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Nathilus posted:Magic is totally real you just won't find it inside a wiccan coven. Crowley had the same problem with the golden dawn back in the day. Don't you mean magick?? As for me, thug lyfe and wu tang. I used to bring RZA's book with me to high school. It's why I still have this avatar. Actually that was an awesome philosophy, but I eventually had to abandon it because I am the White Man.
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dethkon posted:Don't you mean magick?? I didn't understand the full scope of the Science of Mathematics until I was in my late 20s. Its kind of weird how it popped up in my consciousness slowly. Like I've just been walking one day and suddenly thought "Wu, Wisdom and Understanding, I get it"
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Crowsbeak posted:That's called being a functioning human being. see this is the sort of opinion that enables your local priest and/or boko haram
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glowing-fish posted:I didn't understand the full scope of the Science of Mathematics until I was in my late 20s. Wu breaks down into Wisdom/Understanding, indeed. Once you knowledge full 360 you will obtain Knowledge of Self, which leads to Wisdom and Overstanding. Keep studying ya lessons, God.
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May 18, 2016 18:03
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dethkon posted:Don't you mean magick?? That book was cool, with the footnoted lyrics, really invited a closer more sophisticated analysis of words without coming off as dryly academic. I was really into the really psyched out roots reggae pontificate dub-poetry songs for a while which was really cool, people at school would badger me for weed because of my Bob Marley shirts which were code for pot-dealer for them. Although I can't do that anymore I was able to delve into those moods for a full three hours at a regal Lee "Scratch" Perry concert a few nights ago so its always cool that those philosophies can resurrect themselves fully formed for brief spells.
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crowoutofcontext posted:That book was cool, with the footnoted lyrics, really invited a closer more sophisticated analysis of words without coming off as dryly academic. Ya, me and my buddies would read the lyrics portion/glossary at lunch and laugh and have a good time. Really fond memories of that. I got into Dub music too, through trip-hop remixes that were still a thing at that time. I would zone out to Perry, or Mad Professor for the longest time, just let my mind wander. I kind of lost that once I got into drugs, but it's something I'm trying to get back.
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I, like most American males I think, went through a brief libertarian phase as a young man. In our defense, I think most people in our situation trick ourselves into it because they only hear about the good things (not getting involved in overseas conflicts, not outlawing things like drugs, gay marriage, abortion, etc.). It's not until you meet a real libertarian when you find out that they don't really give a poo poo about that stuff--they're completely preoccupied with stupid poo poo like guns, social darwinism, the sanctity of the free market, and how taxes and social safety nets are the Greatest Evils Facing Humanity--that you realize how goddamned stupid libertarianism actually is and you rightfully become embarrassed for ever having referred to yourself as one.
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Sheen Sheen posted:I, like most American males I think, went through a brief libertarian phase as a young man. In our defense, I think most people in our situation trick ourselves into it because they only hear about the good things (not getting involved in overseas conflicts, not outlawing things like drugs, gay marriage, abortion, etc.). It's not until you meet a real libertarian when you find out that they don't really give a poo poo about that stuff--they're completely preoccupied with stupid poo poo like guns, social darwinism, the sanctity of the free market, and how taxes and social safety nets are the Greatest Evils Facing Humanity--that you realize how goddamned stupid libertarianism actually is and you rightfully become embarrassed for ever having referred to yourself as one. I think most of my libertarian phase was part of an anarchist primitivist phase, like I just assumed that society was going to collapse, and we would all end up living in smaller, self-regulating groups.
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Sheen Sheen posted:I, like most American males I think, went through a brief libertarian phase as a young man. In our defense, I think most people in our situation trick ourselves into it because they only hear about the good things (not getting involved in overseas conflicts, not outlawing things like drugs, gay marriage, abortion, etc.). It's not until you meet a real libertarian when you find out that they don't really give a poo poo about that stuff--they're completely preoccupied with stupid poo poo like guns, social darwinism, the sanctity of the free market, and how taxes and social safety nets are the Greatest Evils Facing Humanity--that you realize how goddamned stupid libertarianism actually is and you rightfully become embarrassed for ever having referred to yourself as one. I dunno if I really went libertarian as I was really into the idea of social darwinism, I guess it mostly stemmed from me feeling like I was consistently working harder than my peers and advancing in life for it. It wasn't really till college where i had a more varied friends circle and began to see life stories on how you could get screwed over mostly by circumstances that I really became more empathetic to socialistic issues and did a political 180, also for all the rhetoric about rationality and objectiveness when you start digging deeper the real life numbers very rarely if ever back up the idea that the free market is a solution to anything other than how to concentrate wealth.
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I fused elements from reading Sir Walter Scott, Thoreau and Robert E. Howard as an early teen. It's hard to reduce that mindset to a few words, but money and the pursuit of it were stupid, most of the things people did were dumb and bad, and wizards are to be feared and killed if possible.
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Libertarian phase is exotic to me but I am Canadian and grew up in a city where almost every adult I knew including my parents and step-parents worked in government bureaucracy. Although I developed rebellious feelings toward "the system" it wasn't easy to graft over real-world occurrences. Things like universal healthcare were functional and good and didn't take people's rights away and people who wanted it gone or privatized usually came off as rich and sociopathic. Also the government refused to participate in the Iraq War only saying it would only if the United Nations sanctioned it. So any anti-war and anti-globalism ideas I had weren't naturally connected in what I saw on the news we didn't go to war because we were a global nation but also because we were independent enough to disagree with America. The raw ingredients of libertarian were not there.
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ArbitraryC posted:I dunno if I really went libertarian as I was really into the idea of social darwinism, I guess it mostly stemmed from me feeling like I was consistently working harder than my peers and advancing in life for it. It wasn't really till college where i had a more varied friends circle and began to see life stories on how you could get screwed over mostly by circumstances that I really became more empathetic to socialistic issues and did a political 180, also for all the rhetoric about rationality and objectiveness when you start digging deeper the real life numbers very rarely if ever back up the idea that the free market is a solution to anything other than how to concentrate wealth. I guess "social darwinism" was the wrong term to use, I just chose it as shorthand for "rich people are rich because they are smart and hard-working and poor people are poor because they are stupid and lazy" which seems to be the overall philosophy of libertarianism. Would "objectivism" have been the right term? I don't actually know what that is because I never really read anything by Ayn Rand.
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I fell for the liberal nonsense about how important it was to be an individual before I ever experienced the pleasures of conformity.
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When I was in middle school I thought it might be a good idea to have a split/deadlocked senate/white house as it'd minimize the amount of awful legislation that could get passed because no one could agree about anything. Oh boy was I wrong.
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"look the line item veto is good, it stops those liberals from sneaking in funding for welfare mothers with education bills" --me, 13
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Sheen Sheen posted:I guess "social darwinism" was the wrong term to use, I just chose it as shorthand for "rich people are rich because they are smart and hard-working and poor people are poor because they are stupid and lazy" which seems to be the overall philosophy of libertarianism. Would "objectivism" have been the right term? I don't actually know what that is because I never really read anything by Ayn Rand.
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yeah as I understand it objectivism is more specifically the Galt's Gulch mindset, the "I am rich and successful because I am smart and hard working, and the only reason that YOU have what you do is because I am smart and hard working, if I went away you would die", libertarianism is more of a self-determination dont tread on me thing alone
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I was too gullible and white-bread to have original, deep thoughts in my teens. I guess I read Also sprach Zarathustra, but that was it. And even though I was too dumb for academic studies, I spent my 20īs performing mental gymnastics to make myself seem like a special snowflake and/or totally smarter than all those sheeple. Stuff like existentialism and Post-Marxist philosophy. Now at 30 I guess I've grown to the ripe emotional age of a 16-17 year-old, having settled with determinist defeatism and antinatalist nihilism as crutches for my ego.
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glowing-fish posted:I think most of my libertarian phase was part of an anarchist primitivist phase, like I just assumed that society was going to collapse, and we would all end up living in smaller, self-regulating groups. Wishful thinking.
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Is sucking cock considered a philosophy?
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i was a monarchist and believed in the existence of liebniz's monads the patriarchal authority of god is the only real source of power you heathens
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if any of my friends had been halfway as into environmental issues as i was at 17 i would without a doubt have firebombed a car dealership or something
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New Sharif in Town posted:Is sucking cock considered a philosophy? Show me a philosopher who hasn't done it.
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like i was right there i just needed that extra little bit of social support before lobbing a rubing-alcohol molotov into a construction site or something
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Jonny 290 posted:yeah as I understand it objectivism is more specifically the Galt's Gulch mindset, the "I am rich and successful because I am smart and hard working, and the only reason that YOU have what you do is because I am smart and hard working, if I went away you would die", libertarianism is more of a self-determination dont tread on me thing alone I am kind of surprised that these type of edgy, anti-social philosophies seem to be so popular here. I would have thought more people would have taken the hippie route. I wonder if this is representative of teenagers in general, or is just because of goons.
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signalnoise posted:Bertrand Russel my jimmies A History of Western Philosophy is a great book and pretty funny. Probably the best intro book ever written.
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I became an atheist in middle school, and that was enough of a bold stand against conformity until the end of high school, when all my friends were into Ayn Rand. So was I until I read her books. loving hell, man. After that I was a hardcore communist for about a semester, and then I transformed like a beautiful butterfly into the apathetic douchebag I am today.
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glowing-fish posted:I am kind of surprised that these type of edgy, anti-social philosophies seem to be so popular here. I would have thought more people would have taken the hippie route. I wonder if this is representative of teenagers in general, or is just because of goons. Whenever your surprised by posts on SA answer is almost always goons IMO. Falun Bong Refugee posted:A History of Western Philosophy is a great book and pretty funny. Probably the best intro book ever written. He's upfront about his personal bias's but it can be incredibly scathing when he starts reviewing his recent predecessors. I would have never read Schopenhaur if I had first learned about him from Russel. But yeah the personal style is exactly why its such an engaging read. He also said he wrote "A History of Western Philosophy" as a sort of light distraction or break from what he considered more head-ache inducing work which must be one of the best humbelbrags ever to be uttered.
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crowoutofcontext posted:He's upfront about his personal bias's but it can be incredibly scathing when he starts reviewing his recent predecessors. I would have never read Schopenhaur if I had first learned about him from Russel. But yeah the personal style is exactly why its such an engaging read. He also said he wrote "A History of Western Philosophy" as a sort of light distraction or break from what he considered more head-ache inducing work which must be one of the best humbelbrags ever to be uttered. That's why it's a good intro. Nobody wants to be introduced to a subject by some dry pedantic nitwit.
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:That's why it's a good intro. Nobody wants to be introduced to a subject by some dry pedantic nitwit. Agreed, but would probably double it up with another engaging voice if someone wanted an intro to philosophy. IF there was another scathing, colorful curmudgeon that sucked the dicks of all of Russel's most hated misguided culprits and poo poo on all his idols would make a cool combo-read.
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crowoutofcontext posted:Agreed, but would probably double it up with another engaging voice if someone wanted an intro to philosophy. That's pretty specific dude... Wanna talk about it?
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I thought being aggressive and violent made you cool but I was just an rear end in a top hat kid and really just a poser when it came to being violent anyway
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:That's pretty specific dude... I've read it so long ago that I probably can't really be any more specific. If I remember correctly, Bertrand hated anyone influenced by German Romanticism and most philosophers that are celebrated for their prose style more than their ideas. He also shits on Lord Byron for a few pages IIRC, which weirded me out, because there are a shitload of other poets that are arguably quasi-philosophers, but in no way does Byron belong in an introductory book about philosophers. I guess a book to balance it out would actually have to be a specific response or review of it because the choices he makes toward the end are sort of idiosyncratic, but I think that's a problem with any Grand History Of Anything-the author is always going to make mistakes on rating historical importance as they approach their own times and historical hindsight fades. I still agree its better than any birds-eye view I've read.
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Flocons de Jambon posted:I fell for the liberal nonsense about how important it was to be an individual before I ever experienced the pleasures of conformity. Do you like Huey Lewis and the News?
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