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Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Hi all, I'm glad I found the thread. I've been doing the genealogy thing for a few years now and it's immensely fascinating. Here is some of my family dirt:

- Great grandfather fled Finland under an assumed name because he was a Socialist and was afraid for his life
- His daughter, my great aunt, was recruited by the Canadian govt to spy on Finnish immigrants in order for her to get her citizenship. She said LOL no, and blew the whistle on the bastards. It created a national scandal in the 50s
- Family worked alongside Daniel Boone and possibly George Washington as surveyors
- Great great grandfather was killed in a family feud (lol Kentucky)

Bonus husband dirt: His direct grandfather (I can't remember how many greats) was hung in Salem in 1692 for bring a witch, or warlock I guess.

I'm using ancestry primarily but thanks to this thread I will check or done of these other resources. My maternal side is entirely Canadian/Finnish and I've recruited a fellow goon to help me translate the Finnish stuff. A lot of the Finnish records aren't digitized yet so I can't go back that far. My paternal side has been easier since they've mostly been in the US for a while.

Someone mentioned it on the first page, but what does Sons/Daughters of the American Revolution status provide?

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Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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I just did my DNA through Family Tree DNA so is there any benefit to doing Ancestry too besides matching with people?

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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It's hard to compare the two as they test differing things. In short, do you want to learn about your maternal line or paternal line? The Y test follows the Y linked genes passed down from father to son. Assuming you're male, you can find relatives and where your paternal line came from.

The mtDNA test follows the female line passed from mothers to her kids. Records are harder to come by since not everyone records maiden names, but it may give you geneological leads based on common ancestors on your mothers side. It's not going to find anything out about your paternal grandmothers side for example as you are not a direct X linked descendent (however your father would be if you wanted to know about that specific ancestral line.).

The full sequence on either side will provide you with your haplotype, haplotype origins (e.g. Where your ancestors were 5,000 years ago), and potential relatives of your direct ancestors. The family finder test is a broader snapshot of your entire DNA mix, not just the narrow view of the ydna or mtDNA lines.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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My relatives had very American ways to die:

Scalped by Native Americans
Feud with a neighboring family
Farm equipment mishap

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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I ordered a birth certificate for my grandfather from the state of Kentucky. It was fairly easy since I knew all of his info and I got it quickly.

I learned that his middle name was spelled differently than previously thought. I got perverse delight in telling my brother that his middle name (which he shared with my grandfather) was wrong. I think my exact words were "your life is a lie". LOL

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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That's a cool find.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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I don't know where else to ask this, so here it goes:

I have cousins who married (Kentucky lol) and I can figure out how they're related to me and I could probably figure out how they're related exactly to each other with a little pen on paper. (They had the same last name as each other so it wasn't too hard to figure out.)

It's come up more than once where I'm related to people twice over, usually pairs of siblings marrying each other or the cousins thing above. Is there a way to document/notate these weird occurrences when a family tree doesn't exactly branch? I use Ancestry primarily and family tree maker as well.

I missed one sibling pairing until I physically wrote out the drat thing by hand (well Excel anyway).

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Thanks all. I guess I am wishing for a feature for Ancestry or FTM that alerts you if the name is there already or creates a little icon on the tree to say this is a duplicate/same as situation. I didn't catch one instance already and the last one was obvious because both partners had the same last name as my maiden name. I'm assuming there are more but I have no way of really finding them.

I think I'll have to figure out how to use color coding and notes a bit better in FTM.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Thanks gang.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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I'm having fun with the new MyHeritage cluster tool. My great grandmother did not have a father listed on her birth certificate. I have some leads now for DNA matches but none of my clustered matches have good trees. One is private though so here's hoping they'll give me access.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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I'm trying to wrap my head around something and I need a second opinion from you fine people.

I tested my brother's DNA at FTDNA and he came up with the R-M269 haplogroup and his haplogroup matches are other men with our same last name. I tested him with the Y67 test.

My first cousin's son Jacob popped up as a match on 23andMe and his haplogroup shows R-Y4010. Just to make it clear, Jacob's grandfather and my dad are brothers. We all share last names.

Shouldn't they be the same halpogroup or is there some mystery "paternal event"? I was reading on some forums that FTDNA and 23andMe use different testing methods for predicting halpogroups and since they're both Rs, that's the important part? I just don't see that Y4010 is a subclade (?) of other M269s but M269 is fairly generic.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Thanks for the input from both of you, makes sense. Although the 23andMe result was the more specific subclade result for my cousin versus the M269 generic one that FTDNA gave me for my brother.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Thanks for the ancestry tip. Mine was scheduled to renew tomorrow!

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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On newspapers.com I found a letter to the editor my dad had written as a teenager in the 60s about seeing a UFO. I come by my love of the supernatural, naturally.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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:woop::woop::woop:

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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I've had trouble searching through German records. I'm used to Finnish databases and they're pretty easy to navigate even though I don't speak Finn. One of my great great grandfather's was born in Selbitz in 1841. I have a birthdate and full name but all of the big genealogy websites have nothing.

I've tried looking at the local church websites and other German databases but I can't find anything to browse. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Thanks everyone. I ponied up $23 for access to Archion.de via Carthag's link and I found his record within two minutes! His birthday is Jan 2 1841 so he was the first record for the year, which made it easy.

I had his birthday/town/real name all correct in the Selbitz in Bavaria so that's comforting to know I was going down the right path.

Can anyone read this? Specifically the parent's names... Paul?

Gravitee fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Oct 25, 2020

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Carthag Tuek posted:

Kurrent script. Not sure about the mother's maiden name.


Translation:
true-born on the 2nd (second) January before noon at 9 o' clock and on the 6th ejusdem (latin, "the same month") baptized, first child.

Father: K.F. Sterner, burgher and master weaver
Mother: A.K. Sterner, née [Thünding] from here.
Godparents: J. Sterner, master weaver from Marlesreuth, and his wife.


Maybe their wedding (probably about a year before the baptism) will be clearer on the mother's name.

I could give you a hug! THANK YOU! This has been a hurdle for a very long time. He is the last of my gg grandparents that I didn't have more info on.

So on this opposite page it has his name as I know it "Johann Martin Stamm" but why would his parents have "Sterner" as the last name?

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Thanks friends. I found the marriage listing I think:


Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Carthag Tuek posted:

Did you see my reply about the wedding record, Gravitee?

Yes thanks. I am grateful for your help.

Speaking of pictures, here's the family I'm working on, circa 1906. Johann Martin is the older gentleman seated in the middle that eluded me for so long. My great grandfather is the other man seated.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Oracle posted:

Oh hey, clear your calendars. newspapers.com is free all weekend (if you already have an account and signed up for their spam they send a link right to you).

The one with all the actual useful stuff that's usually blocked with the poo poo-tier subscription included in 'all access' on Ancestry. Publisher Extra or whatever they call it. ALL the papers.

I have an account there, just the free one right now, and I never got the email. I tried to search but I'm still locked out of the good stuff.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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For us mutt Americans, https://www.americanancestors.org puts on online classes too. I took one recently on writing your family history. It was $125ish. Over five weeks they went through organizing data, writing, adding images, and then publishing.

I think that's the next step for me. I'm thinking more specifically about adding to my family's story by getting context about social and political reasons things may have happened, rather than just collecting names and dates.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Carthag Tuek posted:

Oh hey, anyone here with an active Ancestry subscription? Oracle? :)

There's this Danish guy, Julius Gandrup (born January 10, 1852 Copenhagen). He inherits his father's book selling business in the early 1870s, but soon gets into money trouble and the company is put under administration by the bankruptcy court. According to Danish newspapers, he flees to America around September 4, 1879.

I have found him in the 1880 New York census, where he lives 257 8th Avenue (corner of West 23rd Street) — apparently making his living as a musician(!):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBJ-9MV (near the bottom)

I have not found him in other US censuses. His wife (who stayed in Copenhagen) is called "married" in the 1885 Copenhagen census (she lives with her mom, Julius is not present), but from 1890 she is referred to as "widow". She dies in 1939. Whether Julius actually died before 1890 is unknown, his wife may have preferred to refer to herself as a widow for social reasons.

I see that Ancestry has a record that he apparently traveled from Hamburg, Germany to La Plata (presumably Argentina?) on a date I can't see:
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewe...t=successSource (idk if the link works, but I found it with a simple search for Julius Gandrup).

I'd love a copy of that record if it really is him :)

It's like 1MB so I've linked it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3oby9h3sg8g1gun/K_1750_080509-0276.jpg?dl=0

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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I'm getting to the point where I want to start publishing my tree or writing a book. I use Ancestry and Family Tree maker usually and they sync up pretty well. I also have info over at MyHeritage and Geni. I'd like to see if I can review all of the data together to make sure I didn't add someone on MyHeritage but forgot to add it to Ancestry or whatever. Is there an app/program that will do that for me? Or exporting the info into a spreadsheet and use some Excel functions to compare/contrast?

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Found my grandparents and my uncle! My dad missed the cutoff by a few months. I didn't learn anything new besides their address but new data confirming what I already had is still important.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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I'm in one of my ancestral homelands for the long weekend and my uncle loaned me a 100 page spiral bound book of one branch of my family tree with a lot of old letters and tidbits (great great grandfather liked beans and cornbread!) and I'm super pumped to go through it. He also gave me a DVD of family photos that has over 500+ pictures!

While I'm here I might go to the family cemetery but I'm not sure if it's worth it because it's pretty well documented. I want to see it but I don't know if it's worth going out of my way with my kids in tow. It's literally in the middle of nowhere but I'll be about 45 minutes away doing touristy stuff tomorrow. And I'm rarely this close...

Coincidentally, the Airbnb I'm staying at is a mile from where my grandparents built their retirement home in the 70s. I never saw it because my grandpa died shortly after they moved and my grandma didn't want to stay out here by herself so she moved back to the city.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Oracle posted:

I need more gossipy priests; my 2nd ggf was illegit and while I have a wonderfully fleshed out theory I can't get the DNA to verify it for several reasons (endogamy, daughtered out lines, other surprise NPEs on lines that would have confirmed/denied, you name it) and a nasty note about the bastard who knocked her up would help so much

My GGma was illegitimate as well. Is there a good website or tool to use to narrow down DNA matches? It's hard for me to tell which matches may be from her line.

Also, I never ended up going to the family cemetery. It was 45 min out of the way and I didn't think my kids would appreciate it.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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Oracle posted:

Good stuff

MyHeritage has a good triangulation setup but beyond saying "here is where you overlap", I couldn't quite parse what to do with that info. I haven't had DNA tested with my mom, just my brother and I, so I think I just need to do more tree work on that specific branch.

My dad and mom are completely different with their DNA so it's super easy to tell which side is which. My Mom is genetically Finnish from what I can tell based on mine and my brother's (we're both half-ish). I have A LOT of Finnish matches on MyHeritage, I think 90% of them are Finns, because I think Finns like to prove how Finn they are lol. This GGma only had one sister and I'm not sure what happened to her. The sister had one child that I knew but she never had kids. Now that I'm typing all this out, I think I need to dive into it more.

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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That's super neat!

Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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That's cool, congrats. I wish I had more time to dedicate to this stuff.

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Gravitee
Nov 20, 2003

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And Finns, especially in the UP.

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