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Cool, bookmarking this thread! Will share some stories of criminal ancestors later, though I'll have to translate from Danish.ComradeCosmobot posted:If you've got a city and it's not too big, then you're in good shape. The FHL has many (but not all) German church registers on microfilm, and in most towns it'll either be in the single Lutheran (Evangelische) or Catholic (Katholische) church in town. Larger cities can, of course, have multiple parishes, and then it comes down to trial and error. Also note that you could still be unlucky, like me, and have some relatives be born in a city in which the FHL never got microfilm copies. There probably are still copies in that case, but you'd have to actually go to Germany (or get a local German genealogist) to look them up. There's a German pay-site that's started scanning kirchenbücher. They're far from complete, but checking the news shows that they're adding dozens of registers daily: https://www.archion.de/
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twoday posted:I'm a historian in the Netherlands. I'm often in the archives at the Hague looking at old documents, and the national genealogy center is right next door. So if anyone needs some info from there, hit me up. I'd like to take you up on that offer  I'm supposed to be a descendant of Gabriel Milan (~1631–89), who was governor of the Danish West Indies. All known descendants are through his son Carl Friderich Milan (died Copenhagen 1738). Danish historians agree that C.F. was born circa 1676, likely in Amsterdam, to Gabriel Milan & his second wife Juliana Regina von Breitenbach. It is known that Gabriel Milan's first wife died 1675 at the latest, and that Juliana Regina von Breitenbach was a widow. It is not known when they married. I have discovered a baptism in the Evangelisch Luthers doopregisters for Amsterdam:  quote:Den 30 Januarii Note that the register is slightly odd: It's divided into years, and each year is divided into letters. For each year & letter, the baptisms are listed chronologically by first initial of the named child. However, the Carel Vreederijck entry is on a loose scrap of paper, affixed with a needle (visible above/below "Regina") on the page where the letter C begins for the year 1676. It is not from the same hand as the other writings in the register. I believe that this is the baptismal record of the man who dies in Copenhagen 1738. If so, Carl Friderich/Carel Vreederijck is not the son of Milan, but of Juliana Regina and her first husband, and he assumed the name Milan (or was simply called that) after his step-father. So, that leaves some questions: 1. When/where did Milan's first wife die? Her full name is unknown, but her surname is said to have been "de Castro", and she was the daughter of Benjamin Musaphia (Sephardi Jews often carried several names). I have tried looking at the Portugees Israëlitsch records that were available at genver.nl. I can't get them to work right now, but as I recall there was a lacuna covering the years around 1675. 2. Where is the original baptismal record for Carel Vreederijck van Barlebendt junior? Was he born outside of Amsterdam, and the scrap of paper only later supplied to the priest there? Or was his entry skipped by accident and the scrap inserted as a correction? 3. When/where did Carel Vreederick van Barlebendt senior die? And who was he? I have been unable to locate any useful variants on the van Barlebendt surname. There seem to be a lot of von Breitenbach/van Breedenbachs all over the Germanic areas. 4. When/where did Milan and von Breitenbach marry? It is known that Milan was in Amsterdam in 1676, in Utrecht in the winter of 1678 (staying with Baron Jacob de Petersen), and that he arrived in Copenhagen in July of 1678. It is presumed that von Breitenbach accompanied him to Copenhagen. They are known to have been married by 1679. 5. What were their denominations? Danish historians believe that Juliana Regina von Breitenbach was Dutch reformed. Milan is supposed to have converted to (or reaffirmed) protestantism on January 1, 1682 in Hamburg. Was he until then part of the Jewish community like his father-in-law Musaphia presumably was, or was he catholic like some other conversos? And how does all that fit with the supposed Lutheran protestant baptism of Carel Vreederijck? Any comments & suggestions welcome!
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Here's a little story about arranged marriages & children born out of wedlock from mid-19th-centry Denmark: Once upon a time, my great grandma wrote down what she remembered of her ancestors, mostly just names & dates. Her mother's father was one Anders Jensen aka Søgaard, she wrote, a smallholder in Mollerup parish. A Google map of the major locations fwiw. He was married to Frederikke Marie Christensdatter Svane, and I knew nothing else about them aside from the date of their marriage and his age – he was born around 1838. With the help of another genealogist, I found his birth records: He was born out of wedlock on June 20, 1838 in Gullerup in Bjergby parish, but both his parents (Jens Chr. Pedersen and Christine Caroline Christensdatter) were in Vejerslev, serving Anders Larsen on the Søgaard farm (at least in the 1834 census). So I went through the arrival/departure records that were kept in each parish register at the time, & I've reconstructed the events as follows: Severely pregnant, Christine Caroline left the farm where she was serving, Søgaard in Vejerslev, on June 1, 1838 and arrived home to give birth to Anders Jensen on June 20 in the house of her stepfather Jens Olesen Houe and his wife (her mother) in Gullerup, Bjergby. She didn't show for arrival registration until June 21, so she probably arrived at the last minute and was unable to do so. She didn't stay long with her parents though, but left already on July 10 to go back to Vejerslev where she arrived on July 18. Sometime around new years eve, she must have been seeing Jens Chr. Pedersen again, alas on June 2, 1839, she marries the widower Anders Pedersen Dam from Ovtrup. They leave for his farm in Ovtrup shortly after, and on September 30, 1839, she gives birth to Birthe Cathrine Jensdatter (Jens Chr. is the claimed father again!). Anders Pedersen Dam & Christine Caroline stay in Ovtrup until his death on June 5, 1853. On January 17 the next year, she finally marries Jens Chr. Pedersen! I have no idea where he's been all this time (16 years), but he doesn't appear to have forgotten her – he's still a bachelor in the wedding records. In the meantime, Anders Jensen (Søgaard) had come in the care of Anders Larsen on Søgaard in Vejerslev, where he is counted in the 1845 census, and with Anders Larsen's widow in the 1850 census. April 18, 1853, he leaves for Mollerup, where he arrives on May 6, but leaves again on November 2, 1854 to go to Ovtrup – likely because word reached him that his parents finally married. He's with them in the 1855 census. On March 25, 1858, the family leaves Ovtrup for Gullerup in Bjergby, where they are in the 1860 census - except Anders Jensen, who's busy starting up his own family with Frederikke Marie Svane. Hella romantic, isn't it? As a side note, Frederikke Marie Svane's uncle Peder Christensen Svane is also present at the Søgaard farm in the 1834 census. Maybe they met through shared acquaintances.
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And something more action-packed: One of the dudes on the left is my fathers fathers mothers mothers fathers brother:  The dude getting shot at is Danish Council President (prime minister) Estrup My great uncle explains to Politiken the following day: quote:Captain C. C. Larsen, Skjoldsgade 5, ground floor, the man who first apprehended Mr. Estrup's assailant, was not home last night at 8 o clock; he was visiting his brother, Master Bricklayer Larsen, Nørrebrogade 45; it was there that our reporter met him at 8:30. It's a very gentle description imo.
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Since the parish registers (baptisms, marriages, burials, etc) for my hometown prior to 1814 burned in a fire, I'm working on indexing the names from the church accounting records 1701–80. They contain some useful stuff like money paid for ringing the bells at funerals, yearly fees for the good pew seats & gifts to the church. I'm also cross-referencing with urbaria/rent-rolls (Jordebog etc below), censuses, fief & district accountings (which contain things like fines for extramarital sex, as attested by a very pious priest), copyhold records, muster rolls, probate records &c.  It's tedious work, but it's given me lots of solid info already. I've been able to go back to roughly 1700 on all but one of my ancestors from that area, and expect to be able to get back to 1650 for most of them when I'm done. Pretty good without parish registers, I think!
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Whoa I just found some earlier urbaria records in the archives, I may be able to go back to the 1570s! That's pretty wild, considering the town is officially stated as having been founded the late 15th century...
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Oct 13, 2016 02:16
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Sex is serious business! At least the punishment was only a fine at the time, earlier it could also be forced public confession, whipping, & jail time. The fines were abolished entirely in 1812, don't know if that's progressive or not compared to other countries.
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Weird. I ordered & went through a bunch of rent-roll accountings from the 1660s & 70s last week, but this week I ordered the subsequent accountings from the 1680s, & the archives rejected my order because I should look at the microfilms instead of the original papers. The microfilm readers are such poo poo though, and it's impossible to get a good photo from the screen for later transcription. Hopefully I can get a permit or something cause having to do it by microfilm is gonna throw a spanner in the works. Did take about 1200 pics of accountings from the 1730s though. Now to sort them out!
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Well you never know if someone will turn out to have been a criminal. Most families aren't too fond of passing on those stories – all of the crime stuff I've discovered in my own tree was completely unknown to us. The first one I discovered was the guy I mentioned earlier. I was looking at his probate, which mentioned that he was separated from his wife. I then found the separation records where he complained that they'd been through the courts a number of times, and I started checking out name indexes for the various courts in the places where my ancestor(s) had lived. I now do this for all ancestors and have found a lot of small stuff & some big stuff.
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Two direct ancestors on my dad's side hanged themselves. One, in 1879. His widow explains (my translation, trying to maintain the language of the time): quote:By request and sworn to Truth, she told that her deceased Husband stood up this Morning about 4:15 and that she began making Coffee while her Husband went to his Workshop to sharpen a Scissor, that had been delivered for Sharpening, wherewith the Deceased so did. When the Deceased went to sharpen the Scissor, she said that it might be best if she cut Food, but thereto the Deceased answered that it could wait some. When the Coffee was finished, she went to the Workshop and called her Husband and they went together to the main House where the Deceased drank Coffee. When he had drank this, the Deceased said that he needed to go to the Workshop and do something about his one Shoe, which he brought with him (Police Assistant Hein had been sent to the Workshop and returned with a Shoe that bore clear Signs of the Backpart having been taken off and it had not been used on the Ground) and added that she could cut food. She then cut Food and when she thought it was Time for her Husband to go to Work (it was about 5:30) she went to the Workshop and then found, that her Husband had hanged himself from the Workbench. He sat along the floor with the Legs stetched out in front and his Back against the Bench with the Head resting against the Workbench. She promptly grabbed a Knife from the Bench and cut him from the Noose and laid him on the Floor, whereafter she ran to her Neighbor Carpenter Peter Andresen, and the latter arrived with his Son Mason Emil Andresen; Peter Andresen also fetched Bathhouseowner Jensen. The Clothes of the Deceased were loosened, likewise his Neckerchief was cut off and the Deceased was warm still. He was then brought to his and her Living Room and laid in Bed without further being done to him other than his Clothes taken off, whereafter the Wife of Mason Andresen went into Town after a Doctor; whereafter Doctor Schiødt came about 7-7:30. She assumes that her Husband after drinking Coffee was only a half Score Minutes in the Workshop before she found him hanged. She assumes that her Husband's Motive was Monetary Worries. He, who was 65 Years old, had for some Years worked for Carpenter Hansen in Roskilde but when the latter closed his business he could no longer work there, and because he was old he did not take further Employ, but worked for himself. In the last 10 Days, the Deceased has worked for Consul Schram in Roskilde, and when the Deceased came home Yesterday Evening, he complained, what he had done for some time, about being tired and flat, and this Morning he said that he "probably could not go further" what she understood to mean that he would not go to Work in Roskilde Today. That is the only Reason that she can think of, and she cannot really grant its Validity, as though she and her Husband had little work, they did have no Debt in their House and some Money in the Bank, and their Children would also help them as best they could. (wherever it says "she", it says "Cptd:" which is short for "Comparentinden" ie comparent-ess, comparent meaning someone making a statement, but I didn't feel like working out how to write that in English without torturing the language even further.) The other hanged himself in police custody in 1881; the death certificate presumes "bibulousness" as motivation but unfortunately the police investigations on suicides from that jurisdiction/period have been lost (apparently they were shipped wholesale to the national statistics bureau, which destroyed them after collating whatever was needed).
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Bilirubin posted:Yeah my mom and her collaborators elsewhere in the family are starting to probe into some of the family secrets, like "why didn't great grandma so and so ever talk about her family?" So far she has called out a murder-suicide, and one old woman who was struck by a pickup truck and dragged to her death while walking to church Agreed & by the way, can you talk about the murder-suicide? I'm morbidly curious.
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Ugh sorry I thought it was in your great grandmother's time. Though I guess that doesn't really make a difference, it's still people dying. Just something about the distance in time makes it less immediately sad (I don't know, maybe because they would be dead anyway?). How long are graves kept in America? I suppose you have enough space to keep them a good while. Here, graves are reused after 20 years if noone wants to pay for an extension. The headstones are thrown away & ground up for roadfill or what have you, though sometimes a church may save particularly old or interesting ones along the cemetery wall. Some of m great great grandparents' headstones are by the wall in my hometown.
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twoday posted:Ok, sorry for the late reply. Excellent, thanks! No worries about time, genealogy is a pastime for the patient
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Yeah it kinda sucks when I discover that someone was buried someplace fairly recently, cause the headstone will almost always be gone. There are several volunteers that have taken photos of gravestones and put them online though, so not all will be lost. Anyway, still working my way through the land accounting stuff and it's really starting to pay off. So far I've been able to add 9 great-8 grandparents and 3 great-9 grandparents on those branches. I also found an account of a fight that two of my great-8 grandparents were involved in: Peder Jensen Skaaning (byname meaning "of Scania") and Laurs Andersen Jyde (byname meaning "of Jutland") were both invited to the wedding of a daughter of "beach bailiff" Laurs Bjørnsen in easter 1714. A witness explains: "The witness was at the aforementioned wedding at Laurs Bjørnsen's, where then the witness rose from his seat and went to Peder Jensen Skaaning, who sat on a chair by the door and was pouring beer, and said "good afternoon, I hadn't seen you yet, Peder Jensen!" Then came Laurs Andersen and also bade Peder Jensen a good afternoon, whereafter the witness saw Laurs Andersen touch Peder Jensen with a flat hand upon the forehead, whereby his hat fell off. The witness remained standing, and Peder Jensen stood up and clapped the witness on the cheek and said "have I not paid my hat myself?" and then he said "have I not paid my hat myself?" to Laurs Andersen and took him by the hair, and the witness left as he did not want anything to do with the quarrel. He did not see anything else." Another witness explains further: "When the witness was in the living room, it was yelled out that there was a quarrel, whereby he immediately ran to stop it. The witness saw that Laurs Andersen and Peder Jensen stood in the kitchen and had each other by the hair, and in that moment the witness became aware that Laus Andersen had a knife in his hand, which he cut about him with, and cut the witness down his belly and through two shirts. Thereupon the witness grabbed Laurs Andersen's hand to make him let go of the knife, which he did. Thereafter the witness and another man separated them by pulling their hair." The judge asked both men if they could deny the events, which they could not. They were each fined 3 rigsdaler for fighting, and Laurs Andersen an additional 2.5 rigsdaler for pulling the knife but causing no bodily harm. I guess the witness wasn't injured. Some weeks later the county official comes by to collect the fines, but they can't be paid as both men own nothing of value. They were thus remanded to jail & forced labor, though it doesn't say for how long. In the summer of 1714, the beach bailiff himself and some other men are accused of brawling, but there are few details as they all confessed immediately & so no witnesses were needed. They weren't to my knowledge related to me, so I'm lucky it wasn't the other way around! e: It was their great grandchildren that married and both men were dead before they were born, so the story was probably forgotten by then. Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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The Swedish Royal Library is digitizing historical newspapers: http://tidningar.kb.se Status & list of papers are here (plan is to scan 60 titles from 1645 and on, finishing sometime next year): http://feedback.tidningar.kb.se/viewtopic.php?id=69 I'm not too hot at writing Swedish, so searching is pretty hard (I can read it and translate it fine, though, if you need it). Try searching their names, or maybe drop by Skanditråden for some help on how to search. Related, for Danish papers: http://www2.statsbiblioteket.dk/mediestream/avis
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I'm having a similar problem with an ancestor, going from one source to the next to find the specifics... I know he and his wife separated in 1863, and have obtained the case records for that. During a routine look through police registers, I found out that he'd been sentenced for fraud in 1859. So I went and found the case, and it appears that he due to poverty wished to enlist as a volunteer in the army. The case documents imply that this was not possible for a married man with children at the time, and so he and his wife had agreed to separate. He had obtained a writ from nearby innkeep Meisburger that stated he was not married. Apparently though, he was still married, as he and the innkeep were both sentenced for fraud. The writ itself was not in the police case files and since I want to see it, I kept looking. A note says that some of the documents were taken out to be used in another case against Meisburger and 3 others in 1862. This case was judged by the local court in 1863 and appealed to the supreme court the same year. So I found those case files in the supreme court's documents. Meisburger was never sentenced, as he died during the processing of the case, however it also says that some documents were extracted for a case against one of the 3 others, a commissar Albeck, for a case in 1870. The 1870 documents appear to be lost, though... In the box, there's a contemporary index of the 5 or so cases judged that day, but only one of them is actually in there (and as far as I can tell this case was not appealed)  It does appear from newspapers that Albeck was sort of a serial fraudster though, who specialized in tricking poor people with army excemption/volunteer writs. Perhaps I can find a later case against Albeck with the documents intact?
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uvar posted:I passed on my findings about Henry/Harry to my father, but neglected to point out that the citations were gone, so he went looking and found one anyway! From The 25th Division in Flanders and France by Malcom Kincaid-Smith: Wow nice! Presumably that bit is based on the now-lost WWI service records then?
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Thanks for sharing!! There can be multiple reasons for mismatching ages/years of birth. The most common one is that census records were self-reported, so if someone said they were so&so old, that's what the census taker wrote. After ~1850 though, that's usually no more than 1 year off (in the olden tymes, at least in Denmark, they counted from the first year: a new born was in their first year & so was 1 year old in the census; some older people kept doing that even after it became normal that you were 1 year old on your 1st birthday). I do have a remote cousin though that I had a really hard time finding for a while. I knew that she had 3 children out of wedlock in the 1860s, but after that poof gone. And there are very good searchable indexed sources for that area of Denmark. Eventually I found out that she had married a guy, taken 10 years off her age, and then gradually added them back on as time passed. Their marriage record states the correct age, but then the census the year after states her 10 years younger. Then 5 years after, she's only 8 years too young, and so on until she died at her correct age. I told another Danish genealogist about this weirdness, and he said that one of his ancestors had stopped using his middle name & pretended 5 years younger/older (I forget which), in order to avoid the police catching up with him for unpaid alimony. So far I haven't found any police - or any other - reason for my age-changing woman, but there can be many reasons & they're all worth looking into imo. Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Jaguars! posted:I'd love to do more, but it's getting pretty expensive. I got the 4 most important certificates and bam, that's $80 down the drain. Ancestry has electoral rolls behind another paywall (Just descovered that I might be able to access them via the library) and I tried the shipping records to get when they came over to NZ, but I can't really ID them properly if I don't know the destination port. I did notice that there's not a lot of publicly accessibly stuff on Australia. One of my grandmas cousins emigrated around 1920 and lived & died in Woolloongabba. I eventually tracked him down via the Australian National Archives RecordSearch. Then I did have to order the actual documents, but I didn't mind (cheaper than an aeroplane after all). I got the inquest with statements from his neighbors about his health and all, it's really sad actually, but it's part of my family history and some of the things I find sometimes help my parents put a finger on "oh so that's why they so~and~so" All along the way I got a ton of help from rootschat.com members though, so I very much recommend them to all who are searching in the current & former commonwealth! (also I forgot if I mentioned, but I'll be happy to help with Scandinavian research). I have no words but good for that forum, they really know their poo poo.
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Nice progress! An overview of what sources you've found would be awesome I went & visited my grandma's brother last weekend. He's 97 years old but still fresh as you wouldn't believe. He bikes to the beach pretty much every day all summer & takes a swim. I'm in awe. We had some coffee & cake that my mom (his niece) baked, and just talked about old stuff & I got to borrow a couple of his photo albums  His mother (my great grandmother) when she was around 20, with her "unit" in the Salvation Army:  The left flag says "blood and fire" 
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Don't die, thread  I'm steadily working through the old accounting stuff, and discovered from a copyhold lease that my great-9 grandfather came from Sweden to my hometown during the Scanian War in the late 1670s, probably as a fugitive. He was likely born around the time of the previous war, where Denmark lost Scania to Sweden. The lease mentions his birth-parish, so I'm trying to figure out if I can trace him back further in Sweden. I've gotten another branch in the town back to a great-11 grandfather, who was born before 1620 at the latest, so that's 200 years before the earliest extant church records! This is all possible because for each lease, the accountings mention if who takes over is the son or son-in-law of the previous holder, or sometimes marrying the widow. Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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They're crazy good.
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This Norwegian forum is good, it's run by the sister-org of the Danish genealogical society that I'm a member of. http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/index.php?language=engelsk Also this one, run by the Norwegian State Archives: https://forum.arkivverket.no And for completeness, the one run by the Danish society: https://www.slaegtogdata.dk/forum/index.php/board,3.0.html And a Swedish one that I know is good: http://forum.genealogi.se/index.php They all have free guest accounts. There's a lot of facebook groups for Scandinavian research too, but I can't vouch for them.
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They look really good though! The Danish national archives have put online some of their earliest records now, so I've been transcribing my hometown from the 1500s and 1600s. It turns out that they did not pay a fee to take over the house until 1660, so I don't have the written changeover like "John Jackson takes over his deceased father, Jack Johnson's house" Instead I have a bunch of yearly lists of who lives in the village. Thankfully they're written in the same order each year, so I can see who takes over a specific house. And if their name is a patronymic of who lived there, that's a pretty good indicator that he's the son of him too.
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Welp, it turns out they'll keep writing the house as "Jack Johnson's house" even if he died or fled the country to avoid paying tithes or whatever. So I'll have to go back and go through the actual accountings of who paid their dues and when and try to match those up with my records of the houses, in order to see which houses were empty and for how long. That's gonna take a while, as those records aren't as uniform and not always down to the house level. I did notice that a guy from my hometown was sentenced to beheading & then pardoned for poaching the King's deer though. Unfortunately, the accounting records are summaries of like 1-2 sentences + the fine levied/expenses incurred, so not a lot of witness testimony or anything unless it's been copied as a separate addendum. Also I've gotten in contact with a Swedish genealogist who focuses on the area around where my Scanian fugitive from the 1670s came from, so we've exchanged a bunch of stuff. I have identified one man as a likely father: his age fits, and they have reversed firstname/patronymic names (ie my previously mentioned Jack Johnson/John Jackson) which are usually a pretty good indicator of one being the oldest living son of the other, and there's no documentation of the Scanian guy having a son by the "reverse"/"my guy's name" in the Scanian records – so the assumption is that Scanian guy's son has "disappeared" from Scania to my hometown, if that makes sense.
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I know in Denmark there were child support laws on the books since 1763. Sometimes they solved it in private in which case there will be little to no records, but if the father refused, there would be an official investigation. One of my ancestors was born out of wedlock (actually, several were), and the father was like "nope, these twins born in August 1862 can't be mine. The mother and I were only together once, and that was in December 1861." But the midwife testified that their size was consistent with being born too soon & he was sentenced to pay up. I assume Sweden had similar laws at the time. The patronymic could well be a hint to the father. Perhaps try the Swedish forum I mentioned earlier.
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Awesome! Also that pattern is almost the same as my great grandmother & one of her sisters are wearing in this one!  She's the oldest, photo is from ca. 1905 when she was around 18. Still working on connecting housing records:  Black arrows mean the tenant is the same, red arrows mean unsure, & grey means "moved" (either they were counted in a different order, or they swapped houses; both are possible).
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Yeah handed down family histories can be incredibly misleading. It's super important to verify everything in the original sources. Currently trying to locate the descendants of an English woman who visited my hometown in 1909. My family has a photo album that she sent after her stay & it'd be fun to add like letters or a diary or something from her time in Denmark, and her descendants might want copies of the album too. She emigrated to Canada in 1913, and I'm in contact with a Canadian genealogist who has her out on a side branch on her tree, so she's helping me.
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The Canadian genealogist has helped me a lot & supplied a ton of information. Unfortunately she doesn't know anything further than 1-2 generations after the English woman, so these people are all dead & none of us know who (if any) came after. Oh well. She's not in my tree after all, it would just have been cool to get in contact with a direct descendant and be like: "Hey, here's a bunch of pictures your great great grandmother took a hundred years ago". Maybe someone googles her name at some point 10 years from now and contacts me.
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Also that reminded me of this awesome act of genealogical charity so: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3762966
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I've considered doing the DNA thing, but I don't think I would be interested in the results. Like they'd be 95% Scandinavia + some loose ends. Then again, I'm talking to a guy who apparently through DNA knows that he & another guy are both direct male line descendants of some guy who lived around 500 years ago & there's a convenient gap in the records right around then, so they're trying to tie that knot. I've been helping out cause it's within my area of interest & I have ancestors in that area too. So that kind of DNA matching is pretty cool. I just don't think I'll match with so many cause I've charted out so much & if I get a weird match that means my research is wrong and then it's all a waste. heh.
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Owlkill posted:I haven't discovered anything that interesting to an outsider, Ok... Owlkill posted:but you can uncover some really interesting stories. One of my ancestorsdeserved to win a Darwin award... he made a bet to walk a mile, run a mile and swim a mile, which he succeeded at, and then promptly dropped down dead leaving a pregnant widow in his wake. You're disproving that other sentence immediately!
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Feb 12, 2017 18:24
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Nice effort post Jaguars!
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Feb 16, 2017 20:31
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Yeah I bet. The ones I'm looking at change a lot over the years, too.
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Feb 17, 2017 09:41
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Speaking of, I just finished organizing the 25k images of accountings & land records 1582–1661 into ~700 folders + mostly marked up which ones actually refer to my hometown. Earliest reference so far is in a list of fines levied for 1582–83: Jens Jutlander was fined 6 marks for "beating Jens Jensen and Little Jep bloody"
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Feb 18, 2017 18:36
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Yes! There was a head tax levied in 1645, and the accountings contain a contemporary transcript of the original "census" which includes the given names of wives! Otherwise, it's 99.99% men in these things, this is super useful.
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Oh my god today I found 3 love letters from my great4-grandfather to my great4-grandmother! They were written in the early 1840s! But oh wow, the spelling & handwriting is amazingly bad. The first letter is only some 200 words in 30 lines & I'm on my 7th pass trying to make sense of it, each time teasing out slightly clearer reading. For instance these two lines:  As far as I can tell, what's written is this: "enPige som at jeg kændær somvel skaffe dig en kaandijon somamme". Which would be written something like this by an educated person: "En Pige som jeg kender vil skaffe dig Condition som Amme" (A girl I know will get you employment as a wetnurse). Oracle posted:Got Swedish ancestry? This weekend ArkivDigital is offering free access to their website! I read Swedish, but I'm not good at writing it. Also, seconding the quality of ArkivDigital's scans. Shame they're a paysite most of the year.
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Mar 16, 2017 17:41
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Bilirubin posted:Nice find! Btw, this was a totally lucky find. I had known for years when and where my great-3 grandma was born, and when and where her parents were married. Thing is there were 5 years between those two dates (and we had paternity laws since the late 1700s), so I went trawling in the county archives. Luckily that county kept pretty good conteporary name indexes, and there showed up a case in 1842 (child was born 1840, they married 1845). The love letters were included in the material because my g*ma handed them over to the officials so they could track down my g*pa. Her letters to him are probably lost because he kept them or threw them away or someone else threw them away any time in the almost 200 years after that. Hooray for bureaucracy I suppose  e: also his letters are very sincere and loving on the surface, but he's very much holding back because of the economy. Like "I am so glad to hear we have a daughter! I cannot come back home to marry you just now, i have no money! but maybe you can come up here and get a job as a wetnurse? i will always love you, your only true friend until death" literally his choice of words. anyway they lost contact, she had him tracked down, they married & lived happily ever after. just like the fairy tales Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Nice! Man I wish we kept graves here, but then again, we'd be entirely covered in tombstones by now. I'm trying to write together the stuff about the 1840 birth-out-of-wedlock for my great uncle, but I keep finding out more stuff to put in. It seems her mother was never confirmed (lutheran), which was a requirement to get married and basically to become a legal adult. I've checked every parish in the county and there are multiple women of the same name that get confirmed, but they all have other parents. So I decided to track her backwards in the arrival/departure lists that each parish kept. Some priests were better at it than others, but I've ascertained these facts for sure:
All this makes me like 95% sure that my ancestor and the older woman at some point exchanged recommendation booklets, or my ancestor stole the other one & combined the pages somehow. * ) by law, all servants carried a small booklet wherein their employers wrote recommendations (or the opposite). The pages were numbered and drawn through with a string to prevent fraud. But if you had the same name, I suppose it would be possible to mix & match pages from two booklets if you could fake the string. Dunno if all that even makes sense, it's super hard to keep all these details in check. I think I might try a table of my ancestor, the other woman, and the travel records, and then compare facts?
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