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Can someone give me one example ever of a presidential candidate attempting to pivot actually working? And I mean ever, not even when they've said the most obvious authoritarian poo poo like Trump.
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Revenants Return posted:Hillary Clinton So basically, if you've been paying attention to politics for more than 5 minutes, no.
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May 6, 2016 00:40
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Vox Nihili posted:Every candidate in every election. Ahuh. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagan pivoted on what exactly in the general? And because I know you're dumb, I said in the general. Not after taking office. Or is this another "all politicians do it" thing where no-one does it because it would just screw them over?
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May 6, 2016 02:45
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Vox Nihili posted:Every candidate in every election. Fulchrum posted:Ahuh. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagan pivoted on what exactly in the general? And because I know you're dumb, I said in the general. Not after taking office. So a week later, nobody can give a single example of any presidents doing this mythical pivot?
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May 10, 2016 23:32
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Helsing posted:Basically every major president ever has made major pivots on foreign policy. Woodrow Wilson ran on the promise to keep America out of the First World War. Franklin Delano Roosevelt campaigned on the promise to keep America out of the Second World War. Johnson ran against Goldwater in 1964 by presenting him as a dangerous war mongering extremist but as soon as Johnson had won he began to escalate America's military involvement in Vietnam. Nixon pivoted on China, Reagan reversed his early stance about the USSR and ended up negotiating several arms treaties, George W. Bush specifically condemned "nation building" efforts during the 2000 campaign but then attempted his own nation building experiments in the Middle East. Well done, you've managed to spend two paragraphs without even reading the drat question. I said pivoting between the primary and the general, not the primary and the presidency. All of those stances you laid out, each of those men ran on those same positions when they were representing the party.
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May 11, 2016 00:10
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Homestar Runner posted:Trump pivoted his stance on minimum wage and taxes literally just yesterday How are you all so very very bad at this? People who pivot between the primary and the general always lose, because the only people who can ever have their minds changed are the most brain dead idiots possible. So basically butt hurt Bernie Babies and Cruz's losers. This is why I kept asking for instances where the pivot worked, or where it didn't screw them over and deny them the presidency. Now, for the third time, can you provide any counterarguments to pivoting being a proven loser no experienced capable politician would try? Fulchrum has issued a correction as of 10:10 on May 11, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 10:01
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Oh yeah, that was totally a major core plank of Obamas campaign that he betrayed to appeal to a different group. Thereby being anywhere close to what I asked for. Lemme guess, you're going to say he "pivotted" on the number of states, next.
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May 11, 2016 13:49
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