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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

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Microwaves Mom posted:

Deep Space 9 was better.

Watching that guy get his head caved in with a fire extinguisher in the movie "Irreversible" was better than watching Voyager.

Voyager had a shitload of potential, but B&B pretty much ruined if from the get-go with . . .

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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

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How much long-lasting mental damage do you think would occur if you let Avery Brooks babysit your 3 year old for the day?

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Oct 30, 2003

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Action Jacktion posted:

People seem to have a real personal hate for Janeway because she didn't get the ship home (there might be some some sexism in there too though I can't be sure) but they ignore that it was just a TV show and the writers didn't want that to happen.

There's one story where another Starfleet ship is getting home somehow by murdering a race of weird aliens and fans' reaction was "Why can't you genocide the drat aliens, Janeway? loving bitch!"

I think that a lot of the hate was passed on to Janeway because that they almost literally reset the episodes and didn't even explore some of the concepts of being one ship on the other end of the galaxy. With the exception of replicator rationing, they never seemed to be facing shortages (save an episode or two) and they always upheld the Federation morals. It could have been a lot more interesting if the ship got progressively more and more damaged, but enhanced with different technology they picked up along the way. Maybe a whole month (4 episodes) of them being on the verge of losing their warp capabilities. They never addressed crew shortages, or lack of new torpedoes, or the fact that they tore through 50 shuttlecraft a season. Was there even more than 2 episodes that addressed that 1/2 the crew was Marquis?

The biggest problem was that they had to keep away from plot-arcs, (with a few 2-4 part episode exceptions) so the start of every episode was "fresh crew, new adventure". Also how were they in Kazon space for over a season? Should have been 3 episodes make if they actually used their warp drives.

p.s. Neelix hosed a 3 year old!

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Oct 30, 2003

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Chomp8645 posted:

Fun fact: Armin Shimmerman plays at least two different Ferengi 1930's racist Jewish caricatures in early TNG.

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Oct 30, 2003

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Typical Pubbie posted:

Ah, good, the Babylon 5 thread is back.

I saw 2 minutes of that a year ago while flipping channels. . . . it has not held up well at all.

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Oct 30, 2003

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CabaretVoltaire posted:

something about the makeup, lighting or something made every woman in voyager completely unattractive. even if you can see everything's in it's right place and you should find them attractive. nothing. might as well be looking at dogs

Virginia Madsen was pretty hot.

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VectorSigma posted:

it got canceled just as it was getting decent and then it was all just a fat riker dream

Pretty much this. They were re-treading a shitload of left-over Voyager garbage with the holograms, the Borg, and other stuff right from the get-go. Also by the end of season II they went from "fledgling Earth ship" to "toughest mutherfuckers in space" because they just happened to get phasers and photon torpedoes and better shields in the span of a year. Enterprise was about 50-50 decent/garbage until the last season. The temporal cold war was loving stupid, and if they wanted a year-long arc, they should have just started something with the Romulans.

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VectorSigma posted:

i don't know why they'd even want another harry but they kept it

Dude had loving "helicopter parents". His character was was 100% accurate based on this one fact.

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Oct 30, 2003

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treiz01 posted:

Nine pages in and no one has, as far as I know, mentioned the best thing to come out of Voyager:



Aww yusss.

Seriously though, this game was a ton of fun, I spent way too much time playing its deathmatch and you bet your sweet bippy I bought a boxed copy of the expansion pack!

Most everything Raven did was gold. I scored a Warez version before I bought a hardcopy, and there were a few alternate endings that never showed up in the retail copy.

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treiz01 posted:

Waa huh? Like, your copy was a beta or something and had stuff that didn't show up in the final code?

Yup. Hard to remember now, but one of the endings had the Borg assimilating the main alien enemy after you crippled their shields.

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Iron Crowned posted:

They eventually got the mobile transmitter for the Dr. but I suspect it was because they realized he was the only character anyone liked, and needed him to be able to go elsewhere.

Also, I suspect that much like on the Enterprise when Data ran the night shift, the Dr. ran the night shift.

The Doctor and Seven were the only Characters the writers even bothered putting effort into after season 4. The rest of the cast (other than Janeway) felt like they were essentially guest stars or extras as they almost had to remind the writers that they existed. Robert Beltran got to the point where he would deliver one line an episode, and then sleep in his trailer for the rest of the week.

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Nucleic Acids posted:

Not a whole lot.

Tom got to gently caress her in an alternate timeline.

http://pix11.com/2015/09/16/star-trek-voyager-actress-jennifer-lien-charged-with-indecent-exposure/

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Professor Shark posted:

Man a BSG-style remake of Voyager would be awesome. Imagine worrying about how hosed you are on the other side of the galaxy and then you realize you realize the only way home it through Borg space

This was sort of what was supposed to happen until they were told, "no story arcs". So no matter what episode you picked up at, you didn't need to know anything other than the general premise of the show.

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Ibogaine posted:

Anyway, back to "Dark Frontier part 2", because I don't even remember if Beltran was even in that episode.

By season 4, his job was basically delivering one line per episode.

"Captain, this situation looks dangerous, maybe we should. . . " <cut>

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Professor Shark posted:

lol he was the flavor vanilla in Asian form

I love how the original series is the only one that got their token Asian character right.

George Takei: Japanese, portraying Japanese Crewmember
Rosalind Chao: Chinese, portraying a Japanese Crewmember
Garrett Wang: Chinese, portraying a Korean Crewmember
Linda Park: Korean, portraying a Japanese Crewmember
John Cho: Korean, portraying a Japanese Crewmember

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Oct 30, 2003

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Professor Shark posted:

I listened to an interview with George Takei this afternoon, I didn't know he was held at one of the POW camps during WWII

Internment camps. They took actual US citizens and placed them into prison camps (infants up to senior citizens, regardless if they were 1st, 2nd, or 5th generation Americans). Naturally they seized all of their possessions and didn't compensate them either.

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criscodisco posted:

Yeah but the white people were OK, right?

Canada interned some Germans and Austrians during The Great War and WWII.

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Oct 30, 2003

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Anyway, George Takei is awesome, but he is waaaay too hung up on William Shatner.

George also did an episode of Voyager when Tuvok was fighting a repressed memory alien.

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Oct 30, 2003

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rocket_man38 posted:

Well Bashir and Kira dated IRL. So did worf and Jadzia. I think it had something to do with that. I think brooks was racist or so people claimed anyway.

She started out with Brooks (Sisko) then hooked up with Siddig (Bashir), so that might have been a source of tension on set as well.

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JediTalentAgent posted:

Captain's Log:

Due to ship wide repair problems, I've ordered the Voyager's computer to replace the EMH matrix with a temporary repair technician hologram best suited for this ship.

After analyzing all of Starfleets best minds and engineers, it's recreated perfectly a crewman name Miles O'Brien.

Capts. Log Supplemental:

The O'Brien Hologram repeatedly has achieved sentience and committed 'digital suicide'. Each revision of the holomatrix eventually has him experiencing some form of existential torment after a matter of hours of being activated and self-deleting, as if its mere existence is a universal constant of suffering. However, the repairs must continue, so as needed we'll continue to active the TRT Hologram of O'Brien as frequently as the need arises.

Miles O'Brian thread was the greatest thing ever.

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shadow puppet of a posted:

Neelix combat-hosed that tall klingon woman. He could probably beat the poo poo out of me.

He did it on Tuvok's bed as well. Tuvok had to sleep that night in a puddle of Neelix's ball sweat.

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etalian posted:

I liked the goon story of the time he ran into Garret Wang in a strip club and Garrett also begged him for a weed money loan

The best is still the goon who spergs out when he meets Robert Picardo at a convention and says something along the lines of, " you were the only good actor on Voyager" and pisses him off. The goon still asked for a picture of Picardo and he naturally looks really annoyed/pissed in it.

Edit: does anyone still have the pic?

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The Sphinxster posted:

It's in the thread. I didn't get annoyed/pissed from it but it's there.

Are you Neelix?

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Oct 30, 2003

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FrensaGeran posted:

Everyone always forgets the underrated sequel, when I went back the next year and he spotted me


Robert Picardo remembered you from a one-time meeting a year prior to this picture being taken, and instinctively made that face? WHAT THE gently caress did you say to him to leave that kind of an impression? I'm guess at these conventions he has to interact with hundreds of weird, smelly, awkward nerds a day, how did he remember you specifically?

-He has a photographic memory?
-You're the gooniest looking person at the convention?
-You have a distinctive odour?
-You were the most insulting/autistic person he dealt with that day?

Please tell me you were wearing a very distinctive t-shirt both times.

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Oct 30, 2003

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Cthulu Carl posted:

I like how there were like several episodes where Hoshi's primary concern is the wellbeing of one of Phlox's slugs.

Empress Hoshi in the Mirror Universe arc was a legit good/hilarious ending. Did not see that coming.

In my second year of University I had a class where we had a group project and my group had 3 international students from Korea. At the time Linda Park and Grace Park were the two biggest Koreans on North American TV, and the two Korean girls and one Korean guy in my group would always mention how pissed they were that the two ugliest Koreans alive were stars in the US. Thank god they never watched Grey's Anatomy.

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Oct 30, 2003

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This will always be his best one, and the best Star Trek edit ever!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxCW9xmamzQ

Germstore posted:

an un-plastic surgeried face must have come as a real shock

Pretty much! They didn't like grace park because she was too dark, and her eyebrows were too big, and her nose was too big, and her chin was too big. . . etc. They didn't like Linda Park because her head and nose were too big and her body was too flat.

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Oct 30, 2003

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oldpainless posted:

What I'm saying here is the Cardassians were the best drat characters in the show.

Pretty much this!

I challenge anyone to find a Cardi in DS9 that was not in one way or another awesome. (actual characters, not extras with 1 line).

Dukat, Garek, Damar, Tain, The one that tried to bang O'Brien, etc... Generally speaking, I think that the Cardassians were the best characters in TNG/Voyager as well.

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Hector Beerlioz posted:

I think I'll be a starship barber

"A bald captain. . . gently caress me!"

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

My favorite Dukat moment is when he showed up in The Naked Gun 33 & 1/3

"What do you mean no?"

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Hector Beerlioz posted:

Also Garak was the killer from Dirty Harry

Dukat was in the last Dirty Harry movie as a Mafia bodyguard.

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Wowbagger2004 posted:

Also some good comments:

Checks out.

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Crowsbeak posted:

Seska was the smartest member of Voyagers crew.

Pretty much the only instance of clever writing, and not "technobabble" was when her Kazon ships were harrassing Voyager, and kept attacking this one subsystem of the ship. Janeway and the crew are stumped why she is doing that, as it's not slowing them down, or damaging their weapons. Then when they get captured it turns out that one of the things that subsystem did was control the auto destruct.

In the end the day was saved when the two most interesting characters on the show (the Psycho-Killer and the doctor) retake the ship.

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Hector Beerlioz posted:

I thought they had a big handbook full of the "rules" like no transporter with the shuelds up for the writers.

Roddenberry did have a "rule book" that was enforced until some time in TNG I think.

- Shields =/= transporting
- Always need an even number of warp nacells
- Earth had to always be a perfect utopia
- I get first crack at all the new female interns.

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criscodisco posted:

There was an episode where they had to go through a region of space with proximity mines or something, and Janeway said to Paris "what's the first thing they teach you about warp speed?" and he had some stupid rhyme like "only fly straight, get through the gate" or something equally dumb.

They wound up programming the autopilot to fly for a bit, drop out of warp, turn, fly for a bit, drop out of warp, turn, repeat until they were clear of the trouble.

All that instead of, you know, flying under or over the problem area. Trek always forgets that space has 3 dimensions.

"Faster than light, no left of right" :negative: Why do I remember this?

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Hector Beerlioz posted:

I remember an embarrassing amount too, that's why I'm having fun in this thread.

If you reveal that you know enough Star Trek trivia INTERPOL and the your local law enforcement's pedo divisions will put you on a watchlist.

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Hector Beerlioz posted:

Remind me to post pics of that one guy's apartment for sale who turned it into a voyager quarters replica. It was for sale cause he was going to jail for...yup, you guessed it.

From an old Macleans article...

quote:

The first thing detectives from the Toronto police sex crimes unit saw when they entered Roderick Cowan's apartment was an autographed picture of William Shatner. Along with the photos on the computer of Scott Faichnie, also busted for possessing child porn, they found a snapshot of the pediatric nurse and Boy Scout leader wearing a dress "Federation" uniform. Another suspect had a TV remote control shaped like a phaser. Yet another had a Star Trek credit card in his wallet. One was using "Picard" as his screen name. In the 3 1/2 years since police in Canada's biggest city established a special unit to tackle child pornography, investigators have been through so many dwellings packed with sci-fi books, DVDs, toys and collectibles like Klingon swords and sashes that it's become a dark squadroom joke. "We always say there are two types of pedophiles: Star Trek and Star Wars," says Det. Ian Lamond, the unit's second-in-command. "But it's mostly Star Trek."

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Hector Beerlioz posted:

They got the wrath of khan/undiscovered country director working on the new star trek tv show.

That's really hopeful news.

I'm hoping Nicholas Meyer has absolute creative control over the series and has collected some decent writers.

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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

was it paris who had a super crush on the 3 year old or the other way around

In one of the alternate reality episodes he scored some 4 year old back-pussy and they had a kid on a shuttlecraft.

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The Sphinxster posted:

I'm watching the DS9 episode Children of Time and

The DS9 time travel episode where they go to the TOS era was awesome.

"We don't talk about it" - Worf

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Hector Beerlioz posted:

Mothefucker I will close this thread right now

Awwww... Someone can't outsmart Moriarty and wants to end the program?

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

please don't lets all just try to remember roddenberrys vision of a united, friendly human race :ohdear:

Roddenberry's only vision was to slay several kilotons of Top-Shelf pussy, which he did.

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