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spoon0042 posted:NADER 2000 could be worse. you could be one of the democrats who voted for Bush :X
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punk rebel ecks posted:This assumes that these nerds are "good guys" to begin with. No it doesn't, it just assumes they self identify as such.
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i did fall into the south park "truth in the middle" camp for a good bit in the 00's. my craving for raunchy late night cartoon have been taken over by rick and morty so i am cured unless next season have ric having monalogs about how trump should be leader. and on the subject of cartoons i was someone who hated HATED Lisa Simpson for being a vegetarian and the moth piece for left wing propaganda until i rewatched the older epasoides when i was grown and saw there was jokes that make fun of the right since season 1. now i kind of like lisa over bart. also i thought D&D was the worst subforum on SA until i dive deeper into CD, people who think Zach synder is some hidden arthouse directer should be mocked just as bad as assholes in fedoras. Cyron fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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I was really into Ayn Rand in high school. Read Anthem, The Fountainhead, and Atlas Shrugged all within a couple of months in 2004. I was in high school and working at Burger King at the start of this but damned if I didn't think I was working to singlehandedly create the great capitalist utopia. I saw "John Galt was right" scrawled on the wall in one of the bathroom stalls at the community college where I was taking classes and thought I had truly assumed my place among intellectual equals. (This all sounds very sad in retrospect.) Eventually the cognitive dissonance of being supported by state scholarships, grants, and loans throughout my university career got to me, as did my utter debt to compulsory education. It helped that just about everybody I respected at my university had a pretty dim view of libertarianism too. The final nail in the coffin of my "I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative  " attitude was the econ class lecture on externalities.
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Cyron posted:i did fall into the south park "truth in the middle" camp for a good bit in the 00's. my craving for raunchy late night cartoon have been taken over by rick and morty so i am cured unless next season have ric having monalogs about how trump should be leader. and on the subject of cartoons i was someone who hated HATED Lisa Simpson for being a vegetarian and the moth piece for left wing propaganda until i rewatched the older epasoides when i was grown and saw there was jokes that make fun of the right since season 1. now i kind of like lisa over bart. Zack Snyder owns I'm sorry you were born without eyes and taste.
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Cyron posted:also i thought D&D was the worst subforum on SA until i dive deeper into CD, people who think Zach synder is some hidden arthouse directer should be mocked just as bad as assholes in fedoras. D&D is better than 99% of internet message boards when it comes to political discussion. That's how bad most internet message boards are for discussing politics.
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When I was a really little kid I wanted to be some rich CEO or business person like that duck who swims in money on the TV and thought it was simple as working hard and being a tough but fair boss and just having a lust for profit. Probably been some stripe of socialist since my early teens and haven't really changed since. My peer group all got on the "new atheism" bandwagon in highschool and racist jokes were hilarious because we're in a post-racist world so we're actually just making fun of racism you see. Standard "if only SMART people were allowed to vote and run things and idiot religious sheeple had all their power reduced we'd be living in a utopia, why look at this chart showing how the CHRISTIAN DARK AGES reduced our technology output!"
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Race Realists posted:When you're an unhealthy unattractive single (read: lonely) male virgin nerd with absolutely ZERO life experiences, hearing about the pressures women go through to achieve some warped perception of beauty society put upon them, or really any sort of disadvantage, sends you into a frothing rage So, if an ugly guy can't get the girl he wants, and an ugly girl can't get the guy she wants... what's the solution?
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Freakazoid_ posted:So, if an ugly guy can't get the girl he wants, and an ugly girl can't get the guy she wants... what's the solution? Work out?
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Freakazoid_ posted:So, if an ugly guy can't get the girl he wants, and an ugly girl can't get the guy she wants... what's the solution? Have you tried sex tourism?
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doverhog posted:Have you tried sex tourism? Wasn't there a goon years back who got banned for earnestly suggesting this?
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Don't know, it's from the title of an EN thread.
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When I was younger I was in favor of the death penalty. My thinking was that there were certain people who did not belong here, even locked in a tiny windowless jail cell. In cases where there was overwhelming evidence and the crime was extreme enough. The death penalty seemed appropriate and justified. After some thoughtful discussion with a friend several years ago I understood that any mortal justice system is inherently flawed and the risk of executing innocent people far outweighs any closure an execution brings.
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As a quebecois i used to think canadian federalism was good until i learned abot our history and how much we get hosed over still to this day.
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Am I the only person here who used to be briefly antiabortion because of "THE BABIES"?
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Am I the only person here who used to be briefly antiabortion because of "THE BABIES"? I think I was, somewhat anyway. I kind of "defaulted" to that from being raised Catholic... ish and wherever else a teenager's opinions come from and I don't really remember what specifically would have changed my mind. Similarly, once opposing nuclear power and probably some other things. 
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crabcakes66 posted:When I was younger I was in favor of the death penalty. My thinking was that there were certain people who did not belong here, even locked in a tiny windowless jail cell. In cases where there was overwhelming evidence and the crime was extreme enough. The death penalty seemed appropriate and justified. Yeah the only real bad opinion I remember having (I'm sure there were a lot of milquetoast bad ones too but I was raised by left-leaning parents in a left-leaning community and never had a libertarian phase) is that some crimes just don't deserve to get the benefit of the doubt. I don't think I was on the death penalty wagon but I definitely liked to conveniently leave any crime that personally offended my left-leaning sensibilities out of the discussion when calling for prison reform. Like "sure we could spend $_dollars to work to reform rapists like we would other criminals in a proper justice system, but isn't rape actually EXTRA bad and we should probably just lock them up indefinitely instead?"
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Am I the only person here who used to be briefly antiabortion because of "THE BABIES"? I was firmly pro-life until I found out I was going to be a parent before graduating high school. Suggested abortion as an option, even though I was pro-life as hell. Realizing the contradiction made me understand how that's one hell of a choice to have legislated for you, or pre-determined as a matter of morals. Considering I believed it in lock-step, but couldn't hold the fort when it came to me, personally... I had to stop pretending for the first time in my life. It was hard, but I became a better adult for it, so there's that. Son was born, he's cool as hell (even have primary custody of him) and I'm glad his mom resisted, but I'm pro-choice on the principle that I can't make that call for anyone else. That also stands for the mother of my son, since I don't believe the father should have the ultimate decision for or against. TheFuglyStik fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Jun 20, 2016 |
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Why are women so upset they already get everything, feminism is tyranny!!!!! That was a fun couple of months. Having a bad break-up as a teenager leads to all sorts of delightful mental gymnastics.
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I watched 'Loose Change' as a 12 year old and was convinced that 9/11 was an inside job. Looking into the evidence quickly disauded this fortunately.
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I was a pretty heavily leftleaning person who thought capitalistic society was doomed to collapse and felt really bad about propping up big food corps by eating, like, anything. Not political, but I once thought all religions and ideas were either equally valid or at least worthy of respect. Then I met antivaxxers, creationists that were trying to influence my local school and islamists who basically supported 9/11 because their imams told them it was just and did not believe in evolution for the same bad reasons as the other creationists.
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During Obama's first run for office, I was teaching in a school with a large black population. My students were so excited about the election, even wearing those bling shirts with Obama on it. They wanted to know who I was voting for. I wouldn't tell them. Like a little shitbird, I wrote in Mitt Romney on my ballot because my conservative father told me to. When Obama won, I remember how my students celebrated. As demonstrated in this thread, it's not like teenagers are that trustworthy of political thought, but it was hard not to acknowledge the immediate positivity simply from Obama winning. I learned a lot in the following 4 years and enthusiastically voted not only for Obama the second term, but straight D ever after. It gave me a chuckle to see Romney on the ballot and not give him my vote that time. Republicans have literally nothing to offer that community, not even rhetorically. Why would I ever vote for them?
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Bast Relief posted:During Obama's first run for office, I was teaching in a school with a large black population. My students were so excited about the election, even wearing those bling shirts with Obama on it. They wanted to know who I was voting for. I wouldn't tell them. Like a little shitbird, I wrote in Mitt Romney on my ballot because my conservative father told me to. When Obama won, I remember how my students celebrated. As demonstrated in this thread, it's not like teenagers are that trustworthy of political thought, but it was hard not to acknowledge the immediate positivity simply from Obama winning. Its interesting that you got through college, graduate school, and entered into a pretty liberal profession, while still being conservative.
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Bast Relief posted:During Obama's first run for office, I was teaching in a school with a large black population. My students were so excited about the election, even wearing those bling shirts with Obama on it. They wanted to know who I was voting for. I wouldn't tell them. Like a little shitbird, I wrote in Mitt Romney on my ballot because my conservative father told me to. When Obama won, I remember how my students celebrated. As demonstrated in this thread, it's not like teenagers are that trustworthy of political thought, but it was hard not to acknowledge the immediate positivity simply from Obama winning. Is this the 2008 general or primary?
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Plenty of suit and tie GOP types wrote in Romney after McCain picked Palin.
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My first good political opinion was that weed should be legal.
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When I first started university in the 90s I joined the socialist worker party (aka "The trots"), mostly because they seemed to be the only group around happy to let me run about starting fist fights with neo-nazis. Then I realised it was just a bunch of sad old english men selling newspapers and pining for the days before thatcher wrecked poo poo back in the mother country. edit: ON THE SUBJECT of bad political opinions. I notice this behemoth of overheated nonsense turn up here and got promptly locked before I had a chance to make fun of the OP http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3777481 drat you mods, why must you spoil my fun 
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I was about 11 or 12 when Rush was coming up in a big way and I remember listening to him all the time with my dad and laughing at all his funny updates with the silly songs and stuff! Check out how much money they spent on studying the sex life of the tsetse fly! The day after Clinton was elected, I walked up to school and my favorite science teacher, an awesome dude, was outside. "Hey Jonny, how's it going?" "Terrible." "That's no good - why?" "Cause Clinton, UGH" and i stomped my little nerdy rear end into the school
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I was a college libertarian and McCain supporter. I did end up voting for Obama since McCain's campaign was a clusterfuck. Between the financial crisis and the fact I began to figure out libertarianism would only work if people had access to free education, housing and healthcare... It meant I was a lovely libertarian so I ditched it.
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Hitchens/Dawkins style neoconservatism. I was raised in a card-carrying, dues-paying secular humanist / atheist household ... and then 9/11 happened. But the disaster of the Iraq war and the total, crazy failure of the Bush administration's attempt to impose Western-style democracy on the Middle East made it obvious how stupid and criminal that whole enterprise was. And I had strayed a long way from humanism, which should emphasize tolerance and goodwill and not attempt to impose a particular value system on other people. Still an atheist. But I'm at serious odds with a lot of the atheist "movement" these days and particularly certain spokesmen who would ban hijabs and things like that if they could. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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I used to think criticising Islamic culture or doctrine was racist because a lot of Muslims have brown skin. Yes, I was that patronizing. I thought I had to coddle and infantilize them because I was riddled with white guilt. I didn't realize it at the time, but I was essentially operating as a defacto apologist for bronze age theocracy in the name of "multiculturalism". Luckily I've since learned that no, misogyny is wrong no matter what culture it is a part of. Muslims, being people too, have agency, and when they do something wrong like force their wife to cover her face for "modesty", I need to condemn that practice; just as I would if some backwoods Christian sect wanted to do such a thing. Holding Muslims to a different moral standard because they are "brown" would, in fact, be racist, and it's something I see lots of my fellow liberal leftists doing these days sadly  I came to this view, by the way, by following the work of Maajid Nawaz, who is an ex-jihadist-turned-liberal Muslim reformer... lest anyone think I'm a conservative crazy...
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Wikkheiser posted:And I had strayed a long way from humanism, which should emphasize tolerance and goodwill and not attempt to impose a particular value system on other people. The point, bucko, is that "western values" are actually "universal values". How you go about "imposing" universal values is a different question. Preferably not through violence.
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Secular Humanist posted:The point, bucko, is that "western values" are actually "universal values". How you go about "imposing" universal values is a different question. Preferably not through violence. Also since you mentioned Maajid Nawaz of Quilliam: quote:Quilliam opposed the extension of anti-terror laws, opposed banning Hizb ut-Tahrir in the UK in favour of challenging them to debate instead, at a time when government policy was officially to ban them, and has spoken out again and again on the Iraq war, torture and extraordinary rendition. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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Secular Humanist posted:The point, bucko, is that "western values" are actually "universal values". How you go about "imposing" universal values is a different question. Preferably not through violence. I used to think this and so supported the Iraq war as a teenager. I now realize that clannish, patriarchal societies do have their benefits and its presumptuous to expect that they want to subscribe to our values of confused sexualities, atomized consumerism and opioid addiction. So i went fro. A neoconservative to a Marxist and now i am an isolationist who has no interest in expending blood and treasure on exporting our values to the developing world nor importing their values and communities into the west.
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Secular Humanist posted:I used to think criticising Islamic culture or doctrine was racist because a lot of Muslims have brown skin. Yes, I was that patronizing. I thought I had to coddle and infantilize them because I was riddled with white guilt. I didn't realize it at the time, but I was essentially operating as a defacto apologist for bronze age theocracy in the name of "multiculturalism". I think the argument isn't so much "there is nothing wrong with Islam"; it's more that people notice those who spend a bunch of time criticizing Islam almost always do so disproportionately. When people talk (or write) it's not just important whether what they're saying is true or not; it's also important to look at how what they're saying fits into the broader context of the things they choose to talk about. So even though someone may be correct in saying "there are a lot of problems with fundamentalist Islam," the people who say that sort of thing often completely ignore (or only give a token mention to) other issues of equal importance with other cultures. Another point of contention is that people from your perspective usually argue that the problem stems from Islam/Islamic culture, while others believe that the root cause of certain behavior is far more complex and usually stems more from stuff like a country's geopolitical situation(,etc) than the religion itself.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Zack Snyder owns I'm sorry you were born without eyes and taste. Truly the worst opinion in this thread.
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As time goes on I'm increasingly inclined to credit Professor Obama for not committing to Syria any more than he has. I think this is probably a bad opinion because he probably would have committed troops had he any political capital left at all and It'll probably be a full blown occupation soon enough.
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Ian Winthorpe III posted:I used to think this and so supported the Iraq war as a teenager. I now realize that clannish, patriarchal societies do have their benefits and its presumptuous to expect that they want to subscribe to our values of confused sexualities, atomized consumerism and opioid addiction. So i went fro. A neoconservative to a Marxist and now i am an isolationist who has no interest in expending blood and treasure on exporting our values to the developing world nor importing their values and communities into the west. I don't think people's sexuality is less "confused" in different cultures, whatever the hell that means. Trying to repress sexuality doesn't make it go away, go look at the statistics on teenage births and STDs in the south.
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I volunteered for Ross Perot with my grandpa in 1992, mostly just gathering signatures and putting out yard signs. Fortunately I wasn't old enough to vote for him.
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glowing-fish posted:Its interesting that you got through college, graduate school, and entered into a pretty liberal profession, while still being conservative. Late reply, but I think I was just apolitical. I just figured my dad knew more than I did, being "fiscally conservative" sounded good without knowing what that means and I had no idea who anyone was, like Mitt for example. Dad said he was a good man. Okay then. I think I would have shifted liberal anyway just because of the influence of people in my profession and self centeredly because of being in the union. I think what actually hastened the shift was Fox News, believe it or not. They just seemed so outraged all the time I just couldn't stand it. Then I started actually listening to what they were saying and I didn't agree with any of it at all. Maybe I was a little too credulous of their economic stance for a little longer that I should have, but that too evaporated.
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