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Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Wasn't Hank hitting Janet supposed to be an accident during his madness induced rantings? It always felt like Hank's reputation as an abusive husband stemmed more from people taking it out of context rather than because he actually is one (in 616 at least).

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Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Lurdiak posted:

He gave her a black eye and then she divorced him. You can't really spin that as "not really wife beating".

I went ahead and looked it up just to be sure, which led me to this blog post by Jim Hooter who wrote Avengers 213 where it happened.

"In that story (issue 213, I think), there is a scene in which Hank is supposed to have accidentally struck Jan while throwing his hands up in despair and frustration—making a sort of “get away from me” gesture while not looking at her. Bob Hall, who had been taught by John Buscema to always go for the most extreme action, turned that into a right cross! There was no time to have it redrawn, which, to this day has caused the tragic story of Hank Pym to be known as the “wife-beater” story."

http://jimshooter.com/2011/03/hank-pym-was-not-wife-beater.html/

I'm not trying to make the claim that he didn't hurt her, but that it was an accident on his part. I'm not exactly an expert on what qualifies as wife beating, so go ahead and correct me if accidents are a part of that (being completely genuine about that). Of course, I don't really blame Janet for divorcing him at that point anyway, regardless of the fact that it was an accident or not since he was hardly husband of the year material before then either.

I really hope I'm not coming across as trying to defend domestic abuse here, which is why I'd welcome being corrected on that if that's the case.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I wasn't aware of the aftermath, as I figured it was still written as having been an accident. So I guess that's that.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Mantis pretty easily became my favorite Guardian after I was disappointed with how Phyla-Vell turned out.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Really glad that Mantis is going to be in Guardians 2.

Not exactly sold on Wonder Woman yet, but knowing me, I'll probably go see it no matter how good/bad it is.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Clearly they should make an MCU X-Men movie with Mojo as the main villain.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I like Doom because I find him to be over the top and really hammy, not because of any serious character depth, kind of like Black Manta.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Wasn't Ledger's death an accident?

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

site posted:

I thought he od'd

From what I remember, he accidentally overdose'd on his prescription medication by trying to rush through it as fast he could.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I want to give them benefit of the doubt and just assume they were trying to emphasize the costume, but I really wouldn't surprised if it was for sex appeal.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

SirDan3k posted:

All the talk of boob manipulation and nobody mentions the weekend intern level color correction?

50% opacity brushes everywhere.

In all fairness, I know nothing about this sort of thing.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

These last few days have been a roller coaster ride of liking and then hating DC.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Not a fan of Flash or Cyborg's designs, but Teen Titans had the only design for Cyborg I've liked, including the comics. Just making him bald does so much for his design in general.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Hulk being in the new Thor is the only thing that's made me interested in seeing it so far.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016


Say no more, I'm there at release.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Dacap posted:

Spider-Man concept art, don't really like this look for the Vulture but I guess they had to differentiate him from Falcon



It looks like he glued Green Goblin's glider onto his back.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016



This was a pretty neat detail

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

How Harley Quinn Takes On Our Hyper-Sensitive World: http://screenrant.com/suicide-squad-harley-quinn-costume-controversy/

I can't wait for Harley Quinn to end the menace of Political Correctness

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I think in TAS Harley's a pretty good mix between being entertaining and funny in her own right, while being sympathetic and tragic for the abuse and manipulation she's suffered at the hands of the Joker.

She's definitely a character that's very easy to flanderize and write horribly, like in the Arkham games.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I don't think I could handle a terrible live action Teen Titans movie.

I already feel like an idiot for sticking with the team through so much garbage lately.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

The whole bribing Rotten Tomatoes thing doesn't make sense to me because the site just aggregates reviews as far as I'm aware.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

It sucks seeing these movies come out and then get panned so hard. I want DC's movie to be good since I like them more than Marvel in general, but each movie comes out and seems to just demonstrate that their movie division has no idea what it's doing so far.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

My sister gets free tickets at the movie theater she works at, so I might see it, but I'm not paying for it.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Saw Suicide Squad last night. I have to echo what most everybody else has been saying about it. Characters are generally alright, Deadshot, Harley, and Diablo are the stand outs. Boomerang, Croc, and Katana were just there, and I could not give any less of a poo poo about Flagg and Enchantress. Waller was an idiot, which I suppose is pretty spot on from the comics. The editing was definitely the biggest problem, and it was ridiculous how so many scenes felt pointless.

Toxxupation posted:

A Lobo movie, huh? And a Sirens AND a BoP movie in development simultaneously? Really shooting the moon on that one.

Also I'd question how a TT movie would work considering that there's no Robin and one of its other founding members is a Justice League member now, but you know, whatever.

If I could be allowed to write what I'd like to happen in a Teen Titans movie:

If I had any sort of influence at DC and was working on adapting Teen Titans, but couldn't use any sidekick characters, then I would probably do it this way. First, I'd do a Doom Patrol movie that uses their classic Silver Age line up, with the plot being about the introduction of Beast Boy to the team (similar to how Wolverine and Rogue are introduced to the X-Men in that movie). The movie would end like the Silver Age run with most of the Doom Patrol dead, except for Beast Boy. Then comes the Teen Titans movie, bringing back Beast Boy while introducing Raven, Starfire, and either Static or Jaime. While the Doom Patrol movie could be about Beast Boy learning the ropes of being a hero and settling into his new family before having them harshly taken away, Teen Titans could be about him being thrust into a leadership position, while also having to learn to get over fearing another loss and allow himself to become attached to people again. Raven's arc could be about learning to accept herself as a valid human being, Starfire's arc could be about reconciling being a warrior with being a superhero, and Static or Jaime could act as the new comer that's in Beast Boy's position in the Doom Patrol movie. Villain could be the Brotherhood of Evil to further tie it into Doom Patrol.

I have to admit that writing comics and/or movies is a bit of a fantasy of mine, so I sometimes let my mind wander thinking up plots for this stuff.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

After I got home from Suicide Squad last night, I got dragged into watching Catwoman and Fantastic Four (2005) with some friends. That Catwoman movie was like some sort of fever dream, Jesus Christ.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

BiggerBoat posted:

Can anyone name a film prior to 2014 where editing was ever even mentioned, brought up or noticed at all? For good or for ill? Aside from porno movies I mean. Like, in ANY way? I can't. The gently caress is going on in the god damned editing room these days? You'd think it'd get easier with not having to physically cut out strips of film and poo poo like that but it seems like suddenly every loving film on the planet was edited poorly.

Catwoman.

It's rare for that movie to keep a single shot for more than three seconds before jumping to another shot.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Wonder Woman killed Bruce's parents herself in the movies.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I prefer to not let the fact that college frat bros love a movie for the wrong reasons get in the way of me liking what I think is a pretty good movie.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I think he means he thought his part was a bigger part of the movie than it actually was.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Why is this a continuing argument after they said they won't give a gently caress in the long run?

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Me and Xinder (who I knew from another forum) have been spending the past hour coming up with matching DC characters/teams with random directors.

Highlights include:
David Lynch on Doom Patrol and Animal Man.
Edgar Wright on Teen Titans and an Atom movie after kicking out the previous director halfway through.
Quentin Tarantino on Suicide Squad
Martin Scorsese on Blue Beetle
I think we also put on Edgar Wright on Booster Gold, followed by James Cameron on Booster Golds
Joss Whedon on Deathstroke
Christopher Nolan on Green Arrow
Clint Eastwood on Vigilante
Tim Burton on a solo Raven movie
Steven Spielberg on Justice League
Zack Snyder on Red Hood
JJ Abrams on Green Lantern
Ridley Scott on Legion of Superheroes
Francis Ford Coppola on Flash


Please hire us DC, we can save you with this amazing clusterfuck.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Endless Mike posted:

Why in god's name would you put Joss Whedon on anything?



We just thought it would be funny if we put a guy who makes lots of jokes and quips on a character that's normally super-serious

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Well, if we're bringing back dead directors, then clearly we need DW Griffith to make the John Stewart movie.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Its a shame that most of the JLI has fallen into relative obscurity. Would be interesting to see a live action depiction of those characters instead of the usual main stays.

And for the record, I support Hugo Weaving or Liam Neeson as Doctor Fate.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Travis343 posted:

Cast the entire DCU, I don't care. Let's go big.

I nominate Toronto, Canada as Danny the Street.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

WickedHate posted:

This is the first thing to ever make me want to see the Strange movie, because he's utterly right. No matter where else Zack Snyder has fallen, the Watchmen movie is the perfect adaption and one of the best movies I've ever seen. It gets across so much complex poo poo so artistically that even having only seen it and not the book, I still warmed myself just recently while in the hospital by going over the detailed ideas and messages it gets across while also being impeccably stylish and entertaining.

Wouldn't you actually have to have read the source material to know if it's a perfect adaptation or not?

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I know people say that the ending of the movie version made more sense, but I think it was changed so that the ending could be streamlined for the sake of it being a movie, rather than because it made more sense.

But that's not what I think makes the ending worse.

In my opinion, the fake alien isn't what's missing from the scene, it's the grotesque horror of New York being covered in mutilated corpses, with blood running down buildings and the streets. It really sells what a horrible event it is seeing the actual devastation of New York laid out over those pages, compared to the clean and sterile version of the movie just being a crater. It's a weird move considering how much the movie has reveled in violence and gore up until that point. It's sort of a similar reason why I think Evangelion's gore works, while Elfen Lied's falls so flat for me. One is gory in a realistic manner, while the other is just gallons of red paint being sprayed all over the place.

There's other things that bother me about the ending change. For instance, I don't think it makes any more sense that the world unites because of Doctor Manhattan going rogue instead of a fake alien. They're both external threats, which is the point, but I think arguing endlessly about that is really dumb anyway.


That's just the biggest difference between the two that I think makes the film version less than perfect. I could nitpick about minor things like Ozymandias' costume being changed just to make an in-joke about Batnipples, or how the way Rorshach speaks sounds like he's trying too hard to sound scary rather than the calm and monotone sociopath he was in the comic, but that's more trivial complaints than anything else.

Also, I have to agree with what some other people were saying. The soundtrack choices at certain points are laughable. I really could not take the Vietnam scene with Ride of the Valkyries playing over it seriously at all, and I don't think that was supposed to be the point.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

I realize that, that's why I said I think that the ending was changed more to streamline it for a movie, rather than because it inherently made more sense.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Why do they insist on giving him this bulky rear end armor that never looks good in anything?

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Roth
Jul 9, 2016

We'd be here all day if we kept up which characters are rip-offs of which, and which company has done it worse.

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