is Beast a cat now?
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May 2, 2016 23:37
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AlmightyBob posted:Stopped reading comics as a kid right in the beginning of the age of apocalypse and didn't pick them back up until about a year and a half ago. I started at Avengers Disassembled and have slowly made my way to the Initiative and the only thing that really confuses me is why is Beast a cat now?
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May 2, 2016 23:42
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CapnAndy posted:Grant Morrison wanted to use Colossus in his X-Men run but couldn't because Colossus was dead at the time, so he invented a thing called "secondary mutations" which means mutants can get an all-new power set at random when they're adults. In practice this worked out to Emma gaining the ability to switch to a diamond form where she's super-strong but can't use her telepathy and Beast becoming a cat, and then it was quietly forgotten about and eventually Emma got retconned into being given the extra powers as part of a plot by an enemy of the X-Men and Beast just being really unstable ever since he first dosed himself with that compound to try and look normal. Dang was hoping it was something like "beast got split in half so there's a good cat beast and an evil monster beast"
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May 2, 2016 23:44
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AlmightyBob posted:Stopped reading comics as a kid right in the beginning of the age of apocalypse and didn't pick them back up until about a year and a half ago. I started at Avengers Disassembled and have slowly made my way to the Initiative and the only thing that really confuses me is why is Beast a cat now? Secondary mutations, m'dude! Same reason Emma Frost can turn into diamonds and Archangel's blood can heal people. Except I guess Emma's was done by Cassandra Nova wasn't it? Beast isn't a cat anymore anyway, he's some kind of sasquatch looking thing now. Were there any other memorable 'secondary mutations' that survived New X-Men? I honestly can't remember anyone else's. e: beaten like Catbeast with a baseball bat
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May 2, 2016 23:44
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Mr Hootington posted:Are any of the original team liked here? Bobby? Warren? I like Iceman. Cyclops has his moments but overall is a mess. The little kid versions of Cyclops, Iceman, and Jean are all great. Little Beast is okay but not too thrilled. Little Warren is garbage.
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May 3, 2016 00:43
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AlmightyBob posted:Dang was hoping it was something like "beast got split in half so there's a good cat beast and an evil monster beast"
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May 3, 2016 00:44
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Ghostlight posted:No, evil monster beast is just from another dimension. Comics are loving dumb
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May 3, 2016 01:23
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AlmightyBob posted:Comics are loving dumb Well also another timeline depending on how Marvel feels at the time.
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May 3, 2016 01:26
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AlmightyBob posted:Comics are loving dumb Well he was actually the Beast from the story you said you quit comics on, Age of Apocalypse.
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X-O posted:Well he was actually the Beast from the story you said you quit comics on, Age of Apocalypse. Haha Christ
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