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Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

NeuralSpark posted:

EDIT: Can anyone ID the CPU heatsink here:
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/01...e91136410857bde

EDIT 2: Looks like it's a NH-L12S, which is list at 70mm where as the case is limited to 66. :(
I think that's the older 66mm L12: http://noctua.at/en/nh-l12.html, the new L12S wouldn't fit in that case

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Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Olivil posted:

Instead of a gaming SFF, how stupid would it be to run something like a NUC with an external GPU? I'm talking GTX 1080 class GPU.

I figure there's always an overhead with an external GPU but it seems so much easier to manage the temperature, and so I would guess less thermal throttle. Maybe it gets even in the end?
Most GPU enclosures are basically the same size and price as the DAN Case, so I don't see the benefits outweighing separating the GPU and downgrading the processor to a NUC class CPU.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

buglord posted:

I dropped in a i7 8700, paired with a Noctua NH L9i. Coffee Lake lives up to the "coffee" part of its name, because my temps while playing Watch Dogs 2 hover around 75C. I hit around 90C when playing Kingdom Come Deliverance. Hit 100C a few times when running Prime 95. Reseated the heatsink a number of times, made sure I was using the right amount of thermal paste. But im starting to think that's the compromise with ITX systems containing hot processors with little room for gigantic heatsinks.
I think the simple solution here is to just get a larger heatsink since the switch to SFX from ATX should get you at least 70 mm of clearance if you used the asymmetric SilverStone ATX->SFX bracket. Definitely enough for a L9x65 or L12S or most of the beefier low profile coolers.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
A 140mm fan at the front would probably help a bit here.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

tonic posted:

So I just put together my system and it's working great-- I had one major issue during my build though. I used the Cryorig M9 cooler and, for whatever reason, the cooler mounting plate seems to sit too close to one of the ram slots and blocks me from loading a DIMM in that spot.

Anyone with this motherboard/cooler had a similar issue? I reseated the cooler completely and it didn't seem to help, so I'm not really sure what to do. Almost just considering buying a 16GB DIMM to put in the one slot and returning the 2x8GB.
That's weird, one of the advertised feature of this cooler seems to be that it doesn't infringe on RAM at all, and the exclusion zone around the socket is a part of the spec.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
A sort of interesting new ITX case release:

https://smallformfactor.net/reviews/cases/raijinteks-ophion-evo-tempered-glass-rgb-but-sff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swMI93IN9_Y

Basically an A4 with tempered glass sides and double the volume. Much larger but can fit a lot more stuff.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

NihilCredo posted:

Why keep the GPU vertical when it's going to get its intake fans choked by the glass panel? :thunk:
There is also an alternative perforated side panel. Though supposedly if you get enough vertical airflow it's fine, the prototype DAN C4 has a similar layout: https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/dan-c4-sfx.3345/

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Isn't the extra tall RAM the main source of incompatibility here?

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

buglord posted:

I'm getting the case itch again. I basically want a Sugo SG13 but with better quality materials and a silver/white finish. Maybe something that was way higher CPU cooler clearance but that's kinda asking a bunch for a case that small.
Seems like the silver NCase is the logical choice here

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Target Practice posted:

I don't really want to shell out for water cooling on both the GPU and CPU, and it seems like the CPU would need it more?
I think it's the opposite, GPUs with 120mm radiators outperform every air cooled GPU due to size and weight limitations on the card (and a blower is the worst GPU cooling you can get). Whereas larger CPU coolers easily outperform 120 and 140mm radiators.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Maybe? There are examples of people using AIOs for the CPU, the GPU or both on PCPartPicker (though none of the 20xx hybrids are out yet afaik):



I'm 90% sure that a blower cooler is still worse than open air cooling even with an ATX PSU blocking some of the airflow.

Llamadeus fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Nov 6, 2018

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

orcane posted:

As you can see the A4 is exceptionally small for having room for standard parts - the 50 mm CPU cooler clearance is really its biggest downside.
The clearance is so restrictive that Dan designed an entire cooler around it, which seems like a good way to go if you're sticking to air cooling

https://www.alpenfoehn.de/en/products/cpu-cooler/black-ridge-en

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
And/or maybe move up to the new platinum SFs, the new cables are more flexible and easier to work with supposedly.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

orcane posted:

Note: Corsair sells ATX-SFX brackets too.
Double note: the platinum Corsair SFX units come with ATX brackets, though they're not perforated like the Silverstone ones are.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Raijintek also do cases with a similar layout (PSU at the front), not if they're exactly cheap though: http://www.raijintek.com/en/products_detail.php?ProductID=52

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
I guess for some reason they really can't afford to hire just one person with half a clue about design or aesthetics.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
It's mostly still the same alternatives eg the SG13B or the Cougar QBX, plus cases releasing soon that were shown off at Computex, eg the Silverstone case above or: https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/coolermaster-h100-airflow-case-computex,news-60825.html

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
I don't see why a U9S wouldn't be fine here, it's better than the stock cooler which is itself more than adequate

(not that you shouldn't build a custom loop if you just want to build a custom loop, it's just that the 3700X is a ~90W cpu with almost no overclocking headroom.)

Llamadeus fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jul 11, 2019

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

ilkhan posted:

Anything smaller than the Fractal Nano S that supports a 280mm front rad? Not seeing anything on my searches. The Nano is literally as short as it can get and support the 280, so I doubt there is much.
Different form factor and like an order of magnitude more in price but... https://www.sliger.com/products/cases/sm580/

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
They just posted details on the newest revision too: https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/ncase-m1-v6-info.10687/

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
I think that's because the A4 has a regular Type A header on the inside, if you wanted to connect an actual Type C to a B450 board you'd need something like this: https://silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=871&area=en

Looks like the upcoming Asus Mini-DTX X570 board might be one of the only small AM4 motherboards with a Gen2 connector.

Llamadeus fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Aug 25, 2019

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Not sure what's being implied here :confused:

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

The United States posted:

What do you mean by "horizontal case" because that sure doesn't look horizontal.
The newegg page doesn't show it for some reason, but the feet can be repositioned and the entire case turned on its side: http://www.lian-li.com/pc-q50/

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
The airflow also seems pretty bad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYZ_iMzozZ0&t=371s

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Seems to me like a fairly practical route would be just swapping to a slightly bigger case with better cooling potential, like the upcoming T1 or something https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/formd-t1-sidearmd-cnc-aio-9-5l.9933/

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Are you sure you actually need VLP RAM? Coolers generally don't require it (notable exception being the Black Ridge with a 120mm fan underneath) because it's not a common consumer part and every photo of the Shadow Rock LP show it with regular memory.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Canna Happy posted:

If I were looking for a case right now, I’d be waiting for a review of the cooler master nr200 before I bought anything.
It looks... good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k1B2tai1yg

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Going by the listed clearance Scythe Fuma 2 or Noctua NH-C14S with two fans.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
The U12A is overpriced anyway, I wouldn't buy it for anything. The C14S is probably equal or better performance for less, and there's the Scythe coolers etc.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
32L even seems like a reasonable size when you compare it to the ITX case Asus just released

https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-Z11/overview/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiNnwHk_ZKs

(literally 40L)

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
I think the next logical step for more airflow is just to do what the Dancase C4 prototype does and allow flipping the entire case, giving the GPU access to direct airflow:

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Even if there isn't you might still be able to set PPT like with Zen 2

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GhFSSLp-mE

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005


Upcoming Sliger cases, basically an NCASE-sized Cerberus, but with a wider variant that fits a D15(S)

https://imgur.com/a/Dg6FO8b

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
https://youtu.be/uTwPn3JWfV4

This looks good

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

Warmachine posted:

To my untrained brain there are two factors to consider when trying to rate it--the amount of energy in watts, and the target temperature in C. So an ideal rating would provide something like 125W/60C, stating that this thing will keep a 125W load at or around 60C. From there you could scale based on whatever function governs the relationship. So if the relationship was linear (lol) and you had a 170W load, you could expect roughly 81C on the same cooler.
This happens to be one of the terms in Noctua's rating system, max load at 60 C (albeit with a very low weighting)

https://noctua.at/en/noctua-standardised-performance-rating

Llamadeus fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jul 30, 2021

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
One of the even smaller Silverstone options might be a better fit, the ML09 or new ML10.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Helps that the Corsair platinum SFX specifically is considered to be a very good PSU

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
Incidentally the next M1 is going to be even smaller: https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/formd-x-ncase.17774/

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Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005

BrainDance posted:

Man, these cases look like I could squeeze the hdds in there. I am not above just taping stuff to a weird spot in the case where hdds shouldn't be. But, I'm sure it's different in person when I actually gotta do it.

An AIO would be doable if that frees up some space for the drives.

Thanks, this actually clears things up a lot. 2 sticks of ram is my plan anyway. So then, mATX is bigger than mini-ITX? If mini-ITX is mini, what even is normal ITX? Either way, would mATX give me more space for those drives?
If you wanted to go all out on 3.5 inch drives... https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/computer-chassis/CS330/

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