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The point of a game is either to be fun or to deliver an experience (depending on how pretentious the person making the game is). If the game fails at doing one of those things then it is a bad game that fails at what it was intended to do, and if a game fails at both of them then it's just a big smelly turd. If your toaster fills your kitchen with nasty smells or takes three hours to make a piece of toast, then it's garbage, whether you define it as "art" or "appliance". Though it's not surprising that Bogost takes the tack he does, given that neither he nor his company appear to make good games. I'm not terribly surprised a guy with games like "Stone City: A training game for employees of Stone Cold Creamery" under his belt says that videogames are half-appliance and therefore immune to normal criticism.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Right, but games also have a much more varied structure / form. A Faulkner novel and a Clifford the Big Red Dog book have more in common, structurally, than Tetris does with World of Warcraft (for example, all novels involve characters of some kind). Sounds like tabletop games, which have a similar variety of structure, are a much more appropriate comparison - can Connect 4 and Sorry! really be viewed through the same lens as Settlers of Catan or poker or the super-complex strategy games that crazy people play?
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KomradeX posted:I really think "Gamers" are the biggest obstacle to game criticism out there because they don't want either to look at their games in a critical manner like one would do with other story telling mediums or want negative reviews. The recent story of a well known contrarian game reviewer receiving death threats comes to mind on that front . Or a month or so bad I shared this video from Extra Credits about Tom Clancy's The Division on my facebook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKsj345Jjw and at least one over wheliming reaction it got was one friend saying how he didn't care about the criticism and why do we have to talk about it he just wants to enjoy his game. We see this same thinking happening whenever you bring up issues of sex or race in the Games forum and hints of that here already. This isn't unique to games at all, though. Film critics get plenty of death threats, and god forbid someone on TV makes an insulting joke about a popular movie. Even random people who write book reviews on Amazon sometimes find themselves subject to death threats. Authors aren't immune either. And of course anyone remotely connected to the production of a movie or TV show, from actors to the author of the original book, is a potential target for threats from enraged fans. Inability to accept criticism is a common feature of fandoms, regardless of media or medium, although it manifests in slightly different ways depending in the particular demographic targeted by the work.
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