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Jintor
May 19, 2014

first lesson: trick the gently caress out of your tank's suspension
second lesson: bring a steering wheel

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Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

This months PSN+ for the japanese PSN includes a Girls und Panzer theme for the PS4:






Knorth
Aug 19, 2014

Buglord

:3:

I want a creditless version of that montage

Daedalus1134
Sep 14, 2005

They see me rollin'


Bernie Saunders will make Senshado real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LAL4Tf6-2k

Jintor
May 19, 2014

man i hope someone redoes that hell march amv and adds movie footage to it

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Kyte posted:

https://vimeo.com/169576522
They're intense about loving everything. TOTSUGEKI

The same person also translated the audios for the others. I super feel bad for Continuation's team in that their Commander is ultra cryptic in an almost airheaded way.

Edit: Also, holy poo poo Rose Hip needs to have some of her family move out. 18 people at a single table is too much and Darjeeling shouldn't tease her. Other edit, Clara is Nonna only more Russian

Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Jun 7, 2016

Jintor
May 19, 2014

Soooo the Little Army II manga is okay? Seems to actually be set after GuP 1 (and the movie I guess?) and actually kinda has a cool cast of characters? Moves waaaay too fast though.

Ribbon Mushi also good, if crazy. Probably a bit too crazy.

Jintor fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Jun 7, 2016

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





So during the TV series they watched Kelly's Heroes, but what was the video we saw a few seconds in the film?

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004


Grimey Drawer

Smoking Crow posted:

An extremely prestigious high school that follow the Nishizumi school of tank warfare. What does this mean? I'm not sure.

What is the Nishizumi school, you ask?








https://twitter.com/irodoliszt_pitt/status/677835845710180353



Jintor
May 19, 2014

ribbon mushi just straight up makes up schools! Tategoto is a Burmese school apparently. No idea what they're driving but they get #rekt by Poland immediately.

Jintor
May 19, 2014

Arbite posted:

So during the TV series they watched Kelly's Heroes, but what was the video we saw a few seconds in the film?

Apparently they're watching 1941 by Spielberg?



/edit Found it!

(This entire scene is Dan Ackroyd inciting the crowd against "The Japs". Lmao)

it's also the inspiration for the ferris wheel attack!

Jintor fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jun 7, 2016

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

That's pretty great.

Magni
Apr 29, 2009

Jintor posted:

Is that a specialist GuP mag/info book or is it a bunch of pages out of a weekly/monthly mag or something?

/edit oh man, Magnoit's performance is really depressing given the spin-off manga... they could be the protags of their own series, but got knocked out in the first round by Anzio, the other povo team

Actually that's kind of amazing because Anzio's offensive capabilities are really low and Magnoit's a defence specialist, even with the new commander trying to shift priorities over to mobile warfare. I'd love to hear about that match someday.

Someone on 4chan actually did translate the info on that. Anzio were fielding three Semovente and the tankette swarm, the P40 wasn't ready yet. They baited out Maginot with one Semovente and the tankettes and caused their flag tank (the Char 2B) to fall behind the mob chase, which allowed the other two Semoventes to flank and kill it. Only one tank got killed in the entire match, but it was apparently still rated amongst the most entertaining and close matchups in the first round.

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



Binge watched the series last night and enjoyed it a whole bunch. I'll probably watch the Anzio OVA and der Film tonight.

If there's one thing I took away from the Black Forest battle, it's that I wish the Porsche-Tiger had a turbo boost in War Thunder :black101:

Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 7, 2016

Zettace
Nov 30, 2009
I rewatched the first few episodes of the series and I forgot how socially awkward Miho was. Stuff like "I memorized the full names of everyone in our class as well as their birthdays just incase they wanted to be friends with me" and her surprise at people talking to her as well having to draw out the courage to invite Akiyama to their group.

Basically, Saori is the true savoir of the school by bring the main group together.

Also, when Miho wakes up at the start of the first episode you see her jump out of bed and rush to make her bed and change into her uniform, military style (because that's probably what she had to do at home). After watching the series it's pretty interesting to see the importance of scenes like these.

Zettace fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jun 7, 2016

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this

Xelkelvos posted:

The same person also translated the audios for the others. I super feel bad for Continuation's team in that their Commander is ultra cryptic in an almost airheaded way.

Edit: Also, holy poo poo Rose Hip needs to have some of her family move out. 18 people at a single table is too much and Darjeeling shouldn't tease her. Other edit, Clara is Nonna only more Russian

Yeah I linked them before but come to think of it that was in the other thread so might as well post'em again.
https://vimeo.com/169325220https://vimeo.com/169329468https://vimeo.com/169316492

Zettace posted:

I rewatched the first few episodes of the series and I forgot how socially awkward Miho was. Stuff like "I memorized the full names of everyone in our class as well as their birthdays just incase they wanted to be friends with me" and her surprise at people talking to her as well having to draw out the courage to invite Akiyama to their group.

Basically, Saori is the true savoir of the school by bring the main group together.

Also, when Miho wakes up at the start of the first episode you see her jump out of bed and rush to make her bed and change into her uniform, military style (because that's probably what she had to do at home). After watching the series it's pretty interesting to see the importance of scenes like these.
What's interesting is that despite that social awkwardness she was apparently very highly valued in the Black Forest team as she was vice-commander and as such in charge of coordinating everyone. Maybe she just had no idea how to meet new people 'cause Maho was always around to introduce her.
(Maybe her job at delivering orders is why she takes care to learn everyone's name. Who knows)

Kyte fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jun 7, 2016

Katreus
May 31, 2011

You and I both know this is silly, but this is the biggest women's sporting event in the world. Let's try to make the most of it, shall we?

Jintor posted:

Is that a specialist GuP mag/info book or is it a bunch of pages out of a weekly/monthly mag or something?

IIRC, it's a bunch of pages out of some weekly/monthly mag.

Kyte posted:

I kinda wanna see a battle before Miho left KMM because the team sounds scary af. It also better explains why in the series KMM fell apart so easily. Not only was their combat doctrine inflexible, they'd just lost a key element to their teamwork.

Same!

Arbite posted:

So during the TV series they watched Kelly's Heroes, but what was the video we saw a few seconds in the film?

Jintor posted:

Apparently they're watching 1941 by Spielberg?

...

it's also the inspiration for the ferris wheel attack!

"Operation Mifune" refers to Toshiro Mifune, one of the actors in the film! He portrays a Japanese officer of the submarine and orders the firing on the ferris wheel, which ends up rolling into the ocean.

Kyte posted:

What's interesting is that despite that social awkwardness she was apparently very highly valued in the Black Forest team as she was vice-commander and as such in charge of coordinating everyone. Maybe she just had no idea how to meet new people 'cause Maho was always around to introduce her.
(Maybe her job at delivering orders is why she takes care to learn everyone's name. Who knows)

Well, meeting people socially as friends is different than interacting with people in a more business setting (which senshado almost is for her pre-Ooarai). And in Little Army 1, she said she never really made friends because they couldn't relate to her and senshado. That's why Emi and Co. were a big deal for her.

So, I haven't read the manga version of the GUP anime - and I'm not sure how canon it is given that the animators feel free to disregard it (see Anzio battle) - but I've heard other people who've read it comment that Miho was apparently the glue of the team and that morale crashed when she left. Maho had to spend time rebuilding the morale of KMM. (That was also part of why Erika was mad at Miho.)

One other thing I've seen around:

We know that Miho used to run in a Tiger 1 with 217 markings. Maho, of course, runs 212. But when Erika is promoted to vice commander, she gets a Tiger 2 instead of the 217 markings. In fact, KMM doesn't seem to field it at all.

The suggestion is that Maho was holding off on using 217 just in case Miho came back, essentially holding the tank for her.

Katreus fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jun 10, 2016

filthychimp
Jan 2, 2006
Damned dirty ape

Zettace posted:

I rewatched the first few episodes of the series and I forgot how socially awkward Miho was. Stuff like "I memorized the full names of everyone in our class as well as their birthdays just incase they wanted to be friends with me" and her surprise at people talking to her as well having to draw out the courage to invite Akiyama to their group.

Basically, Saori is the true savoir of the school by bring the main group together.

Also, when Miho wakes up at the start of the first episode you see her jump out of bed and rush to make her bed and change into her uniform, military style (because that's probably what she had to do at home). After watching the series it's pretty interesting to see the importance of scenes like these.

Upon rewatching, I was pretty struck by the fact it made a lot of sense for Maho and their mother to treat Miho so coldly. After the river incident, they probably had a huge fight that ended with Miho quitting senshado forever, and her asking to be transferred to Oarai so she wouldn't have to play tanks anymore.

And then the next time they see her, Miho has started her own senshado team, but with blackjack and hookers. It makes Miho look spiteful and tired of living in her sister's shadow, and we know that's not true at all.

What I'm saying is, the Nishizumi style isn't big on communication.

filthychimp fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jun 8, 2016

Jintor
May 19, 2014

filthychimp posted:

What I'm saying is, the Nishizumi style isn't big on communication.

wouldn't charging forward without looking back by making your own senshado team be pretty much the essence of the nishizumi style

Katreus
May 31, 2011

You and I both know this is silly, but this is the biggest women's sporting event in the world. Let's try to make the most of it, shall we?

filthychimp posted:

Upon rewatching, I was pretty struck by the fact it made a lot of sense for Maho and their mother to treat Miho so coldly. After the river incident, they probably had a huge fight that ended with Miho quitting senshado forever, and her asking to be transferred to Oarai so she wouldn't have to play tanks anymore.

And then the next time they see her, Miho has started her own senshado team, but with blackjack and hookers. It makes Miho look spiteful and tired of living in her sister's shadow, and we know that's not true at all.

Given Little Army 1...

TBH, she's always been in her sister's shadow for Shiho though. (Maho has never thought this though.) It doesn't seem like Shiho's ever really liked Miho's sense for senshado because Miho's struggled with the Nishizumi style of win at all costs since the very beginning and Shiho's known this. See: Miho questioning Shiho re: shooting down an enemy flag tank rushing to rescue a tank on Maho's side that was in trouble and Shiho's response.

Maho treats her coldly because she has to uphold being the perfect heir / 'face' for the Nishizumi style. Shiho just treats Miho badly because she fundamentally disagrees with Miho's style of senshado and thinks of it as a farce and by extension, Miho.

There was some discussion that with Maho's declaration in LA1, Miho willingly following Maho into KMM probably made Maho feel really ambivalent. What was the point of being the perfect heir so that Miho could live freely and develop her own senshado if Miho doesn't actually take advantage of said freedom? OTOH, of course, Maho loves Miho and I imagine she does enjoy having Miho at / on her side and doing senshado together.

She's probably still ambivalent re: Ooarai, but the final where Miho showed off her senshado style and won with it? That's exactly what Maho sacrified so much for. It's a personal win for her.


Edit: First episode has some really strange lines though that makes Maho and KMM look a lot worse than they are, especially given the revelations later on re: Miho's importance to KMM's team. Specifically, that her mother and sister just expected her to go into senshado, that this is the first time someone cared about her feelings, and that she doesn't really have good memories of senshado. The last one is probably just the end of the KMM final and fallout overwhelming any good memories, but the rest...

The almost crippling lack of self-confidence is both expected given Shiho's probable disposition toward Miho but also really strange when fit in with other information and Miho's battle performance.

Katreus fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jun 8, 2016

Jintor
May 19, 2014

her entire team shamed her afterwards as well didn't they? And if last year's tournament was the same as this year's, the finals against Pravda would've taken place at the end of the year (since The Movie appears to take place during a school break, and they mention that they wish they at least got the time until April when the school year actually ends for the 3rd years to graduate). Miho only transferred at the beginning of the new school year, so she would've had a full semester of basically being ignored/shamed.

Daxing Dan
Apr 2, 2015

Damn it, why it does need to remain only four bullets!?
https://vimeo.com/169817117
https://vimeo.com/169817340


The others were posted in the thread already, so here's the last two tracks from the 5th Girls und Panzer drama CD. They feature Oarai and the University team, respectively.

Zettace
Nov 30, 2009

Jintor posted:

her entire team shamed her afterwards as well didn't they? And if last year's tournament was the same as this year's, the finals against Pravda would've taken place at the end of the year (since The Movie appears to take place during a school break, and they mention that they wish they at least got the time until April when the school year actually ends for the 3rd years to graduate). Miho only transferred at the beginning of the new school year, so she would've had a full semester of basically being ignored/shamed.

The High School tournament seems to take place between April (start of the school year) and July. If the finals were at the end of the year then the 3rd years would have graduated by the time the movie happens. The movie takes place during summer vacation in late July-August as we get the comments on the heat as well as Summer vacation homework. That is unless last year's tournament was held later in the year or there are multiple tournaments throughout the year.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004


Grimey Drawer
As great as Chi-ha-tan and Continuation are, I think my favorite new movie character has to be Rosehip.

I just like the idea that in the high class british school where nobody ever spills their tea, even in the midst of battle, there is that one girl who is in a constant state of always spilling.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Bakanogami posted:

As great as Chi-ha-tan and Continuation are, I think my favorite new movie character has to be Rosehip.

I just like the idea that in the high class british school where nobody ever spills their tea, even in the midst of battle, there is that one girl who is in a constant state of always spilling.

Rose Hip should totally be a Blue Collar type complete with London Blitz-esque habits.

I'm also not quite sure how I feel about three colleged aged girls getting drunk while trying to get to know their elementary(?) school aged Commander in an almost obsessive way.

Edit: I also saw the Love Live audio dramas and am obliged to listen to them now. Thanks Daxing Dan

Jintor
May 19, 2014

Zettace posted:

The High School tournament seems to take place between April (start of the school year) and July. If the finals were at the end of the year then the 3rd years would have graduated by the time the movie happens. The movie takes place during summer vacation in late July-August as we get the comments on the heat as well as Summer vacation homework. That is unless last year's tournament was held later in the year or there are multiple tournaments throughout the year.

Hmm, I think you're correct; Japanese shows usually make a big deal about Winter and the New Year, and Miho definitely transferred in at the beginning of the new school term, so the first tournament must've just been during the first school semester.

I guess that makes it worse; two full semesters of getting #rekt at Kuromori

Xelkelvos posted:

I'm also not quite sure how I feel about three colleged aged girls getting drunk while trying to get to know their elementary(?) school aged Commander in an almost obsessive way.

Edit: I also saw the Love Live audio dramas and am obliged to listen to them now. Thanks Daxing Dan

I was kinda annoyed their design aesthetic is almost exactly the same as every other high school girl in the series...

anyway, tell me about love live and tanks

Jintor fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Jun 8, 2016

Katreus
May 31, 2011

You and I both know this is silly, but this is the biggest women's sporting event in the world. Let's try to make the most of it, shall we?

Xelkelvos posted:

Rose Hip should totally be a Blue Collar type complete with London Blitz-esque habits.

I thought she basically is? In the sound drama, it's noted she's always running around, her family is poor, and she has 18 siblings (?!) or something like that. But she really tries to match up with the others re: grace / manners (to... misc. effect) and looks up to Darjeeling.

quote:

I'm also not quite sure how I feel about three colleged aged girls getting drunk while trying to get to know their elementary(?) school aged Commander in an almost obsessive way.

Well, it's the same as how some people treat Maho. Given that they call her mom the Master, they're probably also Shimada-ryu students so they'd look up to her, especially since Alice is basically a genius. But yeah, it's a little... much. Alice is 12 IIRC so she's middle school. :v:

Edit:

Jintor posted:

her entire team shamed her afterwards as well didn't they? And if last year's tournament was the same as this year's, the finals against Pravda would've taken place at the end of the year (since The Movie appears to take place during a school break, and they mention that they wish they at least got the time until April when the school year actually ends for the 3rd years to graduate). Miho only transferred at the beginning of the new school year, so she would've had a full semester of basically being ignored/shamed.

Did they? IIRC, it was mentioned (maybe in the manga or LN version?) that KMM has strict regulations re: bullying, but that 3/4 crew members that Miho saved were ostracized and eventually transferred or otherwise left the school and senshado such that Miho felt she failed at protecting them.

Not sure if KMM would actually shame their vice commander...? Especially if she was the one that KMM crew felt most close to and of course, she's a Nishizumi. Maybe they just tried to ignore and skirt the whole conversation out of politeness and it ended up making Miho feel alienated and alone - that KMM didn't agree with her decision at all.

Katreus fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Jun 8, 2016

Jintor
May 19, 2014

No Anzio drama track? Boooooo

/edit also it just occured to me that the Senshado teams for the other schools may as well be their student councils. Well, it is a world obsessed with tanks...

Jintor fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Jun 8, 2016

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
I always thought the family conflict with Miho was one of the dumber points of the series. I understand the "victory at all costs" thing that the Nishizumi school has going, but in sport competition even that attitude should never extend to not helping competitors whose lives are in immediate danger. Given that senshado is a national sport managed by a regulatory agency, I really can't imagine it would be good PR for the Nishizumi school if they won a match by allowing several student athletes to drown or nearly drown without making an effort to assist them.

Basically it makes Miho's mom look stupid as hell rather than ruthless and uncompromising.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
From what I read of the manga it was super weird about that as well, even outside of their worse interpretation of the Anzio match. Like there was something in there IIRC about how if she had lost to Pravda the mother would've literally disowned her, and even then the mother didn't have the guts to tell that to her face and instead sent their maid as a proxy or something. Was kind of hosed up!

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
Seriously, I'd like to see a what-if scenario if Miho hadn't done what she had done and instead acted "properly".

"Good job, my daughter, I'm proud of you for obeying orders and winning the match. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to attend a meeting with the association discussing the lifting of the senshado league suspension on Black Forest. After that we can sit down and have a team meeting to discuss how to recruit new members for the senshado team after our entire existing squad left the team at the demand of their parents after two students drowned and one ended up in the hospital. See you later, dear."

Katreus
May 31, 2011

You and I both know this is silly, but this is the biggest women's sporting event in the world. Let's try to make the most of it, shall we?

Kanos posted:

I always thought the family conflict with Miho was one of the dumber points of the series. I understand the "victory at all costs" thing that the Nishizumi school has going, but in sport competition even that attitude should never extend to not helping competitors whose lives are in immediate danger. Given that senshado is a national sport managed by a regulatory agency, I really can't imagine it would be good PR for the Nishizumi school if they won a match by allowing several student athletes to drown or nearly drown without making an effort to assist them.

Basically it makes Miho's mom look stupid as hell rather than ruthless and uncompromising.

Well, I disagree with Shiho's philosophy, but it's not wrong per se. Players play, competitors compete, the ref refs. Everyone focuses on their own job. People in RL have scored while other players have been down on the ground in pain or even really injured. The onus is on the referee to stop the match and rescue crew equivalents to save competitors.

If someone were to be seriously injured in a match, it's the league and officials who would be blamed, not the high school competitors. Maybe the association passes more stringent regulations, prohibiting tanks from competing in a typhoon or heavy rainstorms.

Play to the whistle. People stopping in matches voluntarily is nice but it's not expected. In fact, Katyusha wasn't punished for her actions in penning a tank who had basically stopped to go save another tank. She was promoted to commander.

Its not like Shiho said to cheat or ignore the match officials. If they pause the match, then by all means, help out.

Re: disinheritance - In the anime, it was said straight out that Shiho was only attending the Pravda match to tell Miho she's being disinherited. That's part of why Maho was seemingly uncharacteristically being very outspoken about how good of a commander she thinks Miho is.

So... in a way, the anime is worse? Shiho isn't even giving Miho a chance to change Shiho's decision.

Katreus fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jun 8, 2016

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

lol i just read the original thread first five pages and they are insanely full of aids

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Katreus posted:

Well, I disagree with Shiho's philosophy, but it's not wrong per se. Players play, competitors compete, the ref refs. Everyone focuses on their own job. People in RL have scored while other players have been down on the ground in pain or even really injured. The onus is on the referee to stop the match and rescue crew equivalents to save competitors.

If someone were to be seriously injured in a match, it's the league and officials who would be blamed, not the high school competitors. Maybe the association passes more stringent regulations, prohibiting tanks from competing in a typhoon or heavy rainstorms.

Play to the whistle. People stopping in matches voluntarily is nice but it's not expected. In fact, Katyusha wasn't punished for her actions in penning a tank who had basically stopped to go save another tank. She was promoted to commander.

Its not like Shiho said to cheat or ignore the match officials. If they pause the match, then by all means, help out.

Re: disinheritance - In the anime, it was said straight out that Shiho was only attending the Pravda match to tell Miho she's being disinherited. That's part of why Maho was seemingly uncharacteristically being very outspoken about how good of a commander she thinks Miho is.

So... in a way, the anime is worse? Shiho isn't even giving Miho a chance to change Shiho's decision.

I understand what you're saying here, but the situation as depicted was a "holy poo poo, that tank just went into deep water and is sinking insanely rapidly while the crew can't seem to escape". They seem to rely on aerial observation for referee stuff and there's definitely some serious lag time there, which could be pretty easily the difference between the crew being fine, seriously injured, or even dead. It's not quite the same as a soccer or baseball match where a referee is on the field to immediately stop play and first responders are standing by in seconds if someone is injured.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Pravda taking advantage of Miho's compassion, because as you say, play to the whistle. I just think that even for a ruthless winner Shiho's attitude to her daughter is utterly absurd. Even if the school and league were cleared of any wrongdoing in the event that somebody got hurt, the sport would have had its prestige damaged pretty badly if a match turned up a bunch of drowned high school girls, and I seriously doubt Black Forest's senshado team would have an easy time getting parents to agree to let their kids compete.

Zettace
Nov 30, 2009
Considering how many commanders stick their head out of the cupola and the allowance of machine guns during matches, the death rate of senshado is probably already a none zero number :v:

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
it's ok the guns don't shoot people

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

Zettace posted:

Considering how many commanders stick their head out of the cupola and the allowance of machine guns during matches, the death rate of senshado is probably already a none zero number :v:

Pfft, girls in panzers are too strong to be killed by bullets

this allusion meant
Apr 9, 2006
they drove through a crowded shopping area where the assumptions that high school athletes would never break a rule in the heat of competition and that structural columns on walking platforms are actually designed with 250x safety factor were all that prevented mass bystander death. the pretense that senshado could possibly be safe in any way is one of the series's funniest jokes

Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

I can make you
worth your weight
in gold!
What makes Yukari so great is her pure-hearted sincerity. Her love of tanks, her loyalty and respect for Miho, and her overall enthusiasm for everything are all so heartfelt and unclouded by any sort of pretension, that it makes her such a great, lovable character.

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MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer
I love GuP but goddammit I want my Cold War sequel. Imagine all the kickass battles but with ATGMs.

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