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Aww, there was kind of a real trailer, kind of, sort of, I guess, for Wonder Woman. You just had to endure Geoff Johns and Kevin Smith's narration to watch it.
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Oh man. This film gave me the biggest headache. But like in a good way. In a sensory overload kind of way. And not even just in that way, but also like...a way where I was really, seriously, absolutely emotionally-invested in everything that was going on. Like, I cared too much and felt too much and the feedback was actually painful.  Possible controversial opinion alert! I thought the threeway fight between Cap, Tony, and Bucky at the end was better-done and more captivating than the airport fight. The latter was a spectacle and well worth the price of admission. The former though...holy poo poo. I felt more for Tony Stark in ten minutes than I have in five whole other tolerable-to-great films. To see that rage coming, to know exactly where the plot was leading and how everything came full circle to that exact reaction between those three characters...I think that is easily one of the top five favorite Marvel film moments for me. More thoughts to come. After I gorge on some Advils.
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May 6, 2016 08:55
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Oh yeah and how 'bout that young Tony Stark. Witchcraft is what it is.
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May 6, 2016 11:23
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The thing I liked was that Steve was obviously being driven by his personal feelings instead of his brains and not thinking about the situation that clearly throughout the story, but as soon Tony's own personal history with his parents got tossed in the situation, he absolutely became the one who wasn't thinking straight while Steve had to try to rein him in.
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May 6, 2016 22:10
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Something else I liked is that it seems that they're leaning movie Hawkeye more towards comic Hawkeye at least in personality. Much more of the brash loudmouth semi-fuckup Hawkguy.ImpAtom posted:Captain America took an untrained Scarlet Witch on missions and it killed a dozen people because she wasn't prepared for it Like Cap said to her, things are going to go wrong in combat situations, and some of it is going to be directly your own faults (keeping in mind that, yeah, some of it in this situation was directly Cap's fault), but the alternative is just that no one gets saved and everyone gets hurt. And it's dubious how the Accords would actually change that. If the U.N. are now the ones sending superhumans like Wanda into combat situations, does that mean she's just automatically gonna do all the right things in all the right situations 100% of the time?
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May 6, 2016 22:58
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Boogaleeboo posted:.......morality was never an issue raised, sanity was. The Accords are a bunch of politicians telling a group, whose defining moment was ignoring the orders of a bunch of politicians in order to save New York by the way, that it'd be a good idea if they listen to politicians. This is not a viable solution to anything.
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May 6, 2016 23:12
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X-O posted:I thought going in that the line from the trailer "He's my friend" "So was I" was going to be the big emotional punch in the final fight, but they actually used a different take where Tony doesn't sound sad about it but more pissed about it when he says it. The line "I don't care. He killed my Mom." was the real emotional punch during that fight. That was a rough one. The actual context is more like Cap saying "Please don't kill my friend" while Tony is saying "I don't give a poo poo." Tony isn't sad that Cap is choosing Bucky over him, he's simply so pissed that he no longer considers himself to be Cap's friend. It's kind of amazing.
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May 6, 2016 23:56
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There might be that, but I think Zemo was reasonably confident that even the best non-Avengers, non-superhuman squads wouldn't be able to kill Bucky. Remember his "more powerful men than me have tried to kill the Avengers" spiel, and I think he would think of Bucky as the same fundamental class of being as Cap and the rest. And he knew Cap would be there to protect Bucky, anyway.
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May 7, 2016 08:13
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twistedmentat posted:I liked how Tony says "I wish we had a Hulk right now" and Rhodey says "You think he'd be on our side?".
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May 7, 2016 21:50
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That's true. v v
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May 7, 2016 22:17
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" That is dangerously arrogant thinking." -WARMACHINEROXI mean something something socialism something but still, it's a pretty far stretch from "literal mind control" to "you can't just do anything you want without consequence."
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May 8, 2016 02:45
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Hey how come they're able to make a Black Panther suit that looks totally functional and flexible while we still can't get a Batman suit that can turn its head
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May 8, 2016 03:46
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That would be Florence Kasumba. She's more prolific in Germany, apparently (because she is German  ).
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May 9, 2016 16:39
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Phylodox posted:I thought Peggy only had one brother, who died childless.
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May 9, 2016 17:14
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I'm really hoping against hope that they're gonna use the Captain Marvel movie to suddenly frontload a bunch of iconic-ish female characters all at once, like Jennifer, Jessica, Monica, Abigail Brand...and, hell, throw Hope Van Dyne in there too. It's the perfect opportunity and context to highlight a women-heavy heroic cast, and Marvel has shown multiple times by now that they're capable of doing ensemble stories.
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May 9, 2016 23:56
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X-O posted:Abigail Brand is a mutant and mostly has appeared in X-Books. I'd guess she's with Fox. Play up the alien hybrid thing and downplay dat mutant poo poo which is technically a big ol' retcon anyway.
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May 10, 2016 00:10
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:So is the Supergirl Tv series as horrible as it looks? I was going to give it a shot, but then saw a TV spot for the first episode that actually took the time to have Ally Mcbeal explain to the audience that the title "SuperGIRL isn't sexist, I'm a girl and I'm a successful business woman! You're sexist for thinking it's sexist!" And I decided nope, not for me. e: Okay, I mean on network TV, not Netflix. It's certainly no Daredevil, obvs. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 02:13 on May 10, 2016 |
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May 10, 2016 02:07
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That sounds pretty cool, honestly. ...Wait, if he already got the motherboxes back in the Communion scene then why is he still looking for them in Justice League?
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May 12, 2016 21:14
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Oh.lomzus posted:So the Hollywood Reporter are saying that Lupita Nyong'o is in negotiations to star in Black Panther.
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May 12, 2016 21:28
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I mean...Shuri is T'Challa's sister and the princess of the nation so it'd be kinda weird if she wasn't around at all. She's a pretty important character anyway. I think more readers are more aware of her nowadays than they would be of any other Black Panther supporting character. I am, at least.
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May 12, 2016 22:02
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I agree that "Tony manipulated Peter against Captain America" is getting a bit overblown. I don't think it's that strange, given the events of the film, for Peter to side against Cap with or without Tony's rhetorics. The part where it came across like Tony was being incredibly manipulative was when he, like, threatened to tell Aunt May about Peter being Spider-Man unless Peter comes to Germany. It's like the most rear end in a top hat thing he could do to someone, unless I'm reading the moment wrong.
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May 13, 2016 20:37
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I really, really, really want X-Men Apocalypse to be good. Or at least enjoyable. It's all well and good that all these MCU films are succeeding and we get to be all "these comic characters from my childhood are being done right!" but like, I was never a big fan of Cap or Iron Man or Thor or whatever growing up. The X-Men are my real faves. The X-Men are my home. (  )
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May 15, 2016 22:44
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I don't think it's possible at all to integrate mutants into the MCU at this point. We've passed the event horizon of...being able to do that. It would mess up too many concepts. Now, if the idea is for Marvel Studios to be able to make X-Men movies again, but in its own separate storyline apart from the Avengers/Thanos stuff...well, that could be cool, but I have a feeling it would stretch the studio too thin. Even now they're not able to produce that many films all that quickly. In which case, why not have two different studios producing these films? Honestly, the best scenario would just be for Fox to make good X-Men films. Which shouldn't be that out of the question!
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May 15, 2016 23:09
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There were some genuinely great, well-executed moments in DoFP. The conversation between old Xavier and young Xavier...the idea that Charles Xavier is such a powerful telepath because of his capacity for empathy and hope and not because he can control your brain or whatever...is one of the best-written Xavier anythings I've ever seen.Professor X posted:It's not their pain you're afraid of, it's yours, Charles. And as frightening as it may be, that pain will make you stronger. If you allow yourself to feel it, embrace it, it will make you more powerful than you ever imagined. It's the greatest gift we have, to bear their pain without breaking, and it's born from the most human power: Hope.
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May 16, 2016 03:51
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Ignite Memories posted:But the Nova Corps are established as regular space cops, with no mention of special powers as far as I could tell. Isn't this a significant difference from the comic book nova corps? They just didn't have powers because that's what James Gunn wanted. It's not some contractual thing. (Also those spaceships are loving great and I will never tire of saying so)
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May 16, 2016 22:01
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War of Kings is nothing to joke about.
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May 16, 2016 22:20
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mikeraskol posted:Sort of a ridiculous thing to say when you haven't seen the contract and we have at least one example of a situation where the contract operates in this fashion - Marvel can use Skrulls but they can't use Super Skrull.  Super Skrull is associated with the Fantastic Four. Richard Rider and Sam Alexander are not. Why would Fox own these characters? I'm not talking about Frankie Raye at all. Who cares about her? I was clearly talking about the Nova that is associated with the Nova Corps, in response to Toxx's claim that they might only be able to use the Corps and not the singular Novas. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 23:45 on May 16, 2016 |
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May 16, 2016 23:43
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The article does mention that the WB still wants to remain filmmaker-driven, so my guess is that Johns will mostly just be there to make broad yes-or-no suggestions about what fits or doesn't fit for these characters. "Should Batman shoot down mooks with a gun?" "No, that's a bit extreme." "Would he rip off their arms instead?" "OH HELL YEA" Still, I dunno how qualified Johns will be at basically running a film division. And I don't know who this Berg guy is at all. For what it's worth, I do think Johns will have a better creative vision than Snyder, whose creative vision just wasn't resonating with fans or broader moviegoing audiences or -- for some reason -- my Communist kinsmen in China.
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May 18, 2016 05:19
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Flash, Teen Titans, Superman, JSA.
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May 18, 2016 13:15
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Starsnostars posted:Wasn't Johns involved in the Green Lantern movie? I'm surprised they would put him back near the movie department after that. To put things in perspective, Kevin Feige also produced Blade Trinity, X3, and Fantastic Four 2.
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May 18, 2016 13:30
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Apparently Snyder once referenced this Youtube video of Batman's total kill counts in an effort to explain why his Batman kills people in BvS. The creator of that video, who does a podcast for comicbookmovies.com, talked about how annoyed he was at that because the whole point of the video was to show how absurd it is for Batman to kill so many people and not for people to think "Hey look Batman totally kills people so you should feel free to have him kill people." (It was pretty funny, I generally enjoy that podcast) Snyder might "know" these characters. But the way he portrays them, whether by intent or mistake, often makes it seem like he doesn't actually get the point of the stuff that he "knows." If it's by mistake, then that speaks to ineptitude. If it's by intent, then that's just annoying.
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May 18, 2016 22:34
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MacheteZombie posted:Are you sure? The video could be rehosted, but it says it was published almost a year after BvS finished filming. Or I might be wrong. I don't know (or remember) what Snyder said about the video, I just heard the video creator complaining about it.
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May 18, 2016 23:14
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Geoff Johns Promises To Bring "Hope And Optimism" To The DC Films UniverseTravis343 posted:Do you have a loving red phone in your study that beeps when somebody mentions BvS in this thread and you push a button in Shakespeare's neck then slide down a pole and post feverishly on your giant atomic computer or what
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May 19, 2016 00:25
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Man, I keep forgetting JMS is a big part of Sense8. I wonder why I would forget that.
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May 21, 2016 22:24
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I think a lot of it will depend on the tone and presentation of the spoilers. If the WW trailer comes out and it evokes the same laborious over-serious feel of BvS then it's gonna get the negative buzz going again. If it can avoid that and promote a more asskicking warriors-versus-Nazis tone then I think it can build up some pretty enthusiastic hype. e: Oh wait, not Nazis. Other bad guys, I guess.
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May 24, 2016 23:43
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It's a great moment of interpersonal interaction that utilizes all four characters involved in the most entertaining, effective way. So of course we have to dissect and deconstruct and dismantle it to see why it's actually, secretly not good instead.
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May 26, 2016 23:32
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It doesn't seem like Singer has gotten the hang of balancing an ensemble cast even after, like, sixteen years. Some folks I anecdotally trust have mentioned good things about the film though, so I'm keeping positive. Oh god please don't suck rear end.
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May 27, 2016 00:21
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I can see people not liking the Steve and Sharon relationship, but I don't get the "no homo" idea at all considering that the two characters had been flirting with each other periodically up to this point, she's literally his girlfriend from the comics, and he had been with Peggy in the first film anyway.
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May 27, 2016 18:11
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Something else to consider is that Sharon wouldn't have just heard about Steve Rogers from her aunt; she would have heard a fair bit about Bucky Barnes as well. It makes sense for her to be as invested in helping Bucky as she is in helping Steve. Heck, she has more motivation to do so than most of Team Cap.
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Okay I really liked X-Men: Apocalypse. We're now three for three on X-Men films that looked real lovely but ended up being pretty good. I mean...okay...I can appreciate that it's kind of a mess of a movie that doesn't respect its audience nearly enough and handholds us through its mess of scenes and dialogue and...heh..."plot." But I think overall things got stronger and stronger the longer the film went and was no longer bogged down alternately ponderous and schizophrenic scenes about nothing worth saying. The whole "Mystique leads the X-Men" thing came across much better and much more intelligently than I was expecting, building naturally off of the previous films' storylines. That was really the thing I worried about most going in and I was glad they managed to make it work. I think this film has more heart than intelligence, but it does still manage to give us an enjoyable, memorable result. And let me just say that there are scenes in this film that I have waited literal decades in order to see depicted onscreen and what this film did with it exceeded even what I had envisioned in my head. UNLEASH YOUR POWAAH JEEEEAAN Oh yeah and I loved that dumb metal X thing that Magneto made when he switched sides. It was so dumb and melodramatic but I loved it a whole lot. Also Quicksilver. Fuuuck. Look, I'm the first to say that the DOFP Quicksilver scene was a little overblown and overrated but this one is legitimately well worth the hype. All in all I'm kinda looking forward to seeing this again. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 10:09 on May 29, 2016 |
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