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Sad that I'm broke till Friday and then going out of town (away from my PC) all Memorial day weekend, so I'll miss out on the first week fun. I do have a philosophical question though. In any new FPS game, you will notice that if you're semi-competent at FPS games in general, you will feel like Mars the God of War the first couple of days post-launch, or like when a game gets a free weekend on Steam, getting a huge KD ration and just stomping people. A week later you'll get your poo poo pushed in until you actually git gud. My question is: does this happen because the people who suck get better that quickly, or because they just stop playing?
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That's nuts! I mean MMOs do that poo poo because they need to keep that Skinner box going to keep you subscribing for months. There's no justificiation for that poo poo in a game that you're not intended to play for 1,000 hours.
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May 23, 2016 19:32
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I'm still not even sure what Battleborn even loving is. I'm not sure Gearbox even knows. It seems like they just randomly combined elements of everything that was trendy six months ago into a thing and then advertised it poorly. Overwatch, at least for now, seems to know exactly what it is.
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May 23, 2016 19:36
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The elevator pitch for Overwatch is so simple: "If Team Fortress 3 had been made by Blizzard in 2016." The elevator pitch for Battleborn from the guy who's ultimately in charge of selling it: "Battleborn is: FPS; hobby-grade coop campaign; genre-blended, multi-mode competitive e-sports; meta-growth, choice + epic heroes." What does that even mean?
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May 23, 2016 19:54
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Can you imagine how terrible it would be if they let the community make hero skins the way CS:GO lets people make weapon skins?
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May 23, 2016 20:21
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Go switch-flipper!! GOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmmgx_jPlKI
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May 23, 2016 22:30
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Just noticed that two of the Omnics we know about so far are named Zenyatta and Mondatta. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenyatta_Mondatta
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May 24, 2016 04:02
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Turtle Sandbox posted:I can't wait till you cannot communicate with other people in online games because people literally cannot handle hearing a single insult and muting someone. When anyone who is actually going to cooperate with others is already in a voice chat party, and no one else is going to listen to what anyone else says, why even allow chat if it's just going to be idiots spamming n***ger f**got over and over and over and over? It'd be OK if it were funny, but it never is. I just hope Blizzard has the smarts and the intestinal fortitude to listen to their own metrics and intuition and not the loudest idiots on Reddit when it comes to balance. Also hope they never ruin it by introducing weapon drops and unlocks ala TF2. Imagined fucked around with this message at 13:40 on May 24, 2016 |
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May 24, 2016 13:37
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Edit: me quoting a post from 20 pages ago.
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May 26, 2016 00:54
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It seems to me like it would be really easy for them to determine a balance problem with a testing server that ran pure deathmatch free-for-all using only the DPS characters (obviously Mercy or Reinhardt aren't going to win a FFA), rotating the characters among players to allow for differences in player skill. If you run a *shitload* of those and the data comes out that, say, McCree or Widowmaker wins 60% of them, you could say they might have a problem, because that means that they don't have sufficient counters, or are too good at everything.
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May 31, 2016 15:11
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Blizzard's writing has always been too utilitarian to be interesting to me anyway, too obviously written after the game is planned in order to retroactively justify the mechanics and events that are already in the design. It's exactly like people getting really into the backstory of Transformers -- you realize it's just a half-hour commercial for toys, right?
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May 31, 2016 15:28
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Pakled posted:I don't know if this is a generally agreed upon position, but I think the second point of Anubis is the hardest control point to attack in the game. In solo queue with pubs it's practically impossible to crack that one if the defending team has bastions and torbs and effective snipers.
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May 31, 2016 17:54
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Yeah I hadn't seen so many internet memes for a videogame since the Orange Box.
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May 31, 2016 17:57
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Papercut posted:
What I do if I *really* want to play a character I haven't played in a while and someone else has already picked them is to pick them anyway at the very start of the game, and call the other person's bluff that *they'll* be the ones to then change.
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May 31, 2016 21:32
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anime was right posted:its gonna be cool when everyone chooses a side over the whole omnic thing and then theres going to be a ~huge civil war~ and then right after the battle everyones grumpy and some people get new skins and junk for story purposes and then when the chips are down and no ones got a purpose and everyones arguing within their faction it turns out the aliens and the gorillas are fighting and new alliances are formed thus giving a justification for everyone to fight each other over stupid garbage These posts remind me of an Onion headline: "Pitchfork Gives Music 6.8".
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May 31, 2016 22:10
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Played with a full group of goons I'd mostly never played with before last night and had a great time. We ran into a gimmick group that ran all-Soldier on attack and then all-Widow on defense. We brutally slaughtered the all-Soldier comp but god drat the all-Widow group was a pain-in-the-rear end. I like to think I clenched a last second win as Rein by charging the three widows behind the final objective, killing one in a pin and then flanking through two more who were too busy scoping to have situational awareness. That made enough of a hole and distraction for the team to finally get to the point. I really love how this game nudges people in the right direction even if they're not watching chat or listening to comms. Having Rein automatically say stuff like, "Get behind me, comrades! My shield will protect you!" when he pops his shield is great design. Imagined fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Jun 1, 2016 14:42
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Samara posted:All soldier 76 teams are nigh impossible to beat. Wow is that a crazy comp. Nah, we stomped a pre-made all-Soldier team last night with a random assortment of goons last night playing whatever we felt like. My feeling was that Soldier can't do much against Reinhardt -- even his ult doesn't fully kill Rein's shield, and if he tries to flank, Reaper eats him. Maybe if that team had coordinated their ults it would've been different. Imagined fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Jun 1, 2016 15:47
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Is there a practical reason why we're all using Discord for comms instead of the excellent and convenient in-game voice chat?
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I love Zarya but I'd love her a lot more if her shields lasted 4 seconds instead of 2. Keep them at 200 block, same cooldown and everything. Just make it a tiny bit easier to actually use it without having to have *perfect* timing.
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Jun 3, 2016 15:47
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cock hero flux posted:That would be insanely OP considering that the way you're supposed to deal with Zarya shields is to wait for them to go away. You'd either have to wait 4 seconds, in which case whoever was shielded would shoot you because 4 seconds in an FPS might as well be forever, or shoot through the shield and watch in horror as Zarya microwaves your entire team. I can see that I guess. It's just that if 4 seconds is 'forever' then 2 seconds feels like the blink of an eye. Like if you pop the shield BEFORE you're already being shot you've wasted it, which I guess is the trick to learning to play her properly, but just doesn't feel right. You shield someone and she says "Get in there!" but really if they're not ALREADY "in there" then the shield is gone.
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I hope they introduce a Guild-like feature soon, and that the player-limit isn't something dumb like 300, because Discord, while it's a great app, to organize groups is a PITA when you can't add people to your friends list from inside the game.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:48
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Dick Trauma posted:What are the characters you find yourself not playing at all? Junkrat, because I was terrible with the Demoman and I doubt I've gotten better since then. Symmetra, because if I'm gonna play turrets I'll go Torb and if I want to support I'll go Lucio/Mercy. Hanzo, Widow, Genji, Tracer, Zenyatta and any other future characters that absolutely demand fast reaction times and/or high accuracy. And Roadhog, because his aesthetic is really unappealing to me.
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Prav posted:there's a lot of people who just won't play junkrat no matter what and i don't understand why. he's easy to get started with, fun and effective Because his tire pisses me off more than any single other thing in the game. Yes it's easily dealt with if the guy is dumb enough to send it straight at you down a long hallway, but if they run it up over a wall and down onto you his F1 might as well say: "Press Q to get PotG". D.Va's ult was like that in the first couple of days but people have learned how to deal with it for the most part now, but when you hear that goddamn tire start up you're pretty much guaranteed to eat poo poo and die if the Junkrat is any good. I do play a lot of squishy healers though who get especially singled out for it though. I've fled a chokepoint as Lucio and retreated by myself and had the Junkrat make a special point of hunting me in particular down even while ignoring the rest of my team clustered on the point. Imagined fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Jun 5, 2016 01:27
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Why does Lucio sound like Chris Rock if he's from Brazil?
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Man I don't know how people play this all day, every day. After about 5 matches I'm mentally exhausted and have to take a break, even if we won.
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Papercut posted:That's when I switch to Rein or Mercy or Lucio or Junkrat for a few rounds ... I already play Lucio. I'm just a wiener I guess.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:41
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:Lucio is cool and every time you blast some dingus off the side of a cliff you become more powerful and attractive in real life. No word a lie. Let's break it down.
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Digirat posted:Hello none of my friends play this game, is it still worth playing random public games by myself or is it competitive enough that you need a group of friends for it to be any good Play with goons. Problem solved. Add me Clockwork#12173
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I mentioned this in the whining thread as just a thought, but the more I think about it the more I like it. I was wondering how to make a healing class that pubbies would actually play. How about making an offensive healer that heals by dealing damage? Sort of like a Warrior Priest from Warhammer but with guns. Maybe he's in the Zarya/Roadhog class of offensive tank but instead of a damaging ult his/her ult is a huge fuckoff AOE heal. Or he's an Omnic with a vacuum gun, like a reverse pyro with a cone weapon that drains HP from enemies and pumps it back out to heal allies in an aura around him, and one of his cooldowns is to suck them up into the gun like Roadhog's hook and drain a shitload of life from them. Or he's a literal techno-vampire, and he puts a 'Mark of the Vampire' on an ally and then any damage he does heals the person with the mark. Imagined fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Jun 6, 2016 14:48
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Lady Naga posted:Pubbies will never play healing classes, it's just an ingrained part of Gamer Culture (especially since they explicitly named them "support", the death kiss for any character you expect to be played at all). But they've already demonstrated with Soldier 76 that not every character with the capability of healing the team has to be in the "Support" class.
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Lady Naga posted:You said "healing class" not "class that also has a heal", 76 is not a healing class and if you pick him primarily for his ability to heal others instead of a nice bonus then I am so very sorry for your team. No, but anything that can trick idiots into even accidentally helping the rest of their team is a Good Thing imho.
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Indecisive posted:Huge fuckoff AOE heals aren't that good, your team needs constant care over time. See: Zenyatta who has the worst support ult Well I'm not a game designer, obviously. I'm just trying to think of ways to make an offensive, front line healer who can help lead a push from the front instead of follow at the back, to make a more "fun" healer that appeals to people who like to DPS. Maybe a slightly tanky short-range character who pumps out an AOE heal with every hit they land, in proportion to how much damage it does? So it would be somewhere in between the steadiness of Lucio's aura and the raw single-target healing of Mercy.
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I was just thinking that a new healer should have a healing ability that's always on that they don't have to think about, ala Lucio, but with some sort of aesthetic that appeals to the Reaper/Hanzo crowd. A true paladin class smells too much like teamwork, anathema to the Lone Wolf xxxbongrips247xxx.
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Zoness posted:It's basically impossible to make people that didn't want to help the team do so, I don't think that's a valuable design space. That's why I think they should make characters that automatically help their teammates as a byproduct of acting selfishly. But I also think if they made a character with the exact same abilities as Lucio but gave them an aggressive looking design instead of looking like he stepped out of Jet Set Radio, pubbies would play him. Kerrrrrrr posted:
YESSS. This and Warrior Priest from WAR were literally what I had in mind. Imagined fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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What about a healing turret class. Not like a WoW shaman but maybe he has a base station. As long as he stays within LoS of it, he gets a damage boost and any damage he does is channeled back to the base station and heals anyone within 10 meters of it. It lasts until it's destroyed like Torb's turret and can be repositioned at will.
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Dragongem posted:What if we just got a WoW shaman I could be wrong because I never played Shaman but I think they eventually made it where 1 button laid down like 4 different totems instantly.
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Orange Crush Rush posted:The more I play 76 the more I wonder what his role in a team actually is. Like everything you'd want a 76 to do, someone else does it much better. I'm not sure Overwatch really has room for a Jack of All Trades in such small teams. A small team is exactly where a jack-of-all-trades is most effective, imho. A large team can have multiple specialists for each contingency. 76 can partially fill in a lot of gaps from moment to moment.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:If Reaper had added functionality to prevent people from being rezzed if he eats their souls first do you think that would increase his pick rate in pros or just push the healing meta even more towards lucio? First one, then tha other. NmareBfly posted:I've been seeing a lot of crappy Symmetras out there I had one troll pubbie Symmetra who positioned his teleporter such that if you went through it you went straight off a cliff. Pretty good joke actually. Imagined fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Internet Kraken posted:No he's just really really boring. His toolkit is mostly passive. Why I have fun with Lucio: the game is positioning, keeping that # below my crosshairs as close to 5 as possible, using my speed boosts and mobility to stay alive, and contributing a little damage while being an annoying little gnat and building my ult, and then using my ult at just the right times, and keeping my eye out for doot opportunities. His gun may not do high DPS, but it's super easy to get lots of hits by just firing it at head level at likely corners, and lots of characters ignore him until I peck them to death. I've killed lots of Reinhardts who ignored me while I skated around behind them. I definitely don't feel "passive" when I'm playing him. I feel much more "passive" with Mercy actually. It's like cooking a perfect hamburger -- it seems simple, but that just means it's even more important to do everything right.
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