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So I finally got around to actually playing a few games of this, and uh, is there really any reason to stop expanding? I'm used to Civ 5 where you got four cities and then stopped or your empire would never ever be happy, but here there doesn't really seem to be any significant negatives to expanding, beyond needing slightly more luxury resources and maybe pissing off an AI. Is it even a good idea to keep expanding in the late game? Hell, in my current game where I wasn't really able to get up more than four decent cities, my low city count is actively hampering me because I'm going for a cultural victory and I'm completely out of places to put my great works.
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May 30, 2017 16:19
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Gort posted:There is never a time where you'd rather have fewer cities than more (so there's nothing like Civ 4's corruption or Civ 5's empire-wide happiness penalties from having many cities), but the cost of settlers increases each time you build one, and the old Civ problem of "Cities I build in the late game don't have long enough to really become useful before the game ends" is still in full swing. Cool, thanks. I'm honestly not sure if I prefer it this way over Civ 5. Sure, being almost completely pigeonholed into building tall wasn't optimal, but it's usually what I prefer anyway since it's less micromanagement of cities and tiles. I guess it's just different, not necessarily better or worse. I think I would've still preferred it if specialists were about as good as they were in Civ 5, that would give at least some incentive to building fewer, taller, cities. As it is, they kinda just feel like "welp, I ran out of tiles to work, I guess you have to work in the factory".
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May 30, 2017 19:38
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Speaking of ranged units, I don't get why they still insist on making ranged units useless in later eras by removing their range. I guess at least in 6 it only happens an era after you get artillery, so it's not as bad, but uh, it's still bad.
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May 31, 2017 22:23
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It's really stupid that you can't remove districs by any means. Like, really really stupid.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:21
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Nah, I like placing them and planning your expansions so you can build more districts next to each other etc, but it's just stupid that they're literally permanent. Especially if you build holy sites but don't get a religion, then you have a bunch of districts that not only were wasted production, but reduce the number of useful districts you can have in those cities, so they're actually actively detrimental to you.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:33
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Gort posted:Beyond Earth's poo poo though It's pretty good.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:44
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If the school bully gives you a wedgie during lunch break and you turn around and knife him in the gut, the teacher is gonna rightly be mad at you even though HE STAAARTED IIIIT.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:35
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The White Dragon posted:oh yeah well darius isn't my teacher or my dad he's just my lovely neighbor who's mad at me for brawling with alexander in the alley. If your neighbor steals your bike and you respond by making GBS threads on his lawn and throwing a molotov cocktail through his living room window, the rest of the neighborhood is gonna think you're a loving psycho even though he started it. A better "fear" mechanic would be cool, though. One that works solely off army value would be flawed at best when the AI shits out like five units per turn. It'd need to also take into account how successful you are at war, especially how cost effectively you've been fighting.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:43
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Elias_Maluco posted:Anyway, you should not be considered an unforgivable warmonger by all players for almost the entire game for getting something in a defensive war If you attack the enemy and take one of their cities, the war is no longer defensive. You can even take as many cities as you want, and as long as you return them at the end of the war, you don't get any warmongering penalties for it, but you can still take everything else the AI owns.
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Jul 11, 2017 00:52
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Jastiger posted:As for terrorism, I don't mean like 9/11 type stuff, but "Greece has sabotaged your infrastructure" type flavor event, or "Your population is so unhappy that [religious group/military group/foreign civ/city state] caused production and accesss to Iron to be lost!". It'd be like covert stuff from BE but more nuanced. There should be ways to destroy your enemy without actually going to war ala privateers or proxy wars. This exists in the game right now, it's called espionage.
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Jul 11, 2017 01:25
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From what I've seen of civ 5 multiplayer on youtube, it's basically just a really really slow RTS.
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Aug 3, 2017 14:10
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Civ VI's main theme is significantly better than Baba Yetu.
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Aug 12, 2017 15:24
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Having a religion is neat, but imo it's not even close to worth the effort. It's one of many things that make Kongo one of the best civs, if not the best civ.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:41
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1UPT is very good, the only problem with it is that the AI sucks, but that can be solved by writing better AI.
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Aug 18, 2017 17:32
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I'm sure they can if they just believe in themselves.
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Aug 18, 2017 17:42
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Corps/armies is enough stacking for me tbh.
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Aug 19, 2017 09:04
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I once got a start as venice next to an ocean. A huge triangular ocean blocked off from the rest of the planet's seas by two chunks of ice, with not a single city other than mine accessible from that ocean. Not even a city-state.
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Aug 29, 2017 07:33
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I always found Venice super hard. Not being able to get more than one city is a serious handicap that no amount of GPT is going to make up for.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:14
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Puppets are bloody worthless, though. They're always gold focused, so they work the worst tiles available, you can't assign specialists, and they never produce anything worthwhile. They even get a flat -25% science and culture. Also, venice is super dependent on international trade routes, which can get pillaged in an instant when some AI inevitably declares war on you out of nowhere, depriving you both of your GPT and making you lose all the production you spent on the trade routes. Venice really isn't a strong civ.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:29
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I'd rather just play a good civ tbh.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:36
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I like venice's design, it's a civ with a different playstyle. I wish they did more civs like it, that deviate from the norm. It's just not very good. It's underpowered. Other civs are stronger.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:45
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Kassad posted:Getting rid of the ranged attack but keeping the city health might be a good compromise. Yeah Civ VI did it best imo.
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Sep 2, 2017 10:31
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No, it wasn't humorous. Having to build walls is a pretty big investment, but it's worth it a lot more often compared to civ V. It's a good way of doing things.
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Sep 2, 2017 11:42
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I paid full price and I think I got my money's worth. It's a good game.
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Sep 4, 2017 18:22
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Italy has been in every civ game, becauseElias_Maluco posted:Rome is in Italy too
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Sep 5, 2017 18:44
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Florida Man conquers Rome.
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Sep 5, 2017 21:09
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A game with multiple winners doesn't even make sense.
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Sep 12, 2017 14:23
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I think Civ 6 is about as good as BNW, but I did also decide to not play more than 5 or 6 games to completion before waiting for expansions to come out. I like the new systems for the most part, and I don't particularly mind bad AI. It's not like the AI in Civ 5 was ever good.
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Sep 17, 2017 11:03
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Taear posted:There's a decent gap between "not good" and "worthless". Being able to fight off every other AI player in a game on King when the person who was doing it "doesn't do war" is ridiculous. If the game is too easy on king, play on a harder difficulty. The AI is still able to be challenging since it gets ridiculous bonuses to everything. It's really not all that different from civ 5.
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Sep 17, 2017 13:07
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And you still need to play well when the AI attacks you with its carpet of units, or you will die regardless how bad it is at using its units.
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Sep 17, 2017 14:33
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 Cool city, bro.
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Oct 9, 2017 22:23
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John F Bennett posted:MORE religious units?? Yeah, I dunno. I feel like religion was one of the real misses in civ 6, it kinda just feels like a more annoying, more tug-of-war domination victory.
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Oct 10, 2017 19:00
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Glass of Milk posted:I hate theological combat in every goddamned game that it's in. You should be able to kill missionaries with soldiers to deter them from coming in your lands. You can.
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Oct 11, 2017 06:59
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Poil posted:
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Oct 11, 2017 17:01
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In fact it benefits you. Of course, if there's only one civ going heavily into religion, they'll probably win the game.
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Oct 11, 2017 18:11
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Consider not taking the city.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:39
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While I think both games are roughly as good as each other, I think in the end I prefer 5, since the optimal way to play it (small empire) is more fun to me. Honestly, I think the main point of the warmonger penalties in 6 is that there has to be some form of negative to taking cities. Gaining a city, or even several cities, just by building some military and attacking the AI is an incredible boon, and something has to counterbalance that.
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Oct 13, 2017 19:23
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Elias_Maluco posted:Is not a very good one. If you are going for a conquest victory, you dont give a poo poo about warmonger penalties. Everyone will eventually hate you anyway If you're going for a domination victory, you'd still like to be able to trade with the civs you're not currently in the process of killing if you could.
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Oct 13, 2017 20:58
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I'm playing a game of civ 5 right now and I've been at war with Korea for as long as I can remember. They won't accept any form of peace talks because they have a military score like 50 times mine, but I also haven't seen a single one of their units for like 150 turns.
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Oct 16, 2017 16:09
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Hot take: I think fighting off the AI with just a few units in civ 5/6 is fun.
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Oct 17, 2017 12:21
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