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Hoping they release the DLL source once everything is done though it seems pretty unlikely, Or that civ 7 gets it. Vox populi seemed to do a great job with fixing those issues up
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Not gonna lie, after I restarted the current monthly challenge on Emperor and committed to playing it out, I'm having a blast and it's really fun. It really is a hand-crafted playground to run roughshod with your viking longships in.
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CIvGiv has been good so far, lots of fun weird little challenges. Very much looking forward to the 'Nuke the Preserves' games.
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So I'm a teacher and all my classes are done for the year. At work I'm playing Civ V At home I'm playing Civ VI. MAN. Civ VI really does improve on Civ V in so many ways. I don't think the balance is as good, also I prefer the presentation of Civ V over VI, but when you're playing the two back to back, you really appreciate VI.
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Yea I'm fond of Civ5 and really miss the cleaner graphics and UX whenever someone posts a screenshot, but I'm not sure I could go back to not having districts. ------------------ Been browsing through the wiki and web, got some questions/bugs: -What the hell is the actual formula for Wall damage spitting? Nobody even drat well talks about it! I can see that the more damaged the wall, the more damage is applied to the city itself (proportionately? or just extra?), but I honestly have no real way of 'guessing' how well a brute-force siege will go until a few rounds of combat passes. -Wiki states that ranged naval units don't suffer -17 strength when shooting cities, which jives with how effective frigates are, but I am 100% sure that my battleships once had this penalty in a normal game (I recall being surprised/annoyed about it, posted in this thread, then went and built a bunch of bombers). What's the difference/cutoff? -The religious governor's "lay on hands" which fullheals units in a single turn, doesn't seem to work, or at least for naval units? Not even ones stationed in the city tile itself. Others on the net have said the same. Serephina fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Dec 19, 2023 |
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Dec 19, 2023 04:46
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I've continued to play UnCiv on my phone and I think it's damaging me. What if one more turn, but it's literally every moment of your waking life.
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Dec 19, 2023 08:11
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Districts, builders and Eureka moments are such awesome gameplay elements and MAN does it suck to not have them.
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Serephina posted:Yea I'm fond of Civ5 and really miss the cleaner graphics and UX whenever someone posts a screenshot, but I'm not sure I could go back to not having districts. The wiki says quote:The presence of an outer defense also protects the HP of the city. While the walls are undamaged, no attack can harm the city itself (it will do 1 damage only). The strong protection holds until the walls' HP goes down to about 80% - the city will then suffer not more than 5-10 damage per attack. While they are "relatively" damaged (above 50% HP), attacks will get through and harm the city itself, but their force is still reduced. After the walls are "breached," and their HP falls below 20-30% of its original strength, the city starts taking real hits (that is, full damage). Maybe the battleship thing depends on whether or not there is a land unit inside the city center?
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Help me, thread, my brain kind of stops working when encountering any sentence containing a number. You know those world congress resolutions about "production is +100% for units of this type"- does that mean those units become more expensive (because their production cost is higher) or less expensive (because any production you put towards them gets doubled?) Similarly, that resolution about "player gains +100% grievances against other players but other players gain grievances less than towards player of 50% towards grievances to player of" or whatever it is. What's... what's happening there. e: wait I remembered it wrong, it's production vs faith buyout vs gold buyout, but yeah, same issue Tree Bucket fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Dec 20, 2023 |
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Public Relations (the greviances one) is kinda weird, as it's a double-sided sword for both resolutions. +100% to/from a player is a way of punishing a warmonger who's trying to 1v7 the world, as he's obviously generating more than he's receiving, while -50% to/from a player makes them a target for conquest from all neighbours. Technically the +100% makes it so you don't want to hit that guy, and the -50% means that he can hit you just fine, but the way the AI votes that's never what's going on. Mercenary Companies is strictly about the cost, so +100% makes it more expensive to produce, while -50% on the buyout makes them cheaper to instabuy. Arguably both could be good for the player, but the AI often dunks on production/military when someone's been warmongering too much. Why these things are presented as opposites to each other... I don't know. World congress sucks so much in Civ6.
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Serephina posted:a double-sided sword 
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Dec 20, 2023 05:27
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Oh hush, it means the same thing.
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Serephina posted:Yea I'm fond of Civ5 and really miss the cleaner graphics and UX whenever someone posts a screenshot, but I'm not sure I could go back to not having districts. Do you mean the fandom wiki? If so then the problem is that it's a fandom wiki.
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Serephina posted:
The world congress's ability to interrupt whatever delicate thing I was in the middle of trying to enact (especially when I'm fighting a war) so that we all most vote on the amount of oranges produced by Brazil makes me want to throw my computer out the window.
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The AIs do have a weird penchant for banning enjoyment of oranges. I wonder why that is.
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Now clearly you must see that oranges are just a gateway drug to hook you up on class a substances like incense or dyes, for references see civ5 world congress. Olives, just say no!
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They want your navy to get scurvy.
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 So I'm abandoning this game of Civ because despite these cities being stupid awesome... I'm on a continent where there's basically no oil or aluminium. Y''know, except in dumb gently caress places where I'd have to make a lovely, starving city just to harvest that resource. The other civ on the continent with me is Poland and they have literally no army. So I could take them out super easy, but then I'd just have to wait until the death robots before considering marching over to the next continent. It's one of those games where you get halfway through and to see it out to the end is so tedious you can't be stuffed. It makes me wish for a few things: 1) Simulated ending. Just so I can see the fun graphs at the end and know how it would've turned out (AKA: How much I would've won by) 2) Remote mining. Being able to mine a resource outside your territory. It prevents you from being crippled if you don't have access to a certain resource. Maybe it costs a trade route to ship those resources to\fro your cities. Maybe you need to defend it with units to prevent your mines being taken over. Either way, it's always shat me that you can sorta get hosed over by RNG of not having strategic resources in your territory.
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I guess it's a matter of taste but those are my favourite kind of games. I love that sort of geopolitical challenge where I have to go conquer somewhere, settle a far off colony, or envoy the poo poo out of a city state just for the sake of getting strategics
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Dec 23, 2023 14:46
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H13 posted:I'm on a continent where there's basically no oil or aluminium. Y''know, except in dumb gently caress places where I'd have to make a lovely, starving city just to harvest that resource. Why is this a problem, though? Just make the lovely, starving city.
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You gotta get your liyang fisheries going. It's def worth moving her around to build them in your coastal cities. The extra housing alone is worth it
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Yea starving cities are absolutely deliberate design, it's exactly why strategics are hidden, to cause you to have to move earth and sea to get ahold of them. Having outposts would be cool too, but that's a very not-civ way of doing expansion. Works great for OTHER 4x games, like AoE Planetfall and such, but they've struck gold with districts and so they'd be mad to drop them in favour of the more radical evolutions.
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I guess technically Warlock struck gold, but I'm sure there are earlier examples.
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Serephina posted:Having outposts would be cool too, but that's a very not-civ way of doing expansion. Works great for OTHER 4x games, like AoE Planetfall and such, but they've struck gold with districts and so they'd be mad to drop them in favour of the more radical evolutions. Workers could build a colony outside of your territory to get a resource in Civ 3. Had to defend it with a unit and also link it to city by road.
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civ 3 also had proper armies, single "units" made up of individual units. would've been a cool middleground between bottomless deathstacks and 1upt civ 3 deserved better reception than it got
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H13 posted:I'm on a continent where there's basically no oil or aluminium. Y''know, except in dumb gently caress places where I'd have to make a lovely, starving city just to harvest that resource. I quite like that problem, but then I prefer the rp side of things. Half my family comes from Broken Hill, a city dropped in the middle of a desert to access rich silver deposits. You get these fascinating logistics problems and weird cultural quirks when you build settlements like that.
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IMO they should lean into the "build everything directly on the map" idea a bit more and subdivide hexes to be twice as many; you'd still have to build districts to build their buildings, but the district itself would take one hex and then the buildings as part of it would be required to be adjacent. Keep adjacency bonuses but turn it into distance-based rather than direct adjacency (so e.g. you could get +2 for being directly adjacent or +1 for being 1 away - and this could be upgraded with techs or civics). And increase the city population accordingly. The workable radius could also be tied to tech level, get an extra hex of range with railroads and another with oil/engines. On the other hand I'm not sure I trust them to make a game with 4 times the number of tiles and not have it be a laggy mess.
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i really like how old world uses population as a way to enhance improvements rather than the way to work them. really lets you scour the earth with your builders
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:i really like how old world uses population as a way to enhance improvements rather than the way to work them. really lets you scour the earth with your builders Old World has really made it harder for me to enjoy Civ. There is just so much that it does that makes playing more fun and I miss when I open Civ again. Units move so… painfully… slow in Civ. But I like the scope of Civ. I hope in the next Civ they steal a ton from OW.
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I hope the next Civ steals a ton from every other civ-like.
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harrygomm posted:i wanted to play a canada game but i just rolled maybe half a dozen games where i started in the desert with no tundra within 10 tiles in any direction. i finally got one with tundra but it was still half desert and the only tile with yields on it i could settle within 3 turns was a fur with 1 food 1 gold. is there some kind of game setting i can use so that he is required to spawn with tundra nearby? like his affinity to settle near it is, if wikis are to be believed, one of only 5 civs to have max affinity. rerolling a dozen dozen times to get tundra that, god forbid, has any trees doesn't sound like a good time I think sometimes some map types just don't generate a bunch of what you need. I rolled several Inland Sea maps before I got Mali to spawn on a desert.
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For the first time in like 25 years, I finally beat a Civ game. Normally at some point (I always do marathon games) I kind of lose interest, or stop playing for a few weeks, and then quit that game and start a new game years later. This time I played every evening and then I finally got a cultural victory, but it kind of came out of nowhere. Was it because I had the highest culture score at the last turn (turn 1000??) or did I reach a cultural threshold? I really wonder how you are supposed to get a science victory then, I mean, which prevails? Science score or culture score? I never really focused my production, policies and buildings on any particular victory, so maybe I should focus on science next time and not bother with cultural stuff like shrines and theatres.
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Assuming you’re playing 6, culture victories are when you have the most tourism over a certain threshold. That threshold changes depending on the influence of other civs, because they also are taking in your tourists. Getting high culture is important because it unlocks cards and buildings that have the opportunity to get you more tourists, and generally you don’t start really earning them until halfway into the game, but once you start steamrolling it gets exponential. Generally you want open borders and trade routes with everyone because that makes receiving tourists easier. When I first started winning games I would play into later eras and accidentally win culture victories while I was aiming at science because my civs would become dominant and I’d be trading a lot and making friends. Part of the reason a score victory is so hard/rare is because by the end of the game your civ is probably covering half the map and naturally has a ton of influence.
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Sioux posted:For the first time in like 25 years, I finally beat a Civ game. Normally at some point (I always do marathon games) I kind of lose interest, or stop playing for a few weeks, and then quit that game and start a new game years later. This time I played every evening and then I finally got a cultural victory, but it kind of came out of nowhere. Was it because I had the highest culture score at the last turn (turn 1000??) or did I reach a cultural threshold? The way culture victory works in civ 6 is super weird. Here's the simple version: You've got two relevant ratings at the top of your screen: culture-per-turn and tourism-per-turn. Culture, in addition to unlocking civics, is defense against culture victory, and tourism is offence. Culture, through some esoteric formula, generates "domestic tourists." Tourism, through an even more esoteric formula that involves, I think, comparing your tourism to the culture and/or tourism of each other civ, generates foreign tourists. You win a victory if the number of foreign tourists visiting your civ is greater than the number of domestic tourists that any other civ has individually. This means that if only one civ goes heavy into culture, they win easily, but if two civs do, they essentially block one another from winning, because they both have to get a lot more foreign tourists to compete against one another's large number of domestic tourists. Notice that getting to the end of the civic track isn't important at all - except for the fact that most things that generate tourism also generate culture, so you'll just kinda do it naturally, and there are a few endgame policy cards and other things that can help generate more tourism (most notably, the Rock Band unit, which generates huge bursts of tourism, and costs faith). If you have a lot of great works, especially if you also have some relics and/or (if you're playing with the Monopolies & Corporations mode) products, you'll be generating lots of tourism. A lot of people report winning culture victories accidentally like that if they are playing with Monopolies & Corporations and they have a monopoly on a luxury, which can boost overall tourism to a huge level with the monopoly bonus. If you're not playing with M&C, then you probably just have a lot of great works, and the other civs are all slacking in their culture generation. The AI tends to prioritize science over culture, and isn't smart enough to pivot their strategy when they notice that, say, they're at risk of getting culturally dominated. So it's possible that you were the only one who bothered to build theater squares, and you got all the writers and artists, and they just sucked  Science victory, on the other hand, is simply a race. You research up to the top of the tech tree, build a spaceport, and launch various projects (satellite, moon landing, mars colony, exoplanet expedition, optional: laser stations to push your exoplanet expedition faster). There is no relevant player interaction except via war or spycraft. I find that at higher difficulties, science victory often goes a bit faster than culture victory, since everyone has a lot more "defense" in the form of culture rating to slow that down. A marathon game is 1500 turns max; do you remember what turn you were on, or what age you were in, or what techs and civics you had gotten recently? Also, what difficulty were you playing on, and what civ/leader were you?
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DontMockMySmock posted:The way culture victory works in civ 6 is super weird. Here's the simple version: The formulas aren't really esoteric, the game just doesn't tell you what they are. You get a domestic tourist for every 250 culture produced, including from getting a boost to a civic. Getting a tourist from a civilization (i.e. turning one of their domestic tourists into your foreign tourist) requires 200* culture per civilization in the game (at game start, I believe?). It's actually a fairly simple system, just... I'd say very poorly explained, but honestly it just isn't explained. *in R&F and GS, int he base game it's 150
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Awe bless, you can get SMAC on Steam for a couple of bucks now. Wish they'd put a mod on to let you randomly pick any 7 factions but exclude the silly aliems
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In the off chance that anyone got the switch version, they have the Leader Pass now as a free download. (Apologies if this was mentioned before.)
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Thanks for the expanation about the Culture Victory. Yeah it was probably the Theatre squares and some relics and great works then. I also had open border with some other civs that may have helped. The weird thing is: somewhere halfway I annihilated Persia since it was up in my poo poo. Most other civs (this was one of the huge worlds) instantly hated me. I had a few alliances and friends at that point, that didn't seem to mind at all, but once the alliance or friend agreement was up for an extension, they would also start hating me. I had no real access to any agreements after that and I felt pretty locked out because there was no way I could build up that relation even after hundreds of years, since it tanked pretty hard. It also made me feel vulnerable, but turns out only one civ chose to declare war on me and then I took half their cities and their capital. Other than that I only fought barbarians in this game. I thought waging war on one civ would at least net me /some/ friends (their enemies), but unfortunately it didn't. If this is the case for all games, then dominating other civs wil Anyone ever co-opped this game? Theoretically it's PvE /and/ PvP, of course, but if you're in a voice chat with the other player I'm sure you could be allies and bully all other civs while creating really cool and cooperative civ's with the other player, with open borders, a lot of trade etc. I wonder though how boring it would be to wait through the other players turn.
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Been playing a bunch of two player coop, hotseat through Remote Play. It works perfectly fine, and you completely cut out any desyncs or other online gaming issues. It's when one (or both!) players get into hellwars, and the one minute turns become 10-15 minutes of unending unit shuffling that it gets a bit intolerable. And it's not like the AI will ever defeat you in combat, so the game feels a foregone conclusion once cities starts falling. Which is fine when you're blitzing through on your own, but adding more players does make it harder to stomach. Think ~10 turns knocked out per evening when it gets intense.
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