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I have never had bad political opinions. Even at my most ignorant and naive, i was pretty much correct about the world. As I am now. In other words, I have always been the correct-opinion-haver. Blue Star fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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Secular Humanist posted:bronze age Iron age.
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Aug 4, 2016 15:55
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Where does this Bronze Age stuff come from anyway? It's not only wrong for Islam, it's also more than 1000 years off for Christianity, not even recognizable forms of Judaism are that old. Yet for r/atheism types everything's always a "bronze age religion". Is it just the oldest period they know?
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Aug 4, 2016 16:30
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cebrail posted:Where does this Bronze Age stuff come from anyway? It's not only wrong for Islam, it's also more than 1000 years off for Christianity, not even recognizable forms of Judaism are that old. Yet for r/atheism types everything's always a "bronze age religion". Is it just the oldest period they know? Might be that because the Bronze Age covers a sometimes wildly differing range of dates depending on where the place you're covering is people get confused?
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Aug 4, 2016 16:42
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cebrail posted:Where does this Bronze Age stuff come from anyway? It's not only wrong for Islam, it's also more than 1000 years off for Christianity, not even recognizable forms of Judaism are that old. Yet for r/atheism types everything's always a "bronze age religion". Is it just the oldest period they know? "The history of Judaism spans more than 3,000 years.[14] Judaism has its roots as a structured religion in the Middle East during the Bronze Age.[15]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism
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Aug 4, 2016 17:46
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That doesn't contradict my post in any way, and it doesn't explain why anyone would call Christianity a bronze age religion. I know that you could call Judaism a bronze age religion if you use some mental gymnastics and consider ancient semitic polytheism "jewish".
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Aug 4, 2016 18:42
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Christianity is an iron age religion if you go by Finland's reckoning.
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Aug 4, 2016 18:50
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cebrail posted:That doesn't contradict my post in any way, and it doesn't explain why anyone would call Christianity a bronze age religion. I know that you could call Judaism a bronze age religion if you use some mental gymnastics and consider ancient semitic polytheism "jewish". Some parts of the Old Testament might be derived from stories dating back to the Bronze Age (or earlier) maybe. It's a stretch to make a rhetorical point. Admittedly a fairly stupid rhetorical point.
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Aug 5, 2016 11:35
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When I was trying to be edgy in 9th grade I uttered the following phrase: "Hitler was a terrible person, but he was a military genius." I thought this would impress a girl I knew for some reason. Her Jewish friend hit me with her Biology textbook. I deserved it.
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Aug 5, 2016 15:52
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I hated women and was very ironically racist. Then I had sex and all was well afterwards pretty much. A friend of mine who never had sex still holds those views, that is my evidence that sex makes you have Good Opinions. I do feel bad for young, impressionable goonlets who sign up nowadays without LF to hammer their ideals into shape.
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Aug 5, 2016 17:51
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nopantsjack posted:A friend of mine who never had sex still holds those views, that is my evidence that sex makes you have Good Opinions. I have a friend who may or may not hold terrible views towards women, and it's always been a Pandora's box of sorts that I don't want to open. I would rather live in ignorance of him possibly having terrible sexist opinions. I don't think it's likely exactly, but I would say there's maybe a 30-40% chance it's the case. For some background, this friend's only relationship experience consists of an online relationship with some woman he met on some forums. It was a very uncomfortable situation because I knew from very early on that there was a good reason this woman kept putting off meeting my friend in person, but my friend was in denial. She finally agrees to meet and he flies to where she lives, only to find out that her pictures were from like 10 years ago and she's very obese (my friend is actually a pretty tall completely normal/healthy looking guy). Somehow she convinces my friend to have sex (he was a virgin before), and he breaks up with her immediately after the end of the trip. Anyways, I worry that this situation may have spawned some terrible opinions on women in general. A lack of exposure to women seems to frequently result in some men treating them like a different species.
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Aug 5, 2016 19:09
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Ytlaya posted:Anyways, I worry that this situation may have spawned some terrible opinions on women in general. A lack of exposure to women seems to frequently result in some men treating them like a different species. That seems to be the case with most misogynists. How would they know any better? Hundreds of years of boys only clubs creates quite an echo chamber, and any horrible to mildly irritating action by a woman gets blown out of proportion into a stereotype and grounds for the establishment of societal norms if not legislation. Don't get me wrong, I have no sympathy for rear end holes now or back then.
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Aug 5, 2016 19:19
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I was pro forced cross racial marriage, i.e. White can't marry white because my parents told me that pure bred dogs were less healthy than mutts. besides my parents did it so it was obviously super easy and good to do so.
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Aug 5, 2016 19:19
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Barudak posted:I was pro forced cross racial marriage, i.e. White can't marry white because my parents told me that pure bred dogs were less healthy than mutts. besides my parents did it so it was obviously super easy and good to do so. That's a new one. Kudos to your younger self for being creative with his/her bad political opinions tho
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Aug 5, 2016 22:24
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Barudak posted:I was pro forced cross racial marriage, i.e. White can't marry white because my parents told me that pure bred dogs were less healthy than mutts. besides my parents did it so it was obviously super easy and good to do so. Did you ever think about how that would work given that there are many large geographical areas with like 90% white people, so you'd end up with the majority of people being unable to marry and have children? I'm curious about the logistics of this idea. Are people in majority white areas forcibly relocated to areas with more minorities?
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Aug 5, 2016 22:30
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i used to think everyone should forcibly be on birth control and that you'd have to take and pass a parenting examination before you gained a license to have children and your birth control removed i still think this is an excellent idea excepti freely admit there's no way to morally enforce such a law and it's entirely monstrous and impractical
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Aug 5, 2016 22:34
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Ytlaya posted:Did you ever think about how that would work given that there are many large geographical areas with like 90% white people, so you'd end up with the majority of people being unable to marry and have children? I'm curious about the logistics of this idea. Are people in majority white areas forcibly relocated to areas with more minorities? The geographical problem pales in comparison to the fact you'd need some kind of police state to enforce that even in mixed areas. Are the cops gonna kill you if you get together with your cute same race neighbour, or what?
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Aug 5, 2016 22:37
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i used to think everyone should forcibly be on birth control and that you'd have to take and pass a parenting examination before you gained a license to have children and your birth control removed I know otherwise intelligent biology professors/postdocs in their 30s who have said similar things to this, basically saying that dumb (read: poor) people should be sterilized and what have you. Basically people in general do not have much empathy for others.
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Aug 5, 2016 22:57
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Ytlaya posted:I know otherwise intelligent biology professors/postdocs in their 30s who have said similar things to this, basically saying that dumb (read: poor) people should be sterilized and what have you. i dont even think people should be sterilized, just some magical nonexistent quasipermanent birth control that can only be removed at a licensed fertility clinic. not even a eugenics thing for me like "dumb people shouldn't breed" because in my view intelligence is only loosely correlated at best with parenting skill but oh my god there are a lot of just terrible parents out there. anyone who advocates spanking their kids because they were spanked as children. rubbish
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Aug 5, 2016 22:59
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i dont even think people should be sterilized, just some magical nonexistent quasipermanent birth control that can only be removed at a licensed fertility clinic. not even a eugenics thing for me like "dumb people shouldn't breed" because in my view intelligence is only loosely correlated at best with parenting skill I think the problem is that, in practice, approval for becoming a parent would become strongly linked with factors like race and income (due to the fact that people, with all their biases, would be the ones running such a system).
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Aug 5, 2016 23:04
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yeah totally, it's a completely impractical idea that would not work in any way in reality. still a great idea in magical theoryland where we all have a mincome and live in space colonies
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Aug 5, 2016 23:07
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Ytlaya posted:Did you ever think about how that would work given that there are many large geographical areas with like 90% white people, so you'd end up with the majority of people being unable to marry and have children? I'm curious about the logistics of this idea. Are people in majority white areas forcibly relocated to areas with more minorities? So obviously I was a kid and didn't really grasp the fullness of the situation. I do know that I grew up at the time in an extremely minority heavy neighborhood comprised of mainly AA/Hispanic with a small smattering of white people so I definitely didn't realize that the idea of a single-ethnicity neighborhood was like even a thing. I did think about how there probably weren't enough white people in my neighborhood, but if they bus kids for school they could bus white people in from somewhere else and everybody liked busing, right? Honestly, my upbringing in an ardent communist/ethnic mutt/primary language not native to my parents backgrounds household resulted in a loooooot of weird ideas for me as a kid, not even politically motivated. Like, I was convinced that all children spoke Spanish and when you became an adult you learned English and from then on you only ever used Spanish to talk with children.
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Aug 5, 2016 23:14
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Popular Thug Drink posted:yeah totally, it's a completely impractical idea that would not work in any way in reality. still a great idea in magical theoryland where we all have a mincome and live in space colonies On a similar note, I was convinced when I was young that building a space elevator was the best thing humanity could possibly be doing with its time and money. Surely we'd all cooperate and realize that it would accelerate materials science, plus it would be such an investment that no one would dare want to mess it up. You just need a bunch of largely undeveloped land on the equator, like The Congo... Wait, gently caress.
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Aug 5, 2016 23:14
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I used to think similarly when I was a kid, but now I think making birth control free if not at least cheap would do so many good things aside from preventing kids being born in a crappy situation. IUDs are great, long term, and don't require remembering to take one. After having one I felt like everyone should have this option, but drat they are expensive and not covered.
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Aug 5, 2016 23:19
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I used to be part of that "gently caress yeah science" crowd to the point that I thought political problems could be solved with gadgets and gizmos Then college happened thankfully
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Aug 6, 2016 04:22
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ThaumPenguin posted:That's a new one. Paraguay actually tried that out in the early 1800s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Gaspar_Rodr%C3%ADguez_de_Francia#Political_career
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Aug 6, 2016 07:03
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I basically said in my HS Junior History research paper that "Hiroshima/Nagasaki were pretty loving awful and set the stage for a generation of fear, but think of all the lives saved because the Japanese were totally savage fighters to the man that would've killed tons of are troops!" Thank gently caress I never got directly into Ayn Rand until I'd read about objectivism (and how much of a crock of poo poo it is).
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Aug 6, 2016 08:24
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I was a communist and a socialist as a teenager because hey, it'd be cool if we all got together and redistributed wealth so there would be no poverty. Was very anti-establishment and down with the man and boo Capitalism. Then I got a job, talked to people from actual Communist country and all around just grew up.
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Aug 6, 2016 09:21
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Archer666 posted:I was a communist and a socialist as a teenager because hey, it'd be cool if we all got together and redistributed wealth so there would be no poverty. Was very anti-establishment and down with the man and boo Capitalism. Lol yes the responsible people in the room support capitalism, which has worked out so well for the long-term sustainability of human life on the planet.
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Aug 6, 2016 09:27
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When I was in middle school I thought at least slavery was better than living in Africa (to be fair to myself, all I knew of Africa was those starving children charity commercials).
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Aug 6, 2016 10:38
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nelson posted:When I was in middle school I thought at least slavery was better than living in Africa (to be fair to myself, all I knew of Africa was those starving children charity commercials). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Pkt3W25I4 gotta love randy newman
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Aug 6, 2016 11:52
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I was heavily into LF/WDDP/Tumblr SJ so I got pretty... passionate when it comes to those issues. I've calmed down a bit now and realise that people are sensitive babies and don't react well to being insulted.
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Aug 6, 2016 13:32
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nelson posted:When I was in middle school I thought at least slavery was better than living in Africa (to be fair to myself, all I knew of Africa was those starving children charity commercials). In the 80s (when I was in elementary school), pretty much all I knew of the rest of a lot of the world was from poverty porn like that, so I thought outside of the US, it was mostly slums, with Europe being the one exception. I think a lot of Americans that should know better still have that idea in their head. Currently, I've been living in a country (Chile) that kind of straddles the line between an advanced developing nation, and a poor developed nation. Its certainly been interesting to see a country that can be very modern, but still has a lot of poverty.
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Aug 6, 2016 14:25
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Archer666 posted:I was a communist and a socialist as a teenager because hey, it'd be cool if we all got together and redistributed wealth so there would be no poverty. Was very anti-establishment and down with the man and boo Capitalism. Lol I have a job too and still support communism I'm also a college student so what do I know right?
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Aug 6, 2016 16:57
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Bast Relief posted:That seems to be the case with most misogynists. How would they know any better? Hundreds of years of boys only clubs creates quite an echo chamber, and any horrible to mildly irritating action by a woman gets blown out of proportion into a stereotype and grounds for the establishment of societal norms if not legislation. To be fair, how you were raised can breed this kind of thinking. I grew up in an immigrant family that considers academic achievements to be the end all be all of human existence. Women and romance might as well have been alien species. My folks did teach me some things about safe sex and consent, but they drilled this idea into my head that if I focus on my education, I'll be rich and successful, then women would be all over me! (I see several problems with this.) Add to that dating being a loving shark tank, the apathy of internet anonymity, and most online dating advice being reliant on anecdotes, and appeals to wishful thinking and you get internet misogynists. Don't get me wrong, they are complete assholes who are at fault for their situations, but at the same time I can sympathize from time to time. Anyway, bad political opinion: I was against the legalization of marijuana due to a religious upbringing. Then I started hanging out with the alt kids. I don't smoke anymore, but I am in full support of legal ganja.
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Aug 6, 2016 23:15
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Archer666 posted:I was a communist and a socialist as a teenager because hey, it'd be cool if we all got together and redistributed wealth so there would be no poverty. Was very anti-establishment and down with the man and boo Capitalism. lmao
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Aug 6, 2016 23:46
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did you know the inventor of communism was not only a grown-up, but an old guy he had an enormous beard and everything
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Aug 6, 2016 23:50
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:did you know the inventor of communism was not only a grown-up, but an old guy He was an unemployed dude who couch-surfed at his friend's place for years, though. Couldn't even keep hold of his nationality, smh.
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Aug 6, 2016 23:58
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ThaumPenguin posted:He was an unemployed dude who couch-surfed at his friend's place for years, though. I almost took this bait
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:Lol I have a job too and still support communism Communism looked a lot more attractive to me once I found myself working a job where my average weekly revenue generation for the company was larger than my annual wage.
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