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Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
How many HDDs is a shitton? Because the 600Q only has two 3.5 slots~

I'd consider the Fractal Design R5 or Be Quiet 800

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Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Ephphatha posted:

The K model NUC is significantly smaller, so even though it requires using a m.2 drive it seems worthwhile as it would make it easier to put the box out of the way. The laptop she's using currently has a 750GB HDD but only 60GB is actually used, most of that being used by windows. I figure a 250GB SSD would be fine given she's still not likely to ever fill that space. I'm not sure about the monitor since I've only ever used Dell but I assume VA is fine for reading text so the BenQ should be ok.

Is there anything I should change? Anything I should be looking for instead?
IMO you could save some money here by swapping the NVME SSD for a SATA SSD

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
You can change the country setting on pcpartpicker to get local prices~

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Desktop CPUs launch on the 5th: https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-unveils-8th-gen-intel-core-processor-family-desktop/

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Corsair ML120s are widely recommended

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
The Noctua U12S is not really good value, the Cryorig H7 does basically the same thing for a lot less. Just using the stock cooler is the most cost-efficient option though.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
It's basically nothing compared to the commonly used double heatsink designs:

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Roman posted:

Tried older drivers, got the same errors. Managed to get one install to complete, but now it won't even detect the card. It's getting ridiculous.

If I can't fix this, I just need something that can give me 1920x1080 60 fps on high(ish) settings. I don't care about 4k or whatever
Have you tried DDU? I had a failed AMD driver update that needed it for a clean uninstall

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
It's actually $75 not including the rebate: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151186&ignorebbr=1

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
The 250D actually only has 93mm CPU cooler clearance (since the PSU sits underneath the motherboard), and the top panel has a window rather than an intake so it's probably best to leave 1 or 2 cm of that free. So you're basically limited to coolers like the Noctua L12S, Thermalright AXP-100/200 or Scythe Big Shuriken 2.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
A locked CPU with a 120mm tower heatsink won't come remotely close to throttling. Also dang that case is huge.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

BIG HEADLINE posted:

And that TXM PSU might be 80Gold, but the RMx series are fully-modular and newer. Also look into the EVGA G3 and Seasonic Focus Plus units.
The TXM series is from this year, rated quite highly by Jonnyguru: 750W 850W

Computerbase.de notes that the fan in the 550W model are louder than any high end gold PSU though: https://www.computerbase.de/2017-09/80plus-gold-netzteil-test-corsair-xilence/4/

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

DNK posted:

Is it really worth it to bump to 6 cores instead of 4 for an extra $300?
A $600 8700K would probably be a bad buy imo

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Fedule posted:

Second question: CPU Vendor overclocks. Overclockers have stuff like i3-8350K @ 5.0GHZ for £240. Are these worth the slight pricebump?
At £240 it's the same price as an i5-8400 (or only ~£30 more for an i5-8600K), which I'd prefer to have in almost any scenario. In modern games 4c/4t CPUs can often be beaten or matched by the relatively slow six core Ryzens or stock i5-8400s eg: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-ryzen-5-1600-1600x-vs-core-i5-7500k-review

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Azran posted:

Sadly no such thing here (there's only one consolidated resource for price checking but it's a mess to navigate) but this site is where I normally buy parts (and I was in fact planning to buy this build from there), since they have one of the most complete catalogues I've seen online. The official exchange rate is 17 argentinian pesos to the dollar.
For the same price, I'd consider getting a Ryzen 5 cpu instead of a locked Kaby Lake one: http://www.fullh4rd.com.ar/index.php?section=prod&prod=9505

It also looks like you have the option of paying a bit extra for an 8400 (plus ~$400 for the motherboard)? http://www.fullh4rd.com.ar/index.php?section=prod&prod=10186

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Azran posted:

Regarding PSUs: isn't it kind of overkill to get an 800W+ PSU for something that uses less than 400W? That's why I've limited myself to Bronze cert ones. The PSU's you listed aren't sold by anyone here (there are a few sellers that bring them on request but they require you to get approval from Customs beforehand, which involves a a really slow and annoying bureaucratic process that could take a couple months)

https://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/80%C3%BE-gold-fuentes#D[A:80+-gold-fuentes]

Here's what's normally available in my region. If it has a small plane icon instead of a truck below the name, it means it's an international delivery and it requires that special Customs permit I talked about earlier.
80+ bronze/gold are certifications for efficiency rather than peak wattage. So gold rated PSUs use about 5% less power than bronze (so runs cooler too), and most of the really well made power supplies happen to be gold.

From that site the XFX XTR is made by Seasonic and has a decent review on Jonnyguru, if you want to spend extra on a better PSU.

Llamadeus fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Dec 13, 2017

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Azran posted:

Regarding the cooler, someone over on the goon Discord recommended this to me. It's a Noctua cooler that's barely more expensive than what I'm currently getting, but I was told there's a big difference in the noise department.
Noctua's coolers are good but >100 USD is a lot to spend on a cooler with a 92mm fan, even taking regional pricing into account. Compared with some of these alternatives, at least:

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-689294440-cpu-cooler-deepcool-gammax-400-blue-led-amd-intel-fullh4rd-_JM Budget 120mm tower roughly equivalent to the Hyper 212
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-632274924-cpu-cooler-deepcool-lucifer-v2-rendimiento-extremo-amdintel-_JM A cheap but large 140mm cooler, a bit louder than the high end air coolers https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Deepcool/Lucifer/6.html
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-690684090-cooler-cpu-intel-amd-phanteks-ph-tc14pe-2x-cooler-140mm-oc-_JM Phanteks's double tower cooler

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Scalding Coffee posted:

Are games going to look better if I still use anti-aliasing on a resolution of 1440p or is it diminishing returns?
1440p isn't so sharp that you can't see aliasing. Also...



Modern anti-aliasing techniques are fast enough that their benefits generally outweigh their costs.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Azran posted:

Quick question - between the MSI 1060 (this one) and the Gigabyte 1060 (this one), is there any clear winner? I've been told the MSI one is way better temp-wise (which I don't get because the other one has three fans instead of two), but the Gigabyte one is overall better due to faster clock speeds.
The MSI heatsink and fans are a bit bigger because the card extends further out from the PCIe slot.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
For a high end build like that you can probably afford to step up the CPU cooler to something like a D15S or a 240/280mm liquid cooler. Though a lot of large tower coolers like the regular D15 block the first PCIe slot, which happens to be the graphics card slot on most mATX boards like this one.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Pilchenstein posted:

Thanks for this mate, I really appreciate it. So I tried to look at how much a kit would cost to make that 212EVO fit AM4 but Cooler Master's store is closed until the new year. I did find this on their list of AM4 compatible coolers though: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005HIRDUA/ - would that be up to the task or should I just wait and get a kit for the 212?
Here's a budget cooler that should support AM4 out of the box: https://www.amazon.co.uk/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-Cooler-Compatible/dp/B007JEMXYQ/ as seen in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpjA3TdF6GE&t=672s

Although I think how it works is a lot of coolers that were updated at some point to have AM4 support have a chance of being old stock without a bracket. There are a few other options that have SKUs specifically including a bracket:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SilverStone-SST-AR01-V2-Cooler-Contact-Heatpipe/dp/B071YMDJZ6/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SilverStone-SST-AR01-V2-Cooler-Contact-Heatpipe/dp/B072BBVTL1/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scythe-Scmg-5100-Computer-Cooling-Black/dp/B06ZYB8K77/

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Q8ee posted:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/zpTYpb

What do you all think? Upgrading from a GTX970 rig, i5-4670k. Only thing I'm not sure of is whether it's worth me buying a brand new motherboard to replace my Asus Z97-PRO mobo. I think I do due to the newer CPU.
Is that a new PSU? Because it's both more power than you need and not particularly good value at that price.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
For comparison, the EVGA P2 850W is £134 right now. But a more sensible 650W PSU option would be something like the RM650x or the equivalent gold unit from EVGA, Seasonic, etc.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
You can save ~$55 here by upgrading to an i5-8600K and a Z370 board.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Fractal Design just released the R6 this week with a bunch of minor changes and improvements, like... an extra fan at the front, no side panel fan slot. Also the option for USB type C on the front panel (sold separately)

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

CubanMissile posted:

So I already purchased an i5-8400 and I was planning on pairing it with a 6gb 1060, but a buddy is selling me his 1070 for $300 so I'll probably jump on that. Will I run into a bottleneck on my CPU? Should I try to return it and go with an 8600k instead? I plan on gaming at 2560 x 1440 60Hz
At 1440p60 I doubt there's any practical bottleneck at all. See these benchmarks at 1440p with a 1080Tihttps://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3157-intel-i5-8600k-review-overclocking-vs-8700k-8400/page-2, the 1070 equivalent would be even closer.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
The default turbo for the 8600K is 4.3 GHz single core and 4.1 GHz all core so 4.2 would be a pretty conservative overclock :v:

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Black Sunshine posted:

TL;DR
I need a short list of the absolute best aircoolers in regards to airflow.
Needs to be under 160mm tall
No Noctuas
For overall price/performance I'd get a Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B. If price is no object and you don't want default Noctua colours, a Noctua D15S with a black Chromax NF-A15 fan. Although it might not fit since it's exactly 160mm tall according to specs.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
The 400C is already on the smaller end for mainstream ATX cases. To go smaller you'll have to go a bit more niche with something like the Cerberus X: http://www.sliger.com/products/cases/kic10x/

ITX with an SFX PSU is the way to go for actual small footprints though, eg with an NCase M1: https://www.sfflab.com/products/ncase_m1

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
According to this the H100i fits, though it might be tight: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xhd3QG2uIVBgQ7vHgpP_Bd_MNcrfxr8KJW2sY6g33so/edit#gid=10

There's also the (not yet released) Ghost S1 which has a compartment specifically for radiators: http://louqe.com/

Llamadeus fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Jan 13, 2018

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
The SFF Dells can fit a low profile 1050 or 1050ti, which seems more sensible than replacing the entire case and PSU.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

mattfl posted:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.90 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks - PH-TC12LS_BK 53.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($31.93 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - H270M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($95.39 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($108.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo EVOLV ITX Mini ITX Tower Case ($73.00 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $589.10

I already have storage as well.

Wanted to keep it as a smaller build size wise. Would've loved to build it in a Dan A4 or NCase M1 but those are more than what I want to pay for case.
Maybe a Cougar QBX? It's larger than the NCase M1 but a lot cheaper, and much smaller than the Evolv. Though it might need one or two extra intake fans. It also takes ATX PSUs that are 140mm deep PSU like the Seasonic Focus Plus.

Also obligatory: the 7th gen Intel CPUs are basically obsolete now, the equivalent 8th gens are either better value or have more cores, eg the new unlocked i3 is $170 but faster than the previous i5. Also might as well get a Z board for an unlocked chip anyway.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

mattfl posted:

I do like the cougar case, can't select it on pcpartpicker though
If you do go with the QBX, it can't fit PSUs longer than 140mm though, which most higher end units are. Corsair CXM/TXM and Seasonic's Focus Plus are exceptions.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Rexxed posted:

Jonnyguru gave the 750 Watt CXM a 7.1/10 http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=416 with a lot of points off for build quality.
That's the old CXM model, they've been redesigned in the last couple of years: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=486
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-cx650m-psu,4770-11.html

The new CX/CXMs seem to be considered amongst the best in their price category, but the Seasonic bronze is from 2010 and due for a refresh.

Taffer posted:

That's a good recommendation but unfortunately I need SFX form factor, I should have specified that in the previous post.
The CX550M isn't SFX either, the SF450 and SF600 are Corsair's (only) SFX PSUs.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Apollodorus posted:

You mean the i5-8400 stock cooling is as good as it needs to be, yeah? I know that's part of why I'm not trying to stretch to the i7-8700k--I've never built a desktop before and would rather not have to mess around with the most important part because I'm sure I'd screw it up.
It's sufficient, and using expensive thermal paste won't improve it much because at the end of the day it's still a small aluminium heatsink with a cheap fan on it.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Using all your fans as exhausts would result negative pressure, but imo it's preferable to have positive pressure in the case for more effective dust filtration.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

fletcher posted:

The big heatsinks are so ugly though :(

Don't talk to me or my son ever again

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
IIRC the Dells (the full sized tower ones that is, the SFF ones don't fit ATX PSUs at all) fit 140mm deep PSUs, eg: Corsair's CX/CXM/TXM, Bitfenix Formula Gold and Seasonic's Focus series for higher end units. It's also a fairly common size for low end power supplies.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
I don't think the G3 would fit, EVGA's site has it as 150mm deep. That tab basically allows for no extra leeway in depth.

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Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
The U12S isn't particularly good from a pure value standpoint either, there are some well regarded cheaper coolers that outperform the U12S like these:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4TCrxr/thermalright-cpu-cooler-machorevb

The bigger Noctua U14S is close in price too.

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