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Dreddout posted:This robot shows competence on par with someone who has just been startled awake. so... we can gently caress it right?
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It's not just the service industry, it's hitting the legal industry as well. My current project involves training an algorithm what to look for in automatically redacting legal documents. I am literally putting myself out of a loving job.
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^^^ also thisRobattoJesus posted:The checkout machine at my local supermarket requires supervision 40% of the time, it didn't stop them sacking 10 cashiers and replacing them with 10 robots and a fat old lady with a swipe card who presses buttons when the machines gently caress up (which is all the goddamn time) it's hilarious watching people shrug off a 90% workforce reduction because it literally isn't every employee replaced
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Germstore posted:Wouldn't you want an automated judge? This is a far more interesting question than the surgeon and driver stuff (which is only a matter of time). But a robot judge would be almost impossible because how the gently caress do you codify morality and fairness into a set of logical rules that a robot can follow?
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Mange Mite posted:No you really can't How would they ever 3d map every road in the country? Strap a 3d scanner on the top of cars and pay people to drive them around? Pfft, that's never going to happen, some company would have to pay a huge amount of money to get such a view of the street, a Street View if you will.
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May 8, 2016 16:58
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Mange Mite posted:No you really can't why not?
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May 8, 2016 16:59
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RobattoJesus posted:This is a far more interesting question than the surgeon and driver stuff (which is only a matter of time). But a robot judge would be almost impossible because how the gently caress do you codify morality and fairness into a set of logical rules that a robot can follow? Actually that's the easy part, the hard part is being able to turn the extremely vague and weird world into something that can enter a deductive logical process, which is almost impossible and is specifically the thing computers are the worst at
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May 8, 2016 17:00
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runupon cracker posted:^^^ also this So what's the end game here? A poo poo ton of unemployed, bored, hungry people is a recipe for disaster.
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May 8, 2016 17:00
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runupon cracker posted:why not? There's some big papers done on the subject but basically no Google's approach does not scale well and will not work in the foreseeable future
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May 8, 2016 17:01
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Ronwayne posted:So what's the end game here? A poo poo ton of unemployed, bored, hungry people is a recipe for disaster. probably going to eventually have to suck it up and instate some sort of universal minimum income.
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May 8, 2016 17:02
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I think a lot of people are underestimating how complex surgery is.
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May 8, 2016 17:03
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opus111 posted:I think a lot of people are underestimating how complex surgery is. Apparently it's as hard as being a grocery store cashier
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May 8, 2016 17:04
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Ronwayne posted:So what's the end game here? A poo poo ton of unemployed, bored, hungry people is a recipe for disaster. Something something NWO something Mega City One something should have studied STEM something we'll just retrain them for the new market something gig economy something
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May 8, 2016 17:05
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Hogge Wild posted:id like to see ais try to replace my shitposting poor, naive fool http://imgur.com/gallery/18R0C they already have and it was so good at it Microsoft shut it down in a panic
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May 8, 2016 17:06
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:poor, naive fool Ok this is the best argument for ai so far
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May 8, 2016 17:09
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Mange Mite posted:Apparently it's as hard as being a grocery store cashier This kind of wilful idiocy is going to be hard for robots to replicate.
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May 8, 2016 17:10
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Mange Mite posted:Apparently it's as hard as being a grocery store cashier what do you do for a living
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May 8, 2016 17:19
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Ronwayne posted:So what's the end game here? A poo poo ton of unemployed, bored, hungry people is a recipe for disaster. maybe mass human death, maybe full communism? it could go either way i suppose. of course even full communism would be a bandaid, if we ever make a computer thats actually smarter than a human we are finished as a species.
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May 8, 2016 17:19
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citybeatnik posted:It's not just the service industry, it's hitting the legal industry as well. My current project involves training an algorithm what to look for in automatically redacting legal documents. I am literally putting myself out of a loving job.
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May 8, 2016 17:21
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citybeatnik posted:It's not just the service industry, it's hitting the legal industry as well. My current project involves training an algorithm what to look for in automatically redacting legal documents. I am literally putting myself out of a loving job. Yea you're obligated to sabotage the effort to replace you.
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May 8, 2016 17:27
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Rutibex posted:maybe mass human death, maybe full communism? it could go either way i suppose. of course even full communism would be a bandaid, if we ever make a computer thats actually smarter than a human we are finished as a species. Terminator imagry and Nick Land-style annihilation by the Machine God aside, how is rent gonna be paid and food bought and the corporate entities involved compensated for their time and effort? Out of work proles don't have money to spend unless you have a universal dole as was mentioned.
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May 8, 2016 17:28
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BF30vH_Ebs This, but with humans.
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May 8, 2016 17:36
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Mange Mite posted:There's some big papers done on the subject but basically no Google's approach does not scale well and will not work in the foreseeable future "Some big papers" RobattoJesus posted:This kind of wilful idiocy is going to be hard for robots to replicate. Rutibex posted:maybe mass human death, maybe full communism? it could go either way i suppose. of course even full communism would be a bandaid, if we ever make a computer thats actually smarter than a human we are finished as a species. Fuckin finally citybeatnik posted:It's not just the service industry, it's hitting the legal industry as well. My current project involves training an algorithm what to look for in automatically redacting legal documents. I am literally putting myself out of a loving job. Nothing like digging your own grave. Time to throw a monkey wrench into the cogs
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May 8, 2016 17:38
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Goons are really freaking dumb. Yeah let's "go into healthcare" in sure all healthcare roles aren't teetering on the brink of video phoning into a call center full of NPs making 30k per year. I too have no vision.
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May 8, 2016 17:39
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jBrereton posted:Deliberately gently caress it up, imo. Toadvine posted:Yea you're obligated to sabotage the effort to replace you. Wamdoodle posted:Nothing like digging your own grave. Time to throw a monkey wrench into the cogs The end goal is to use the success of the project as a stepping stone up the ladder in to management, there-by securing my own future at the expense of everyone that follows.
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May 8, 2016 17:42
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Ronwayne posted:Terminator imagry and Nick Land-style annihilation by the Machine God aside, how is rent gonna be paid and food bought and the corporate entities involved compensated for their time and effort? Out of work proles don't have money to spend unless you have a universal dole as was mentioned. i think it will come down to a calculus of which is cheaper: universal welfare or robot police
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May 8, 2016 17:47
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Mange Mite posted:Machines are the worst at complex visual tasks and constantly shifting environments with limited information so yeah anyone thinking you will have automated surgery anytime soon has no idea what they're talking about Toadvine posted:I have several family members working in transplant management and I've discussed this with them on several occasions. Routine procedures (like organ/tissue removal) require a human to identify the parts that stay and the parts that go, otherwise the bus basically drives itself. That's why it scares me so much. I figured even just with every human being different sizes, that stuff is dangerous enough. But I see articles online periodically about 'Robots can do this invasive surgery now and use tubes to tunnel and remove such and such more steadily than any human hand ever could' It just makes me think people are really interested in it and expect it to be some perfectionist, because "No human error." But even if we lived hundreds of years from now when it was the norm, it would still terrify me.
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Hrist posted:That's why it scares me so much. I figured even just with every human being different sizes, that stuff is dangerous enough. But I see articles online periodically about 'Robots can do this invasive surgery now and use tubes to tunnel and remove such and such more steadily than any human hand ever could' It just makes me think people are really interested in it and expect it to be some perfectionist, because "No human error." But even if we lived hundreds of years from now when it was the norm, it would still terrify me. Don't worry, the newly announced nVidia 1080 graphics card is "the largest chip project endeavor in the history of humanity" so we've got our priorities straight. The world's R&D money is dedicated to allowing us to pwn noobs in 4k instead of doing lame poo poo like life-saving robot surgeons.
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RobattoJesus posted:Don't worry, the newly announced nVidia 1080 graphics card is "the largest chip project endeavor in the history of humanity" so we've got our priorities straight. The world's R&D money is dedicated to allowing us to pwn noobs in 4k instead of doing lame poo poo like life-saving robot surgeons. Actually http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla-supercomputing-solutions.html we're hosed 
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RobattoJesus posted:Don't worry, the newly announced nVidia 1080 graphics card is "the largest chip project endeavor in the history of humanity" so we've got our priorities straight. The world's R&D money is dedicated to allowing us to pwn noobs in 4k instead of doing lame poo poo like life-saving robot surgeons. drat straight. You did however miss the nVidia release a couple weeks ago where they have cards that can drive cards, deep learn, render mt. everest in real time, and make art. Goons (myself included) only give a poo poo about more pretty explosions on our screens. There's an old hilarous video card commercial along those lines though, where they talk about how the card can save lives, grow food, etc, and then "nah, we'll use it for games" and they show all the peeps dying. Can't find it at all sadly 
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citybeatnik posted:The end goal is to use the success of the project as a stepping stone up the ladder in to management, there-by securing my own future at the expense of everyone that follows. Bad news: your boss has already internalized this mindset, hence why you're programming your replacement and not his. Maybe you don't have what it takes to climb the legal ladder after all...
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May 8, 2016 18:03
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I work in AI and I make six figgies a year and I'm a freaking reatard hahahaha.
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May 8, 2016 18:05
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i automate people's jobs away for a living it's pretty fun
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RobattoJesus posted:Don't worry, the newly announced nVidia 1080 graphics card is "the largest chip project endeavor in the history of humanity" so we've got our priorities straight. The world's R&D money is dedicated to allowing us to pwn noobs in 4k instead of doing lame poo poo like life-saving robot surgeons. Goon fundamentally misunderstands thing by only looking at it from a video game perspective.
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Hrist posted:That's why it scares me so much. I figured even just with every human being different sizes, that stuff is dangerous enough. But I see articles online periodically about 'Robots can do this invasive surgery now and use tubes to tunnel and remove such and such more steadily than any human hand ever could' It just makes me think people are really interested in it and expect it to be some perfectionist, because "No human error." But even if we lived hundreds of years from now when it was the norm, it would still terrify me. When they say robots they dont mean autonomous robots they mean instruments operated by actual surgeons which they call robots because it sounds cooler. And so far robot assisted surgery has same or worse outcomes than conventional surgery but reps push it anyway and it's popular among old surgeons who are physically borderline hoping it csn give them anothee 5 years before they're forced to retire Also the thing people are less tolerant of than human error is machine error. A human can apologize or be punished, but a computer usually means whoever made it is responsible, legally snd otherwise.
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Mange Mite posted:There's some big papers done on the subject but basically no Google's approach does not scale well and will not work in the foreseeable future oh so you're just making poo poo up, gotcha
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runupon cracker posted:oh so you're just making poo poo up, gotcha Lol if you think im doing work for gbs. Not unless you pay me what i make (a lot)
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Minimalist Program posted:Goon fundamentally misunderstands thing by only looking at it from a video game perspective. To be fair I don't even own a PC and just saw some nerds at work jizzing over the 1080, and when the nVidia guy was all "lol we spent enough money to go to mars lol" I started running around the office shouting JESUS gently caress, what the hell are we even doing as a species.
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Mange Mite posted:Lol if you think im doing work for gbs. Not unless you pay me what i make (a lot) I'm sure you do
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RobattoJesus posted:To be fair I don't even own a PC and just saw some nerds at work jizzing over the 1080, and when the nVidia guy was all "lol we spent enough money to go to mars lol" I started running around the office shouting JESUS gently caress, what the hell are we even doing as a species. Mars is as worthless as video games dude
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