tabs vs spaces thunderdome

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Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Jabor posted:

Tabs to indent, spaces to align.

By which I mean only ever use tabs, because loving around vertically aligning things is piss garbage for autistic children.

I don't manually align stuff, my editor does that for me.

like serious question, don't you guys do stuff like this just by pressing enter:

code:

dumb_list_of_lists = [[1, 2], 
                      [3, 4], 
                      [5, 6]]

do you mix tabs and spaces for that? ewww if so

# ? Jun 1, 2016 13:58

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GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

Bloody posted:

resharper reformats everything I see to match its style rules so it doesn't matter

p. sure one of the default resharper rules is "replace tabs with spaces." bitch

# ? Jun 1, 2016 14:52

vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

barcoded posted:

there is a huge difference between the two in python lol best programming language

Please explain this to me, an idiot python user

# ? Jun 1, 2016 14:56

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

Symbolic Butt posted:

I don't manually align stuff, my editor does that for me.

like serious question, don't you guys do stuff like this just by pressing enter:
code:
dumb_list_of_lists = [[1, 2], 
                      [3, 4], 
                      [5, 6]] 
do you mix tabs and spaces for that? ewww if so

code:

dumb_list_of_lists = [
	[1, 2],
	[3, 4],
	[5, 6],
]

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:03

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Symbolic Butt posted:

having a character for tab is a super dumb idea and you're bad if you use it

wrong. the tab character is the best character. spaces for indentation is absolutely retarded with litterrally no justification (lol).

if tabs look wrong in your editor your editor is trash and so are you.

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:06

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

like where would you even get an ide in 2016 that doesn't support hard tabs?

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:06

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

qntm posted:

code:

dumb_list_of_lists = [
	[1, 2],
	[3, 4],
	[5, 6],
]

disgusting

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:07

triple sulk: Sep 17, 2014

Shaggar posted:

like where would you even get an ide in 2016 that doesn't support hard tabs?

from the ide circus, with the rest of the clown ides

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:11

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

C# code:

int[,] dumbListOfLists =
{
	{ 1, 2 },
	{ 3, 4 },
	{ 5, 6 }
};

fixed

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:11

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Shaggar posted:

C# code:

int[,] dumbListOfLists =
{
	{ 1, 2 },
	{ 3, 4 },
	{ 5, 6 }
};

fixed

c-sharp doesn't allow trailing commas?

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:12

triple sulk: Sep 17, 2014

prefect posted:

c-sharp doesn't allow trailing commas?

it does, but why would you use them

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:13

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

Symbolic Butt posted:

I don't manually align stuff, my editor does that for me.

like serious question, don't you guys do stuff like this just by pressing enter:
code:
dumb_list_of_lists = [[1, 2], 
                      [3, 4], 
                      [5, 6]] 
do you mix tabs and spaces for that? ewww if so

this is really really bad, because if you need to rename the variable then you suddenly have to reindent everything for absolutely no good reason

also there's a reason we don't do poo poo like

code:

if (foo) { //code
           //here
           }

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:19

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

triple sulk posted:

it does, but why would you use them

if you have to reorder lines or add new ones, you don't have to worry about whether or not there should be a comma there

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:20

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

Shaggar posted:

like where would you even get an ide in 2016 that doesn't support hard tabs?

where in 2016 would you find someone who cares about their filesizes being bigger by a couple bytes because they used spaces, the good whitespace, instead of tabs, the bad whitespace.

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:33

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

its not about file size its about consistency

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:35

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

when you use tabs, everyone gets exactly what they want because they control the tabstop independent of the code.

when you use spaces you get a mess of poo poo because people use different space counts for each soft tab.

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:37

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Shaggar posted:

when you use tabs, everyone gets exactly what they want because they control the tabstop independent of the code.

when you use spaces you get a mess of poo poo because people use different space counts for each soft tab.

what about style-checking rules like "no lines longer than X characters"?

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:43

taco_fox: Dec 14, 2005

Shaggar posted:

all man style.
hard tabs only.

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:45

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

Shaggar posted:

when you use tabs, everyone gets exactly what they want because they control the tabstop independent of the code.

when you use spaces you get a mess of poo poo because people use different space counts for each soft tab.

you put 4-space tab in ur .stylecop in git. problem solved

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:45

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG: Mar 2, 2005

prefect posted:

what about style-checking rules like "no lines longer than X characters"?

Maybe stop developing in a 240x120 vim terminal

# ? Jun 1, 2016 15:55

GameCube: Nov 21, 2006

short lines make it easier to work on files side-by-side or read diffs or whatever. idiot. fucker

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:00

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

GameCube posted:

short lines make it easier to work on files side-by-side or read diffs or whatever. idiot. fucker

, except for the insult parts :shobon:

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:01

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

prefect posted:

what about style-checking rules like "no lines longer than X characters"?

that's a stupid rule

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:07

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

GameCube posted:

you put 4-space tab in ur .stylecop in git. problem solved

or just use hard tabs so its not a problem anymore.

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:07

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

soft tabs are absolutely fundamentally retarded when theres a tab character. there is litterrally a character designed for what you are doing and you are deciding not to use it.

soft tabs are a sign of poor judgement and poor technical understanding.

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:09

Triglav: Jun 2, 2007; IT IS HARAAM TO SEND SMILEY FACES THROUGH THE INTERNET

computers can go beyond 80 chars/line now

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:14

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Shaggar posted:

soft tabs are absolutely fundamentally retarded when theres a tab character. there is litterrally a character designed for what you are doing and you are deciding not to use it.

soft tabs are a sign of poor judgement and poor technical understanding.

what do you mean by "soft tab"?

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:15

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG: Mar 2, 2005

prefect posted:

what do you mean by "soft tab"?

pressing spacebar like 5 times

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:18

Triglav: Jun 2, 2007; IT IS HARAAM TO SEND SMILEY FACES THROUGH THE INTERNET

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:21

exe cummings: Jan 22, 2005

i press ctrl+shift+f and it makes the bad feelings go away

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:22

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

in framemaker, you could define the individual tab stops you wanted, so if you wanted the first tab to be halfway across the page, that's where it would go :allears:

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:25

Elder Postsman: Aug 30, 2000; i used hot bot to search for "teens"

in my ide when i push tab it inserts 4 spaces. idk. tabs are ok too. i don't really have strong opinions in this matter.

GameCube posted:

short lines make it easier to work on files side-by-side or read diffs or whatever. idiot. fucker

Jabor posted:

this is really really bad, because if you need to rename the variable then you suddenly have to reindent everything for absolutely no good reason

i do think these are good posts tho.

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:26

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

prefect posted:

what do you mean by "soft tab"?

a tab made of spaces instead of the tab character which would be a hard tab

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:42

Convoolio: Oct 31, 2005

let's put typesetting characters in code. literate programming.

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:44

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

yes. because we are humans reading the type, we need type setting characters. once it hits the compiler you can remove them.

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:45

Convoolio: Oct 31, 2005

also fonts and style tags

EDIT: and external stylesheets!!!

# ? Jun 1, 2016 16:49

Agile Vector: May 21, 2007; scrum bored

Convoolio posted:

also fonts and style tags

EDIT: and external stylesheets!!!

lol just lol if you dont monokai bithc

# ? Jun 1, 2016 17:02

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Jabor posted:

this is really really bad, because if you need to rename the variable then you suddenly have to reindent everything for absolutely no good reason

I have to reindent poo poo all the time anyway when I'm changing code by pressing like 2 buttons. I don't even notice it anymore.

I could let the editor do it automatically in these cases I guess but I never really cared much to consider this before

# ? Jun 1, 2016 17:03

Share Bear: Apr 27, 2004

whatever your team does as long as its sane, have your ide or a git thing reformat when you save, done

# ? Jun 1, 2016 17:04

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# ? May 15, 2024 02:04

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
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Agile Vector posted:

lol just lol if you dont monokai bithc

the name makes me think of lepers

# ? Jun 1, 2016 17:04

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