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genesplicer posted:No, illustration/design. He did most of the ships/interiors in voyager, as well as the displays. He got his Emmy for Carl Sagan's "Cosmos". You know Rick Sternbach?  And honestly, yeah the writing was dogshit most of the time, but Voyager really was very competently produced.
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A ILL BREAKFAST posted:pretty sure 7-of-9 is solely responsible for my skintight clothing fetish. never watched ds9 but this ezri lady is pretty fine please god remove catsuits from your plan for space opera
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May 23, 2016 16:11
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Blistex posted:Also by the end of season II they went from "fledgling Earth ship" to "toughest mutherfuckers in space" because 9/11 happened and America collectively lost its goddamn minds
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May 23, 2016 18:02
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Luxury Communism posted:Daily reminder that Commander Chipotle was literally John Redcorn from King of the Hill in outer space. No joke King of the Hill was probably more respectful towards Native Americans than Star Trek Voyager. That's because Voyager managed to hire a total charlatan and fraud as their advisor on Native Americans.
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May 23, 2016 20:21
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Volcott posted:Was Janeway bipolar. Not really, the producers just couldn't decide on how her character should be written, and instead of getting all the writers and producers together and hammering out a consensus they just all went off and wrote her the way they individually wanted to.
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May 23, 2016 20:23
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shadow puppet of a posted:She lost a beauty contest to Harry Kim IRL and was sent off in a shuttle craft to the ugly nebula. he's not kidding. the Voyager producers basically didn't want to pay for another useless character nobody wanted to write for, so they were getting ready to fire Garrett Wang to make room for Seven of Nine when suddenly some bullshit magazine list comes out and ranks him one of the Top 50 Sexiest Men Of The Year or something inane like that. so they instead decided to fire Jennifer Lien instead, because obviously there must be people watching just because he's so hunky.
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May 24, 2016 23:24
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criscodisco posted:The time he got an STD from some alien chick should have been a tentacle rape scene yeah and the one time he actually got laid janeway completely busted his balls like i think she even basically said "if it was tom paris i wouldn't really give a poo poo but i am very disappointed in you, mister!!"
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May 25, 2016 04:25
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If Voyager was just a poo poo show nobody would care about it so much, the thing that drove every Trek fan up the wall was that it started out with a brilliant loving premise and setup that then instantly got pissed away so they could just alternate between rehashing TNG scripts and doing stupid ratings stunts for Paramount's abortion of a TV network.
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May 25, 2016 15:38
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criscodisco posted:But it won a daytime Emmy or something. It got an Emmy for makeup.
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May 25, 2016 15:39
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shadow puppet of a posted:Still can't believe Picard was such a dick to him with that "you're drinking the gift I got Guinan" passive aggressive poo poo. I wish I could interview at least one or two of the late-TNG writers, because one of the questions I would love to ask is "so did you guys ever pick up on how weirdly cliquey you started to write the cast?" Also "did you guys set about making the Enterprise a flying death trap on purpose, or did that just kind of happen?"
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May 25, 2016 15:42
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Monkey Fracas posted:oh my god the episode where in their Lust For Coffee they accidentally bust open an enormous intergalactic organism's skin and then decide they have to go back in in there and fix it is ridiculous but somehow boring at the same time my favorite is an early episode (maybe the second or third episode?) when the doctor's all "i need to talk to the captain" "oh uh the captain's missing" "the captain... is missing... *sigh* seems this really is the voyage of the damned."
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May 26, 2016 16:55
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Automatic Slim posted:Remember, waste matter is transformed into food. Everything replicated is just transformed waste matter. rabbit eats grass wolf eats rabbit wolf shits on ground poo poo fertilizes grass rabbit eats grass the circle of life, man. that glass of water in your hand might have been dinosaur piss eons ago.
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May 28, 2016 01:09
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papa_november posted:even better is that the amiga 4000 video toaster/sgi indigo/sun ultrasparc/dec alpha that all the effects assets were kept on got tossed out and will likely never be recovered so we're pretty much stuck with that for all eternity i dunno how much effort those old assets would have ultimately saved, though. i mean, can you just take old video toaster files and stick them in modern software and click "set resolution to 1920x1080" and render? honestly even if TNG blurays had done mindblowingly good and even if the digital assets were fully preserved, there's still a really good chance Warner Bros wouldn't have been bothered to lift a finger. not only was B5 never as popular, but WB in general never seemed to like B5 all that much. there was some really weird and nasty corporate politics going on with WB and the "PTEN" unit that B5 belonged to. Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 08:18 on May 29, 2016 |
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also i'd wonder at how well the B5 film got catalogued and archived. Paramount was pretty good about saving all the film from TNG and even that project had trouble tracking down the right film segments sometimes. it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Warner Bros
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May 29, 2016 08:17
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bollig posted:Season 5 episode 9: What's hilarious is that they re-promote him to Lieutenant and Harry stays an Ensign to the very end, because "someone's got to be the Ensign" and the Voyager producers hated actual change on the show or something.
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May 30, 2016 21:47
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papa_november posted:Yeah, I get the feeling that B5's effects would look even cheesier at anything beyond 480i. They're also simple enough to redo given a big enough budget. Yeah, I don't feel like the TNG sets really suffered that badly from high-def. Like, okay, sometimes you see some imperfections... but so what, we all know it's a show anyway. And, yeah, Rick Sternbach was a big anime fan - there are Dirty Pair references all over the show, to the point where he even blatantly uses Nanmo as a model not once but twice:    Big Mean Jerk posted:The real benefit to TNG HD was the color correction. No more magenta uniforms. Absolutely. I tell people, look, even if you don't have a fancy bigscreen, hell even if you're watching on some old tube television, the blurays are going to look SO much better because it's not the pink haze in the first couple seasons and you're not going to have the effects artifacting from the video editing process they used. (Which isn't a slam on TNG - it was crucial in helping them control costs when it was made) Which is why it was so painful to see my friends posting "oh yeah, watching TNG again on Netflix!" when the blurays were coming out.  criscodisco posted:Not really. Everyone either hung out in the dining hall or the old timey Irish town. Yeah, set construction is heinously expensive, and even on a show as lavishly budgeted as TNG, a new set could still mean you don't get to do something else that's even cooler. Battlestar Galactica only got to introduce the Pegasus because of a Lost in Space pilot that failed to sell, so BSG was able to scavenge and redress the sets. What about when TNG did their poker games, though? Was that in anyone's actual living quarters? Maybe that was intended to be set in a little side lounge.
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Decrepus posted:posted from the Battle Bridge there's that episode Disaster where the ship gets completely hosed up and Picard is stuck in an elevator with some kids because they were going to take a tour of the ship with ~*the Captain*~ when poo poo went down and at the beginning, before everything went spoon-faced, one of the kids asks "hey can we see the photon torpedoes, or the battle bridge??" and Picard basically says "uh... nnnno... but we're totally going to see the arboretum!" then at the end of the episode Captain Picard says "I think it's time for that tour... starting with the battle bridge." and the kids' faces light up, it's such a sweet moment most of the TNG episodes with little kids are godawful, but that one was pretty decent
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BattleMaster posted:My favourite part of DS9 is that they had to start writing Gul Dukat as an insane madman because Marc Alaimo is so charismatic that people actually believed Dukat's bullshit. Also so charismatic that at least some of the DS9 writers were seriously considering having Dukat and Kira somehow wind up in a consensual relationship (or at least a consensual bang session).
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the idea behind synthehol was supposed to be that it tastes just like the real thing, doesn't give you a hangover, even gets you buzzed as gently caress if you want, but you can just "shake it off" and sober up at will if you need to (like if there's a red alert or if you want to be able to give sober and informed consent or w/e). either gene roddenberry or david gerrold even thought that it had been invented by the Ferengi - the idea being that it lets you have both the social lubricant of intoxication, and the sobriety for not getting hosed over in a business negotiation. but then some dipshit writers got in and decided that it would be cooler to cast it as this knockoff bud-lite thing that nobody prefers to "the real thing". it's the same kind of ~*artisanally handcrafted*~ bullshit sentiment we rightfully mock today, but in the space-future.
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Crowsbeak posted:I always thought all the TNG movies were flawed. But why the hell didn't they have Sela as the villain in that? because John Logan can't write a fuckin' laundry list
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FrensaGeran posted:Everyone hates Neelix cause he's comic relief but people forget the time he ordered a crew member to desecrate the burial mound of a primitive culture to make weapons from the bones. lol what episode was that, i think i need to
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whoflungpoop posted:'women love equality' - some guy in the 80s gene roddenberry once said "yes, we use women as sex objects. we also use men as sex objects. i've been used as a sex object myself, it's great fun."
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Lord of Pie posted:Geordi was such a creeper that he was the only person to get a promotion in seven years and they still couldn't get him off the ship Worf also got promoted from Lieutenant junior-grade to full Lieutenant. Geordi just got promoted really quickly early on.
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Booblord Zagats posted:Didnt data and worf get promoted to? Data never got promoted. He started the series a Lieutenant Commander and died the same rank.
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Volcott posted:I thought the rub was they could make artificial human organs, but they didn't know enough about Neelex's species to do it right. I think with the... ugh... holographic organs, it's less "we made actual holographic copies of Talaxian lungs" and more "the holographic forcefields are just doing the gas exchange work in place of the organs that should be there". Easier to use the forcefields to do the mechanical task than to create biological cellular structures that will function properly and be compatible with the rest of Neelix's body. Or at least, that would have been a sensible-enough explanation. I'm sure Voyager's writers found ways to be dumber, though.
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Automatic Slim posted:That sounds about right. any time the transporter gets used to fix someone, you should assume it's a one-off that's never going to be mentioned again because the writers wanted some terrible poo poo to happen to someone they couldn't actually write off the show although that said TNG did reuse (or at least reference) several of the technotricks they pulled out of their rear end.
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Roylicious posted:lmao if that doesn't give you some psychological issues I dunno what will. I'm imagining a scene where Julian runs into Keiko in the turbolift or whatever, and blithely mentions "oh yeah that perfect clone of O'Brien? His dying words were that he loved you. Isn't that romantic?  "
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The Sphinxster posted:I am not tng savvy enough to cite instances but it was frustrating that he had this encyclopedic knowledge and they would still have these "lol, androids right?" moments of incompetence. It just doesn't make sense. I dunno. There's still a couple of possibilities: - Ol' Oftenwrong Soong uploaded vast sums of information into Data, but was aware enough to know that idioms shift and change over the years, so he programs Data to feign ignorance as a means of updating his cultural database in a way that doesn't have him contradicting people and coming across as an often-wrong know-it-all. Hell, look at what happens when he thinks he knows the right answer and tells Captain Jean-Luc Picard that French is a dead obscure language.  - Data's vast encyclopedic knowledge is separate from his personality, if that makes any sense; he's got a running memory that includes things like "Counselor Troi likes ice cream" or "Baldy and Beardy outrank me and can give me orders", but when presented with something substantially different like archaic slang or "can we do a saucer separation while the warp engines are running flat-out" he has to either ask around or do an internal library search which costs extra cycles - and since asking both A) returns the most current information, and B) presents a closer emulation of humanoid behavior (which is what he's designed to do), that's what he chooses when he thinks it'll produce results. That said, it is an inconsistent behavior. I'm pretty sure the writers usually just went with whichever felt funnier for a given scene. (So obviously, Soong designed Data to be funny in the context of being a character on a space opera...) Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Cthulu Carl posted:Miles tells Keiko about the duplicate O'Brien and she's all "Yeah, he was much better in bed, so I knew something was up and that you'd eventually spoil it." As I recall, she actually specifically avoided physical intimacy with clone-Miles. (Please, tell me there's at least one other poster in this thread who thinks "LOL KEIKO IS SUCH A RAGING BITCH, AM I RITE??" is completely played out.)
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vortmax posted:
well keep in mind that Q was trying to tempt Riker with god powers, so it's entirely possible that when Riker cast "make 10 years older" Q quietly curveballed it a little and altered the image completely
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:maybe we should structure the thread so as to have no continuity between posts so new readers arent confused? I suggest we use a tractor beam to alter the thread's trajectory. 
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Police Automaton posted:I remember the website of a sort of disgruntled technical/science advisor for TNG writers who talked about how he got largely ignored. Anyone know what I'm talking about? Yeah, it was Krieger Waves. quote:n the course of two years, the writers at ST:TNG (under the direction of co-Executive Producer Michael Piller) ignored probably a good 60% of everything I had to say, and that was just in the technical realm. I did my best to restrain the growth of the Star Trek particle zoo, but the writing staff, particularly during Season Four (1990-91) seemed addicted to the "Particle of the Week" syndrome.
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rocket_man38 posted:So glad season 5 of Enterprise got cancelled, so many lovely ideas were in the works. Borg Queen origin episode for example. I guess I shouldn't be surprised but ugghhhhhhhhhh
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FrensaGeran posted:The Borg Queen wasn't human you stupid fucks. I remember years ago there was an article that made the rounds, and it basically said (I think it might even have been the title) "Star Wars fans hate Star Wars." It was a little cheeky and reductive, as I recall, but not devoid of insight. I realized some time ago that while it would be easy for me to say something similar about Star Trek, it's not really true. Because I don't hate Star Trek; yeah sure I think a lot of the material is dogshit, but at the end of the day I still really dig that old-time space opera. It's the idiot writers I hate. gently caress those guys. Big Mean Jerk posted:IIRC they had also planned on revisiting some of the alien races introduced in the TOS cartoon series  Heh! Get it? Get it?? PUSSYFOOTING? 
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Volcott posted:Really they should just put a cloak on every ship and only switch them on when the Klingons start poo poo like in DS9. i too am excited by the prospect of seeing a space fight where all the ships are invisible
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bitterandtwisted posted:Worf takes a vacation: joins ISIS actually worf took a vacation and wound up getting swept through multiple parallel dimensions, inadvertently getting a parallel Geordi killed, and triggering a dimensional rift where the local sector of space started to fill up with parallel Enterprises (which resulted in one of them getting destroyed)
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Hector Beerlioz posted:That's MISTER John Colicos to you i will not hear words spoken against John Colicos
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wait so the huge turbonerd ignores the videogame in favor of mackin' on a hot lady and you guys still bust his nuts?? the gently caress is wrong with you
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criscodisco posted:It does sorta make sense, if the crew is 99% human, but it does get old. if they did only actual historical examples, people would be all "heh guess history ended in the 20th century!" and if they did only future examples people would be all "who's this 'glip-glop' fella the captain just referenced, did i miss something when i got back late from going to the shitter during commercial??" viewers were/are dumb, DS9 got a lot of letters from people angry about them destroying Captain Picard and the Enterprise when the Odyssey bit it in the first Jem'Hadar episode
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