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Disclaimer: I haven't tried DNA-genealogy. I remember there used to be a project called HapMap but it looks like it's defunct? Anyway it seems like this wiki page is kept pretty up to date though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup I've been going through Danish royal missives from the 1700s to see if I can identify a potential grandson of the West Indies governor Gabriel Milan I mentioned earlier in the thread. According to an ecyclopedia of painters, there's an unidentified J. Milan who shows up for a ~15 year period that doesn't correlate with any of the known Milan sons. TFW you discover a possible lead that turns out to be huguenot Jacob Melan, a french tobacco planter from France who is totally unrelated to the governor Milan 
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Bilirubin posted:2) if her tree is right that "English" lineage were actually Norman, and thus back to the large percentage of Scandanavian haplotypes Well another thing to remember here is that the Normans, while originally Scandinavian, settled in northern France, so that's already adding to the genetic mix, and I don't think it's controversial to say they weren't exactly endogamous once they were in the British Isles. Though I guess maybe a lot of the Normans that came over would have been of a higher social class so who knows how much classism might have affected things in terms of who boned who. In terms of "British" genetics far as I'm aware the current view on the invasions of the British Isles is that it's not so much waves of Anglo Saxon/Viking invaders pushing back the native Britons as invaders from those cultures coming, and their languages and religions becoming dominant but basically the locals just adapt to whatever the norms of the latest overlord are, rather than packing up and loving off. So your Briton/Anglo Saxon/Viking/Norman ancestors will all have been screwing around with each other.
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Aug 4, 2017 22:23
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Pulling out one sentence:Owlkill posted:basically the locals just adapt to whatever the norms of the latest overlord are Yeah that is my understanding of medieval societies as well: The serfs, copyholders, etc, they were through generations "used to" their lords being changed around once in a while. They sowed & tilled their (usually leased) land and paid whatever to their superiors as long as they could, but aside from that they weren't really a part of society/politics. Just take it one day at a time, pay your "dues" and get on with your life. Of course sometimes it got bad, some lord would extract a too steep tax (usually cause the king did the same from him), and they'd revolt a little, but the system itself wasn't in question until much later.
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Aug 4, 2017 22:52
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Owlkill posted:Well another thing to remember here is that the Normans, while originally Scandinavian, settled in northern France, so that's already adding to the genetic mix, and I don't think it's controversial to say they weren't exactly endogamous once they were in the British Isles. Though I guess maybe a lot of the Normans that came over would have been of a higher social class so who knows how much classism might have affected things in terms of who boned who. Yep! Its a huge admixture and genetics only tell a small part of the overall story
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Aug 6, 2017 07:36
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And not to be outdone Ancestry's lowered to 69 bucks until August 15th! Jump on this it's as low as it gets. click here to order
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Aug 7, 2017 15:58
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I just did my DNA through Family Tree DNA so is there any benefit to doing Ancestry too besides matching with people?
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Aug 7, 2017 21:20
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Hi all. Count me in as someone foolish enough to try to sort through Latin American (Mexican) genealogical records. Following up on last page's FTDNA sale discussion, can someone explain the pros/cons for choosing FTDNA's Y-37 versus mtFull sequence? Y-37 is on sale for $139 (from $169) but the mtFull sequence is on sale for $149 (from $199). Is the mtDNA Plus package ($79) more than enough for purposes of a very passive hobby? Conventional records-based research into my ancestors gets us back to about the 1830's on my father's paternal side and 1770's on father's maternal side. On my mother's side, 1730's (paternal) and 1830's (maternal) side. Not too optimistic on a continuing records search as church records probably burned down in Native American raids, priest's writing is intelligible or records are water damaged, etc. Would still find it interesting though to see what more could be uncovered on both paternal/maternal sides using DNA.
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Aug 8, 2017 00:54
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It's hard to compare the two as they test differing things. In short, do you want to learn about your maternal line or paternal line? The Y test follows the Y linked genes passed down from father to son. Assuming you're male, you can find relatives and where your paternal line came from. The mtDNA test follows the female line passed from mothers to her kids. Records are harder to come by since not everyone records maiden names, but it may give you geneological leads based on common ancestors on your mothers side. It's not going to find anything out about your paternal grandmothers side for example as you are not a direct X linked descendent (however your father would be if you wanted to know about that specific ancestral line.). The full sequence on either side will provide you with your haplotype, haplotype origins (e.g. Where your ancestors were 5,000 years ago), and potential relatives of your direct ancestors. The family finder test is a broader snapshot of your entire DNA mix, not just the narrow view of the ydna or mtDNA lines.
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Aug 8, 2017 03:30
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MyHeritage has free access to their census searches this week: http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2017/08/free-access-to-1-billion-records-this-week.html US, U.K. & Ireland, Canada, Sweden, Finland, Denmark
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Nice! I really like the site personally. My mother has been busy again tracing back female lineages (as my cousin puts it, it very much is "his"story), and has one lineage going back to a second passenger of the Mayflower. Sadly, that makes me a direct decendent of two officers who fought in the Indian Wars. What karmic debt do I owe for that I wonder? One of the Mayflower connections was the wife of this fellow, one of my great great grandfathers. Given recent events in the US I have been thinking of him a lot. He had a rough life: his mother killed herself when he was young, which turned him into an athesist for life (which spanned 1845 to 1935). He fought in an Ohio regiment during the Civil War, and was wounded twice in the conflict (Missionary Ridge and Kenesaw Mtn). After recovering from his second wound, he still went back to the front lines because that's what what he thought of a united country. Apparently held his best friend as he died on the battlefield as well. 
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Aug 17, 2017 15:23
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whoa, sorry about the huge image. Will edit it down in a sec.
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Aug 17, 2017 15:23
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MyHeritage seems alright, but there's no way I'm paying a subscription for doing my genealogy research. Local files 4 lyf e: lol my genealogy folder is 110 gigabytes Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Aug 17, 2017 |
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Aug 17, 2017 18:02
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I have a three year subscription to MyHeritage to host my trees. I like that they're backed up to the cloud and I find their user interface for pictures a heck of a lot friendlier than ancestrys clunky model. I also encourage folks to upload their DNA there as well. It's free to do and I found a promising match to try and solve my paternal g-g-g grandfather mystery.
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Aug 17, 2017 22:51
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Stormfronters confront their not so white DNA tests: http://www.businessinsider.com/white-nationalists-genetic-ancestry-tests-dont-like-results-2017-8
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Yeah my stuff is backed up in the cloud too, I'd probably die if I lost my research.Bilirubin posted:Stormfronters confront their not so white DNA tests: http://www.businessinsider.com/white-nationalists-genetic-ancestry-tests-dont-like-results-2017-8 lmao
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Re. MyHeritage it does seem a lot cleaner and more attractive than Ancestry. My only concern is that the data available isn't as relevant for me - in terms of UK and Ireland datasets it seems like it's quite limited to census data and some limited military stuff, is that about right? For anyone looking for UK records I'd definitely recommend findmypast.com - they've got census data but they've also got extensive parish records going back as far as the 16th century for a lot of places, as well as things like wills, apprentice registers, prison records and more. There's trials available and I think it's about £9 a month otherwise, or £10 for international record access. Definitely worth it for what I've got out of it. Bilirubin posted:Sadly, that makes me a direct decendent of two officers who fought in the Indian Wars. What karmic debt do I owe for that I wonder? I guess when you consider how many direct ancestors you have there's bound to be some people who've been involved in terrible things. I discovered the other day that my great-great-great grandfather was sentenced to 12 months hard labour in 1909 for indecently assaulting two women on the same day at the age of 69, as a family man with several children. I wonder what the worst thing (if they're willing to talk about it) fellow goons have turned up about their ancestors is?
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Aug 18, 2017 11:49
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I don't even need to go back to ancestry to find relatives behaving badly. My cousin (who I never really saw after his parents moved to Nashville) was just busted down in Florida for child porn. People suck.
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Aug 18, 2017 15:20
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My great-great grandfather apparently fled Germany after decking his commanding officer and accidentally killing him after being conscripted but that could be apocryphal. Then again my grandma used to like to say the family tree was filled with 'geniuses and madmen' so... So far I've found mostly farmers and blacksmiths and barrelmakers and stuff. All of whom have been crazy faithful, a few illegitimate/out of wedlock births but no NPEs (cheaters) yet. I've got genetic ties to people that stretch back to documented 4th great-grandparents, its pretty nuts. Course on the French-Canadian side they could've all slept with each other and I'd never know since they're all like second and forth cousins at the same time with each other. loving French-Canadians.
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Aug 18, 2017 19:25
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Re: bad ancestors, I mentioned on page 1 that I'm possibly a descendant of an early colonial governor, with all the slavery & inhumanity that entails. Aside from that guy, there's a number of smalltime crooks; mostly fisticuffs & forgeries & such. Then there's the married couple in Copenhagen who drunkenly beat the poo poo out of each other and their neighbors, servants, & apprentices; they show up in the police records about 20 times over a 10 year period. They eventually divorced but the husband died from tuberculosis before the proceedings could be finalized. The widow/divorcee later became a midwife on the island of Bornholm and was apparently not well-liked by the locals, as she complains to the police multiple times that two older women are practicing midwifery (the old women claim it is because the pregnant women don't like her).
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Owlkill posted:I wonder what the worst thing (if they're willing to talk about it) fellow goons have turned up about their ancestors is? One of my ancestors was indicted for stabbing but found not guilty. Of course this ne'er-do-well had already had the courts attempt to take his kids away from him, following the liquidation of a bunch of property to pay a large amount of debts. I don't know if the motion succeeded, but he and his wife seemed to both plead for divorce before he died (probably) alone on the western Kentucky frontier in the early 1820s.
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Oh I did have a 5th great-aunt on my Irish side transported to Australia for housebreaking in Dublin! Poor girl's mother had died and her dad was away in the New World fightin those drat Americans or some poo poo with one of her brothers and the other was enlisted as well so she was probably pretty desperate. One of her descendants contacted me the other day. She married a few times had some kids and apparently straightened her life out. Ironically enough she had a brother in the British Army as well who everyone thought died in the Battle of Ciudad Rodrigo but actually survived and made his way to Australia for a land grant. They settled some fifty miles from each other but we don't think either knew of the other's existence, sadly. 
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Aug 19, 2017 21:45
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That's really hearty rending
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Aug 20, 2017 00:18
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I recently found an article where one cousin shot another cousin in front of his own house over a bag (with something in it, presumably). Jury acquitted for murder, which tells me either the dead cousin was a thief or the town rear end in a top hat. There was another sister who moved to a big city and married an Irish detective. He in turn was gunned down in broad daylight at a pay phone in a town notorious for its corruption, so I assume there's a story there.
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Aug 20, 2017 05:02
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Think I mentioned the murder-suicide of one cousin, and another that got hit by a pickup while walking to church then dragged under it for some distance.
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Aug 20, 2017 16:02
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I had several ancestors killed by those dang new-fangled automobiles. Apparently we are bad/stubborn at getting out of the way, especially when we get old and half-deaf. Though one was a kid (my great-uncle) who got hit by a car on Halloween while trick or treating We were always sternly admonished to stay out of the street, wear reflective tape etc.
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Aug 20, 2017 22:54
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My relatives had very American ways to die: Scalped by Native Americans Feud with a neighboring family Farm equipment mishap
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I was lucky enough to grow up in an area with a lot of people sharing my last name, but for it to be pretty uncommon beyond our town. That means a LOT of genealogy for my family was done for me when I made a school project of it back in middle school, and I really only needed to go back to my great grandfather to meet up with the documented line that just traveled on and on and on back. I just wrote all these names down when I was 12, but as an adult I've done more research on them and it's pretty rad! We start with Sir John Philpot, who served as Lord Mayor of London in 1378, and quote:In 1378 he led a daring raid by fitting out a small squadron of ships with his own money, and with 1,000 men wrested from the Scottish pirate, Mercer, his cache of fifteen Spanish merchant vessels. This did not go over very well with the noblemen of the day who complained to the King the he was usurping his power. He was summoned by the Council to answer for acting without the King's leave. His reply was that he had spent his money and risked his men "not to shame the nobles or win knightly fame, but in pity for the misery of the people and country which, from being a noble realm and dominion over other nations, has through your supiness been exposed to the ravages of the vilest race. Since you would not lift a hand in its defense, I exposed myself and my property for the safety and deliverance of our country" He ended up building a chain across the Thames to keep out the French and there's a street named after him in London. A few hundred years of non-noble mercantile high-marrying later, Mr. John Philpot (an uncle) ended up in Foxe's Book of Martyrs. He came back from Europe a super-duper protestant, pissed off his judge by calling him a drunk and a liar. quote:Upon entering Smithfield, the ground was so muddy that two officers offered to carry him to the stake, but He also kept his own notes during his trial, and almost all of it is documented as pure dialogue (from his perspective, at least). A few generations of declining luck later, another John Philpot decided to try his luck, traveling on the Second Supply and arriving in Jamestown in the fall of 1608 ... a couple months before the winter turned cold and they turned to cannibalism. After that it's mostly moonshining and dying in the civil war, but we never strayed far from south central Virginia.
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Huxley posted:I was lucky enough to grow up in an area with a lot of people sharing my last name, but for it to be pretty uncommon beyond our town. That means a LOT of genealogy for my family was done for me when I made a school project of it back in middle school, and I really only needed to go back to my great grandfather to meet up with the documented line that just traveled on and on and on back. I just wrote all these names down when I was 12, but as an adult I've done more research on them and it's pretty rad! That's really awesome that you can trace one of your branches that far! With most of mine I can't get back beyond about 1700 (if lucky) though I have one branch with a many-times uncle who was one of the Massachusetts Bay Colony settler or something similar so a lot of work has been done there.
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Aug 25, 2017 00:32
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Aug 26, 2017 18:22
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drat, doesn't look like it's available here in Denmark Ah well, I don't think there's much there that I need to use anyway and also their data is probably really bad and wrong
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Aug 26, 2017 18:57
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Was looking through a ship manifest to track down my wife's great-great-grandfather's arrival. Anyone have thoughts on what the listed profession might be? Might be a lost cause. 
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Aug 29, 2017 03:08
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Look at other pages, see how the person writing makes their letters. It looks like it starts with a P (see Poland up a few lines). If you can zoom in on it as close as will stay focused. Right now it looks like Pmleter or Pnleta. Was it being written by an English speaker or is this a manifest from another country? Like I see 'Tailoren' at the top, which kind of sounds German to me, but it could be tailoress. Need more examples of this handwriting style.
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Aug 29, 2017 04:05
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Search for 'old trades' to find lists of potential matches. 'Polentier'(Poulterer)i.e. A chicken dealer, is the closest I've found. Rootshat.com also has a subforum devoted to handwriting that might come up with something different.
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Thank you both for the suggestions. The ship sailed from Liverpool to Quebec in 1901. The notes all appear to be in English. Many of the professions are rather easy to read (miner, barrister, jeweler, merchant, teacher, student, physician, school master, engineer, labourer, dentist, justice of peace, clergyman, cattleman, stonemason, carpenter, etc.). Best I can conclude is that it says "Butcher" (based on a comparison of similar entries) but that might be influenced by my wife's aunt mentioning that she thought this relative was a cattleman (butcher) back in the old country. 
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I agree, that comparison makes pretty clear that it's "Butcher". Also, though it looks like it says he's from Russia, I wonder if he was in England during the April 1, 1901 census – perhaps that could clarify. It's available online at multiple places. Another option would be to look into the men listed below him in the original pic. They all should have the same occupation, might be sufficient to search the 1905/1910 US censuses & see if there's a majority of butchers under those names.
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To further support the 'Butcher' theory, the 1910 US Census shows this individual as working in a Butcher Shop. [Thank you to those who recently posted the free Census access info!] It also lists what might be "Petrol Merchant"? I know that one of his sons later went on to be a coal merchant, so it would be a logical connection if it in fact does say 'petrol merchant'.  Powaqoatse posted:Also, though it looks like it says he's from Russia, I wonder if he was in England during the April 1, 1901 census – perhaps that could clarify. It's available online at multiple places. Thank you for this tidbit of information. The family is from present-day Belarus. It's believed that the family traveled first to Bremen, Germany where they likely sailed to Hull, England and then later left Liverpool by boat. The three eldest children apparently traveled on their own as the ship manifest doesn't include them. Might be that the family secured their travel to Quebec/New York first and then followed suit. If that's the case, could be that they were in England around census time. Will look into that a bit more.
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I disagree, the "B" and "u" are very clear in butcher, and the first letter in the mystery profession is definitely a P. Polentier or even peltier if the clerk is a lousy speller. I can't even begin to explain some of the misspellings I've seen. Semi-literate census takers who speak a language different from the people they are recording is a terrible thing. I suspect Oracle feels my pain on this. On an unrelated note, does anyone know what German church records are available online or (shudder) on microfilm? I've been given a family tree that starts in 1815 and goes all the way back to c.1600, with specific dates and last names for all of the women and everything, but I have no idea if it's accurate or where the information came from.
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Aug 30, 2017 04:57
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The B and u have become merged in the sloppy handwriting. It's def butcher imo. Tortilla Maker: he's a Retail Merchant German church records: http://archion.de (paysite)
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Note that Archion doesn't have everything. In particular, it specifically covers the Evangelical Lutheran church, so if your ancestors were Catholic Bavarians, you probably aren't going to have any luck with the site. Also, not every Landeskirche has signed up, so if you think you've got relatives coming out of Prussian Saxony (like me) you're completely out of luck and will have to travel to Germany or hope you've got access to a reliable Ortsfamilienbuch that contains extracts from the relevant records. Finally, a LOT of records from Landeskirchen that ARE part of Archion still haven't been digitized yet. For example, even though they're slated to appear on Archion some day, if your records are in the Evangelische Archivstelle Boppard because they were from Hesse, Saarland or the Palatinate, you'll have to wait it out. Similarly, Saxony proper isn't slated to appear on the site until some time next year, as they only joined the Archion effort in the past few months.
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Yeah, that's true. I'm personally waiting for the Schleswig-Holstein records (Norddeutschland). You can check which archives have signed up here: https://www.archion.de/de/archive-in-archion/ You can browse which specific church registers are currently available without signing up: https://www.archion.de/de/browse/ And finally you can follow progress here. They're putting online stuff from Landeskirchen Hanover & Norddeutschland currently: https://www.archion.de/de/news/neue-digitalisate/
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