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Re-implementing an API is absolutely fair use (they shouldn't be copyrightable to begin with but that dumbass ship has sailed) and you have to be a giant idiot to think otherwise. Or wait I guess all VMs everywhere are now infringing, better tell the virtualization/emulation market that it's over. Probs time to sue Microsoft for 35 years or whatever of MS-DOS being compatible with some CP/M function calls. Seriously shocked to see anyone defending Oracle. Google might be a lovely company but good god this was a dumb lawsuit.
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Saikonate posted:Re-implementing an API is absolutely fair use (they shouldn't be copyrightable to begin with but that dumbass ship has sailed) and you have to be a giant idiot to think otherwise. Looking at C# the standard lib is explicitly part of the Ecma spec. Also some calls is not blatantly copying the whole api of 37 libraries.
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Max Facetime posted:eagerly awaiting to see your take on java.lang.ClassLoader fair use is decided on a case by case basis. the jury didn't explain their reasoning so you have to gamble on the lawsuit if oracle wins on appeal for fair use then microsoft will need to comply with the gpl on that sys call api or be violating copyright 
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May 31, 2016 19:27
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Saikonate posted:Re-implementing an API is absolutely fair use (they shouldn't be copyrightable to begin with but that dumbass ship has sailed) and you have to be a giant idiot to think otherwise. You cannot use copyrighted material (in this case an API) for commercial use without permission. The jury got it wrong here, but it will probably be fixed on appeals. The most important parts of this thing (APIs being copyrightable and the fact that goog infringed) have already been established. wrt hypervisors and emulation it would depend on if they claim copyrights on the APIs AND if the copyrights hold up in court. They also could be granted licenses for those copyrights thru various deals and partnerships.
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May 31, 2016 19:44
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Shaggar posted:You cannot use copyrighted material (in this case an API) for commercial use without permission. you can, it depends on whether or not the work is transformative. if we go by Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music the jury clearly thought that dalvik is a parody of java. i think you'll agree with that
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May 31, 2016 20:22
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heh. in the end they didn't do anything transformative to the api, they just straight up and knowingly copied it with the express intent of making it easy for existing java devs to understand.
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May 31, 2016 20:42
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Shaggar posted:heh. in the end they didn't do anything transformative to the api, they just straight up and knowingly copied it with the express intent of making it easy for existing java devs to understand. that's not why. they did it for code re-use they also sampled it, to use the musical terminology
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Jun 1, 2016 23:08
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maybe the jury knew that deciding it for goog would inevitably lead to an appeal, and decided to do so in an attempt to punish the lawyers because from the snippets i gleaned from this thread it sounds like those lawyers need to be punished
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Jun 2, 2016 00:01
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punishing the lawyers by making them do their job because they were doing their job. punishment fits the crime
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Jun 2, 2016 01:18
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If the lawyers are getting paid by the hour, maybe it's a ploy to drag out their employment.
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Jun 2, 2016 06:57
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Doc Block posted:If the lawyers are getting paid by the hour, maybe it's a ploy to drag out their employment. lol
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Jun 2, 2016 12:15
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:maybe the jury knew that deciding it for goog would inevitably lead to an appeal, and decided to do so in an attempt to punish the lawyers punish the lawyers by giving them thousands more in billable hours on the appeal.
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Jun 2, 2016 15:16
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i mean sure some associates are getting punished, but the head lawyers are playing golf while depositing checks.
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if some snotnose associate told me i had to review a billion lines of code using notepad whilst trawling through dozens of layers of file folders, yeah i got no problem making his life poo poo. his boss got rich either way.
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