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I actually bring in 1 wear/tear in the dark vs ANT for carpet of flowers, grid, city and other random stuff - at worst it's a 1/2 for counterbalance. If I see a target I bring in the other one for game 3.
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Sigma-X posted:Defense Grid and City of Solitude are basically Duresses that are immune to Flusterstorm, and that you want to play early rather than holding for your critical turn like you do with discard spells. Also the aforementioned inability to top during your turn.
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Jun 22, 2016 21:46
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The March Hare posted:Are there any legacy decks you can build 100% out of promos? I think the closest I've found is d&t. If you count the premium deck series as a promo burn can be 100% promos. Even if you don't count it I think you can come pretty close.
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Jun 22, 2016 22:01
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Network42 posted:If you count the premium deck series as a promo burn can be 100% promos. Even if you don't count it I think you can come pretty close. Swiftspear?
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Jun 22, 2016 22:20
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suicidesteve posted:Swiftspear? And eidolon.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:32
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little munchkin posted:Linvala is also good against Bant Eldrazi and affinity. I'm wondering about 2 Path in place of Twisted Image, it still deals with Spellskite, is more relevant in the Jund matchup and it helps for Infect. E: Or is dealing with dorks that important?
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Jun 22, 2016 23:48
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Pontius Pilate posted:And eidolon. Oh right, I was thinking Eidolon was after they started giving you any rare as your promo.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:53
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suicidesteve posted:Oh right, I was thinking Eidolon was after they started giving you any rare as your promo. Nah that was the bullshit one where everyone was trying to get the white pack because of Dawnbringer Charioteers.
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Jun 23, 2016 04:29
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L0cke17 posted:This is where I'm at currently. Considerations for changes Im thinking now: 1 more mill card, and another crypt incursion, or blockers somewhere. When I was playing sprout spawning (which I cut because dispel is too common nowadays to rely on it) it was great for making blockers, but this list leans heavily on removal then eventually resolving a crypt incursion halfway through milling the opponents deck to stay alive. its weak to mono-black, but is otherwise decent in most matchups.
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Jun 23, 2016 05:12
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The March Hare posted:Are there any legacy decks you can build 100% out of promos? I think the closest I've found is d&t. Goblins I believe has everything but the manabase.
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Jun 23, 2016 15:17
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Is it just missing the caverns? iirc there are judge wastelands and ports. Oh i guess it usually splashes either black or white so youve got the duals too
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Jun 23, 2016 15:42
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Skyl3lazer posted:Goblins I believe has everything but the manabase. Are we counting FTV? Presumably we are.
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Jun 23, 2016 15:54
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I'm super bummed that my little tier 2 modern deck somehow marauded it's way into a PTQ crushing deck that managed to get itself banned not 6 months after I bought all the pieces... Is there anything similar I can salvage as much as possible from my Amulet Bloom deck into? Maybe scapeshift or some sort of Valakut deck?
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Razzled posted:I'm super bummed that my little tier 2 modern deck somehow marauded it's way into a PTQ crushing deck that managed to get itself banned not 6 months after I bought all the pieces... GR titanshift maybe.
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Jun 24, 2016 06:08
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Razzled posted:I'm super bummed that my little tier 2 modern deck somehow marauded it's way into a PTQ crushing deck that managed to get itself banned not 6 months after I bought all the pieces... Add an Azusa, put in 3 explore, and it's a turn 3-4 win
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Jun 24, 2016 09:33
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Razzled posted:I'm super bummed that my little tier 2 modern deck somehow marauded it's way into a PTQ crushing deck that managed to get itself banned not 6 months after I bought all the pieces...
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Jun 24, 2016 23:38
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eSporks posted:Quit playing modern.
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Jun 24, 2016 23:45
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Or understand when the entire community is calling for a ban on a deck, there's a chance it'll happen. With no modern pro tour, there's less likely to be any more shake-up bans. Nothing is oppressive right now, so it's doubtful there will be any bans for a while.
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Yea modern is actually (mostly) good now. There's a ton of diversity in decks. There's still the problem with some non-interactive decks and too much reliance on sideboard hate, but what are you going to do, play Standard? Razzled posted:I'm super bummed that my little tier 2 modern deck somehow marauded it's way into a PTQ crushing deck that managed to get itself banned not 6 months after I bought all the pieces... Someone locally plays Bloomless Titan and does real well with it. Here's his list from some states thing: 4xSimic Growth Chamber 2xGruul Turf 2xBoros Garrison 1xSelesnya Sanctuary 1xGolgari Rot Farm 4xGemstone Mine 2xTolaria West 1xMana Confluence 1xCavern of Souls 1xIsland 1xForest 1xRadiant Fountain 1xKhalni Garden 1xVesuva 1xSlayer's Stronghold 1xSunhome, Fortress of the Legion 4xPrimeval Titan 2xSimian Spirit Guide 2xCourser of Kruphix 1xAsuza, Lost but Seeking 4xSerum Visions 4xExplore 4xAncient Stirrings 4xAmulet of Vigor 4xSummoner's Pact 3xPact of Negation 2xHive Mind 1xSlaughter Pact 0xSideboard: 1xDragonlord Dromoka 2xFirespout 1xGhost Quarter 1xHornet Queen 2xLeyline of Sanctity 1xNature's Claim 1xRest in Peace 1xSeal of the Primordium 1xSigarda, Heron's Grace 1xSwan Song 2xThragtusk 1xWrath of God
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Jun 24, 2016 23:52
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To this day I wish they'd have left Pod legal and changed the format so Pod wasn't too good. Pod was so much fun to play against.
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Jun 24, 2016 23:56
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suicidesteve posted:To this day I wish they'd have left Pod legal and changed the format so Pod wasn't too good. Pod was so much fun to play against. Also play with! Pod was an insanely fun deck to pilot and play against, there were so many lines of play with that deck.
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Thisuck posted:Also play with! Pod was an insanely fun deck to pilot and play against, there were so many lines of play with that deck. I don't think I've ever cast the card (though I did Comandeer one in Commander once,) but all of my favorite games of modern were against Pod. Much more interesting and interactive than anything that exists now.
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Jun 25, 2016 00:56
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Pod is my favorite card and the epitome of Starcraft Magic, imo
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So is Dredge in Modern a real deck now or is it overhyped nonsense?
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TheKingofSprings posted:So is Dredge in Modern a real deck now or is it overhyped nonsense?
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Jun 25, 2016 22:22
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TheKingofSprings posted:So is Dredge in Modern a real deck now or is it overhyped nonsense? It's yet another "draw your sideboard card or you probably lose" deck that the format is already full of except it also randomly loses to itself a lot.
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suicidesteve posted:It's yet another "draw your sideboard card or you probably lose" deck that the format is already full of except it also randomly loses to itself a lot. What makes it lose to itself? The lack of Bridge and a reliable sac outlet?
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TheKingofSprings posted:What makes it lose to itself? The lack of Bridge and a reliable sac outlet? It randomly draws the cards in the wrong order, doesn't have a Faithless Looting, doesn't have a Bridge, doesn't have a Gargadon, etc. Basically it's all the worst parts of combo without most of the good parts of combo.
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Jun 25, 2016 22:36
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I feel like you're talking about something very different than modern dredge.
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Network42 posted:I feel like you're talking about something very different than modern dredge. Nope.
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The biggest problem is the lack of good discard outlets, also sometimes you just end up mulling to 4 because you either don't have a discard/dredge outlet. It's nice when you hit like 10 power when you untap on turn 2 but that's not very consistent and yeah, side board hate usually hoses your entire deck. Meanwhile Legacy dredge have some really sweet discard/draw outlets along with Ichorid to generate zambos every turn with bridges. Edit: Yeah that's probably the best version of that right now, there's the Dredgevine version that runs Vengevine and Gravecrawler, problems with discard if you want to run Prized Amalgams and Narcomebas. This is the other version, which is nice, but still lack reliable discard and no Bridge like the Vengevine version. Thisuck fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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Jun 25, 2016 23:06
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I'm trying to find a cheap modern deck that I can gradually build into something competitive. Right now I'm looking at either building a super cheapskate version of Kiki Chord or Abzan Company (shittier manabase, replace Noble Hierarch with some other mana dork, etc.) or building a budget UR delver deck and working my way into Jeskai control or Grixis delver. Any advice?
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uninverted posted:I'm trying to find a cheap modern deck that I can gradually build into something competitive. Right now I'm looking at either building a super cheapskate version of Kiki Chord or Abzan Company (shittier manabase, replace Noble Hierarch with some other mana dork, etc.) or building a budget UR delver deck and working my way into Jeskai control or Grixis delver. Any advice? I honestly don't know how you could build abzan company or kiki chord on a low budget without it being terrible. You could try for a UR delver style list, by either going for UR prowess or delver with young pyro. The young Pyro build wants Snapcasters way more than a prowess build though. If you did a prowess deck with a base of something like: 4x delver of secrets 4x Monastery Swifts pear 4x stormchaser mage 4x abbot of keral keep 4x bolt 4x gitaxian probe 4x serum visions And fill out the rest with probably mishra's bauble, forked bolt, electrolyze, vapor snag, and whatever else, 18-20 land, it could probably be pretty budget friendly. Could also replace stormchaser with young pyro too. UR delver isn't great right now but once you get Snapcasters you could go towards grixis delver, which is actually a cool and good deck. Fingers McLongDong fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I honestly don't know how you could build abzan company or kiki chord on a low budget without it being terrible. You could try for a UR delver style list, by either going for UR prowess or delver with young pyro. The young Pyro build wants Snapcasters way more than a prowess build though. If you did a prowess deck with a base of something like: Lava spike as well. The Grixis version gets Gurmag Anglers, which essentially turn into 1 to cast 5/5s with how fast you're planning to cycle cards to enable prowess, the Grixis version also runs Thought Scour, which is another way to power your prowess creatures and get stuff in the yard for the Gurmanglers
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Thisuck posted:Lava spike as well. The Grixis version gets Gurmag Anglers, which essentially turn into 1 to cast 5/5s with how fast you're planning to cycle cards to enable prowess, the Grixis version also runs Thought Scour, which is another way to power your prowess creatures and get stuff in the yard for the Gurmanglers This could work too. The lava spikes would be good in straight UR prowess probably, I was just thinking of a 2 color list since he mentioned starting on a budget. I forgot to mention mutagenic growth, which I'd play in a UR prowess deck. Thought scours into gurmag/tasigur is exactly what the real grixis delver decks want to be doing though, yeah. I like the versions that run delver, snaps, angler/tasigur and young peezy with bolts and tons of spot removal, but the manabase can be a bit expensive that way.
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My "budget" version of abzan company just uses Wooded Foothills instead of Verdant Catacombs, and Avacyn's Pilgrim instead of Noble Hierarch. I'm not sure you can really call an $800 deck "budget", but it works fine without spending that extra $300-400. Actually the big annoyance for me money-wise is the lack of fulminators for the tron matchup.
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4 Delver of Secrets 4 Stormchaser Mage 4 Young Pyromancer 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Mana Leak 2 Spell Snare 4 Serum Visions 2 Electrolyze 4 Gitaxian Probe 1 Dismember 2 Spell Pierce 1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar 2 Vapor Snag 2 Sulfur Falls 10 Island 8 Mountain 2 Steam Vents Sounds like the consensus is to go for delver, would a list like this be a good place to start for ~$150?
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uninverted posted:4 Delver of Secrets Stormchaser mage is a nonbo with counterspells. I'm not really sure what to replace it with though. Also you need better mana fixing, but you probably know that already. I think you want at least one Grim Lavamancer.
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The stormchasers are pretty much a placeholder for snapcaster mage, I agree that they're not great. Is Grim Lavamancer still good without fetchlands in the deck? Also, is 22 lands right or should I have fewer?
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the Lava Man is fine if you go the bauble/probe/lava spike/mutagenic growth plan and just try and hit people in the face. if you're on that plan you probably shave a few lands and don't mess around with things like Pia and Kirin e: Paul Rietzl has unveiled a delight of a deck in the VSL: //Creatures 1 Blightsteel Colossus 1 Trinket Mage 1 Snapcaster Mage 1 Consecrated Sphinx //Jace the Mind Sculptors 3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor //Spells 1 Tinker 1 Time Walk 4 Force of Will 3 Mana Drain 3 Mental Misstep 2 Flusterstorm 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Brainstorm 1 Fact or Fiction 1 Mystical Tutor 1 Repeal 1 Spell Pierce 1 Spell Snare //Artifacts 3 Null Rod 1 Black Lotus 1 Crucible of Worlds 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Sol Ring 1 Chalice of the Void 1 Mana Crypt //Enchantments 3 Back to Basics //Lands 9 Island 4 Wasteland 2 Polluted Delta 1 Strip Mine 1 Library of Alexandria 1 Scalding Tarn 1 Flooded Strand 1 Misty Rainforest //Sideboard 1 Flusterstorm 2 Annul 2 Blue Elemental Blast 2 Grafdigger's Cage 2 Mindbreak Trap 2 Dismember 1 Propaganda 1 Hurkyl's Recall 1 Arcane Laboratory 1 Ravenous Trap So, this deck is kind of a mash of the two things I wanted to do in Vintage. I wanted to play 4 wastelands, a strip mine, and a crucible. That leaves me with landstill or some shops variant. the other thing I want to do is play a 3 mana enchantment that hoses most lands in the format. This meant Blue Moon, but Paul has remembered that Back to Basics is a card that exists. I think if I played this, I would be inclined to make it UR, just to have better ways of interacting with resolved permanents. So, probably some Dork Fandangos and Sudden Shocks and an EE main, pyroblasts, sulfur elemental, probably a hammer mage and other red artifact hate in the board. People played three color stoneblade decks with back to basics in it, so there has to be a way to make that manabase work. Maybe two Volcs and a mountain? maybe switch that around? One thing I know I am keeping around is Propaganda. holy poo poo is that hot against the Eldrazi manabase Johnny Five-Jaces fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Jun 26, 2016 |
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