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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, it's doing exactly what Madison wanted. If you're an aristocrat this country is still doing pretty great. Keep in mind Madison bought up a bunch of land on the Potomac so that he'd get rich(er) when DC got built. We're getting the plutocracy we planned for. And to be fair, it's not like they were making up this pro-aristocratic worldview out of whole cloth. The Founding Fathers and other intellectuals of their generation were all big fans of Classical Antiquity, and the most stable governments in ancient Greece and Rome tended to be aristocratic ones (as Aristotle famously observed). Even the Athenian democracy held that the instruments of power should be left to the kalloi kagathoi ("the beautiful and the virtuous"), ie: those that were high-born and well-bred. So it makes sense that the Founding Fathers would go into creating the American state trying to emulate this public mindset. Bip Roberts posted:Trump winning is the single most likely possible outcome. Think about that. I strongly disagree. 
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Bip Roberts posted:Trump winning is the single most likely possible outcome. Think about that. What
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Majorian posted:To be fair, I think some did. They just, you know. Got overruled by all the super-rich Virginians who really liked owning other humans. Those super-rich Virginians were debtors more often than not, living like an English country lord turned out to be very expensive and tobacco didn't always pay the bills. Which is part of the reason (racist madness aside) that they were so loathe to give up their slaves, because they represented a big chunk of wealth that could be easily converted into cash if need be.
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Majorian posted:To be fair, I think some did. They just, you know. Got overruled by all the super-rich Virginians who really liked owning other humans. Hamilton was an abolitionist but a big fan of banks and would be solidly on the one-percenter side today. Jefferson was a slave rapist but generally cared about the poor white people. Basically for the founders you're looking at "cares about the poor / cares about people who arent white" pick one of two.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hamilton was an abolitionist but a big fan of banks and would be solidly on the one-percenter side today. Jefferson was a slave rapist but generally cared about the poor white people. I think Franklin managed both (he was definitely an abolitionist), but he also spent a lot of his time pursuing, ahem, "other interests."
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Majorian posted:I think Franklin managed both (he was definitely an abolitionist), but he also spent a lot of his time pursuing, ahem, "other interests." He means boning older women.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hamilton was an abolitionist but a big fan of banks and would be solidly on the one-percenter side today. Jefferson was a slave rapist but generally cared about the poor white people. Hamilton was a borderline Monarchist
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Majorian posted:I think Franklin managed both (he was definitely an abolitionist), but he also spent a lot of his time pursuing, ahem, "other interests." That's a funny way of spelling French prostitutes.
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MariusLecter posted:He means boning older women. WampaLord posted:That's a funny way of spelling French prostitutes. That was what I was getting at, yes. And what he was getting at.
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Majorian posted:That was what I was getting at, yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Hamilton was a borderline Monarchist Alexander Hamilton was not so much a fan of monarchy as he was a fan of there being a unitary executive with unlimited power, and also that said executive's name should be Alexander Hamilton, and he did not give a poo poo who knew it. There is a reason that the second George Washington was too syphilis-riddled to command anymore his career did a downright prescient Rob Schneider impression.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Hamilton was a borderline Monarchist Indeed, he famously argued for an elective monarchy for the U.S. Thank you, I'm very proud of myself.
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Riosan posted:Not only those, but Michigan too. I'm sure lots of people are willing to vote Republican after children were literally poisoned because of poor infrastructure upkeep. Hah. They are. The next governor will be a Democrat, but that's not going to seep into other races. Trump is a unique candidate that could conceivably flip states like Michigan or Wisconsin, but it's bad strategy to focus on them because they're sure not flipping before Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.
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Ze Pollack posted:There is a reason that the second George Washington was too syphilis-riddled to command anymore his career did a downright prescient Rob Schneider impression. Pretty sure that Washington never had syphilis.
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On the topic of the Founding Fathers' hypocrisy and slavery, there's a new ERB out of Thomas Jefferson vs. Frederick Douglass. I think you'll all enjoy it.
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RZA Encryption posted:Is there a map where Hillary hits 270 before the west coast polls close? With only these states being in, Hillary would be guaranteed to win because at that point she will just need California (which would place her over the top to 273):
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WampaLord posted:That's a funny way of spelling French aristocrats. Also all living female humans. At least. Franklin was an abolitionist later in life, to the point where he visited a black school and declared the black kids equal to white kids, and he supported stuff like publicly funded hospitals. He was racist in a paternalistic sort of way, but was so far ahead of the curve circa 1800 that it's pretty impressive. In the lead up to the French Revolution he was basically portrayed in France as loving Zeus, which is pretty awesome, and fairly accurate insofar as I think Zeus banged everything in Greek mythology at some point or another.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Pretty sure that Washington never had syphilis. Pick your teeth-falling-out getting-steadily-crazier disease of choice, point remains Alexander Hamilton's political career without his sugar daddy standing by to cover for him can be summed up with the single word "Nope."
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DaveWoo posted:Yes, but wait until you see Trump's brilliant electoral strategy: I can understand FL, OH, VA, and even the white whale of PA, but California? (or NY, lol) Yes I'm sure the state with a huge hispanic population and a super(?) majority of democrats at the state level is going to turn red. Boon posted:Came for the updated avatar.  Shimrra Jamaane posted:Democrats are going to win back the Senate, it's almost inevitable. They might lose it in 2018 but they will win it this year. They only need it for 2 years to fill every single vacancy the GOP has been stonewalling on. And 2 years is a long time for Ryan to be in the spotlight as the one blocking Things Getting Done(tm). But yeah 2018 is going to suck because there's zero chance the Dems get historically bad midterm turnout rates to go up unless we get mail-in voting in all 50 states maybe.
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:What is arzy? http://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php?act=3&topicid=2431
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:What is arzy? arzy was a dude who flipped the gently caress out chicken little-ing every time something that could even be interpreted as bad happened for Obama during the 2008 (i think?) election he was also a huge piece of poo poo for other reasons. i think he was an investment banker and went to bat for them in a number of threads, iirc
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Majorian posted:I strongly disagree. The mode of that distribution is a point where Trump wins.
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Majorian posted:On the topic of the Founding Fathers' hypocrisy and slavery, there's a new ERB out of Thomas Jefferson vs. Frederick Douglass. I think you'll all enjoy it. this is the funkiest couple beats they've ever had
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Trump losing is basically going to signal the end of Paul Ryan's career because they're going to RINO the hell out of him. It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the 2017 budget debate. Do the Republicans get a continuing resolution this time, or do the Democrats force them to try shutting down the government just before a general election? Even if they manage to delay it until after the election, the party will likely be eating itself alive and it's safe to say Ryan won't be having much fun in any case/ This is speculation on my part and I'm too dumb to look up the tea party's electoral prospects, but won't a democrat surge hurt moderate house Republicans the most? Moderates are more likely to be in competitive districts that have a chance of being flipped, while safe republican seats are more likely to have already been primaried by members of the Freedom caucus. If this is the case, the house could be even crazier after the election even without the inevitable infighting following a humiliating defeat.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I can understand FL, OH, VA, and even the white whale of PA, but California? (or NY, lol) Yes I'm sure the state with a huge hispanic population and a super(?) majority of democrats at the state level is going to turn red. It's been mentioned to death in the thread, but MN hasn't gone red since Nixon in 1972, so that's an even less likely get than PA or NY.
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Bip Roberts posted:The mode of that distribution is a point where Trump wins. Ah, gotcha. Should have scrolled back to see the context.  emdash posted:arzy was a dude who flipped the gently caress out chicken little-ing every time something that could even be interpreted as bad happened for Obama during the 2008 (i think?) election Yup. As far as I remember, he was a pleasant enough dude when he wasn't losing his poo poo over really stupid non-indicators, until it came out that he was an investment banker.
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I'm also going to point out that depending on how things go with Garland, a Hillary win would mean a liberal Supreme Court.
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So there's some arab kid on UCLA's campus shooting the place up - do our probably 15 mass shootings before November favour Trump or Clinton? Twitter spam accounts that latch onto trends are the best https://twitter.com/puzzlegamesG/status/738057414235160576 pathetic little tramp fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Majorian posted:Ah, gotcha. Should have scrolled back to see the context. Arzy also went from rabidly pro-Obama to Romney's biggest supporter because he thought Obama was fostering a national climate of hate against investment bankers. He also claimed that Obama increasing taxes on people making over 300k and Obamacare raising the Medicare tax for people over 250k meant Obama lied about not raising taxes on the middle class and he was unable to make ends meet. Does he still post? I haven't seen him in a while. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/greta/status/738051845713694721 Have a laugh and try and guess what pictures she's melting down about before you click through.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Arzy also went from rabidly pro-Obama to Romney's biggest supporter because he thought Obama was fostering a national climate of hate against investment bankers. Oh yes, I totally forgot about this. He and Arkane became close buds iirc.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/greta/status/738051845713694721  Jesus Christ
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pathetic little tramp posted:So there's some arab kid on UCLA's campus shooting the place up - do our probably 15 mass shootings before November favour Trump or Clinton? Over summer break? Bad timing for the final meltdown imho
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/greta/status/738051845713694721 These people are loving stupid.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/greta/status/738051845713694721 Lol she's spinning it as her supporting giving Nasa more money. https://twitter.com/greta/status/738059154405924864
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MacheteZombie posted:Lol she's spinning it as her supporting giving Nasa more money. But sequestration and austerity were all great ideas because
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pathetic little tramp posted:So there's some arab kid on UCLA's campus shooting the place up - do our probably 15 mass shootings before November favour Trump or Clinton? Not sure where you got "Arab Kid" from, everywhere I'm seeing is saying "white male".
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Epic High Five posted:Over summer break? Bad timing for the final meltdown imho naw this is the week right before finals at UCLA maybe the dude's targeting someone who got an internship or job over him? Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill would have had a drink together and solved the issue of interplanetary data transmissions. Why won't Obama lead?
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