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Civ V got it correct that there are three pillars of political ideology - Liberalism, Socialism/Communism and Nationalism/Fascism. This is enlightening because it allows one to think in three dimensions - not the two dimensions of that dumb social vs economic liberty graph, and certainly not the one-dimensional thinking that describes everything as "leftwing" or else "rightwing". "Conservative" is not the opposite of Liberal; Western conservatives are merely old-fashioned adherents to Liberal ideology. What it got wrong was positing that the three ideologies are opposed. In fact, they are complementary, like colors. Man must have freedom, man must have bread, and man must have meaning. A child must learn to share, to fight and to be himself. Liberalism lets a man breathe free and be creative, but he cannot do that without equality and Socialism. Socialism requires a New Man, but only Fascism can create the New Man. This unity-of-three-vectors-of-being even shows up in the trinitary gods of PIE cultures. A mere liberal is a degenerate. A mere fascist is a brute. A mere socialist is a drone. A man who is all three is a whole person. Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. E Pluribus Unum. Western Civilization is built on these three pillars.
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can i still make Gandhi a homicidal warlord
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Maoist Pussy posted:Civ V got it correct that there are three pillars of political ideology - Liberalism, Socialism/Communism and Nationalism/Fascism. This is enlightening because it allows one to think in three dimensions - not the two dimensions of that dumb social vs economic liberty graph, and certainly not the one-dimensional thinking that describes everything as "leftwing" or else "rightwing". "Conservative" is not the opposite of Liberal; Western conservatives are merely old-fashioned adherents to Liberal ideology. didnt read dsummarize it
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Jun 8, 2016 08:18
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symbolic posted:can i still make Gandhi a homicidal warlord He's already got his finger on that button.
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Jun 8, 2016 08:27
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symbolic posted:can i still make Gandhi a homicidal warlord i heard apparently there was a trait in the ai scripting for how likely to use nukes a leader was, and they screwed up a decimal place in civ 1. since then they made ghandi quick to lob ICBMs as an easter egg.
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Jun 8, 2016 08:28
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is there not a third way
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Jun 8, 2016 08:29
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The OP is a National Socialist.
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Jun 8, 2016 08:34
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Actually, I favor a balance. A harmony between Liberalism, Fascism and Socialism.
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Jun 8, 2016 08:36
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Otisburg posted:i heard apparently there was a trait in the ai scripting for how likely to use nukes a leader was, and they screwed up a decimal place in civ 1. since then they made ghandi quick to lob ICBMs as an easter egg. Almost, "war monger" was an AI trait, and like all traits in Civ 1 it went from 0-10 where 0 was the least war mongering, Gandhi was set to 0. These traits could change as you played though, and if you then did something to make Gandhi less of a war monger, the scale looped around, from 0 to 10 and then Gandhi went all nuke happy.
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Jun 8, 2016 08:42
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nah i already heard you say things like 'such and such group of people are degenerates and should be rounded up and killed" i already heard you talking of these things and self identifying as fascist you cant trick me. did you have a political epiphany while playing civ V hehehe
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Farmland Park posted:Almost, "war monger" was an AI trait, and like all traits in Civ 1 it went from 0-10 where 0 was the least war mongering, Gandhi was set to 0. These traits could change as you played though, and if you then did something to make Gandhi less of a war monger, the scale looped around, from 0 to 10 and then Gandhi went all nuke happy.
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Jun 8, 2016 08:45
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glad they got one thing right
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Jun 8, 2016 08:45
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The epiphany actually started with art history. Fascism is, ultimately, an aesthetic stance.
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Jun 8, 2016 08:46
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What about retardism, it's the new hip thing on the US political scene?
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Jun 8, 2016 09:00
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beefy bitchism
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Jun 8, 2016 09:13
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Autism is the hot new -ism spreading through the world.
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Jun 8, 2016 09:30
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I get all my political ideas from video games as well.
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Jun 8, 2016 09:40
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Fascism is a lot of fun in Civ because you get a poo poo tonne of troops and your society is all of a sudden super, super happy 
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Jun 8, 2016 10:06
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But wasn't Hitler socialist and Stalin fascist 
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Jun 8, 2016 10:09
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Alpha Centauri is way better.
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Mmm, yes, a hybrid fascism/communism/capitalism build. Cool. We'll pick all the best talents from each tree and skip all the filler. I'm sorry D&D probated you for your enlightened videogame politics, OP.
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Jun 8, 2016 10:38
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in civ 5 for a pittance you can convince all your rivals to keep fighting pointless wars with each other while you become the undisputed world super power so maybe it's right about a few things
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Jun 8, 2016 10:43
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PS: Please think about your posting gimmick. You're just kind of all over the place and it's not really credible. You can't be broken in that many different, nearly unrelated ways. Please narrow it down to two or three like the rest of us.
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Jun 8, 2016 10:48
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Everything I know I learned from video games
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Jun 8, 2016 10:52
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if it wasn't an event chain in europa universalis 2 I don't know about it e: if it was an event chain in Victoria i might have heard of it
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Jun 8, 2016 11:06
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according to op's rap sheet fascism is against the rules of this website, but I checked the actual rules and it isnt?
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Jun 8, 2016 12:31
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Late game is so fun. I'm usually so far ahead of everyone else I just nuke literally everyone else on earth while cackling maniacally.
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Jun 8, 2016 12:49
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I can jive with that, OP
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Jun 8, 2016 13:13
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Crowsbeak posted:Alpha Centauri is way better. Stellaris is to Alpha Centauri what Alpha Centauri is to Civilization. their ethos chart thing has like 8 different ideological axis
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Jun 8, 2016 13:16
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I amass great wealth then buy myself to victory
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Jun 8, 2016 13:17
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symbolic posted:can i still make Gandhi a homicidal warlord Fun fact: In Civilization V the Ghandi AI is predisposed to nukes in the tech tree!
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Jun 8, 2016 13:23
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you nuke them. (yes, I know this is a misattribution)
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Jun 8, 2016 13:35
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just lol if you're so bad at civ5 that gandhi gets nukes and uses them against you before you've got the game in the bag
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Jun 8, 2016 14:55
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no hitler voted 1
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Jun 8, 2016 15:02
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Crowsbeak posted:Alpha Centauri is way better.
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Jun 8, 2016 15:08
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Civ5 got politics correct in the sense that 'diplomatic victory' is really just 'I'm the richest, I win'.
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Jun 8, 2016 15:12
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Rutibex posted:Stellaris is to Alpha Centauri what Alpha Centauri is to Civilization. their ethos chart thing has like 8 different ideological axis agreed stellaris is extremely good
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Jun 8, 2016 15:18
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If people weren't so stubborn there would be only fascism.
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Jun 8, 2016 15:28
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Rutibex posted:Stellaris is to Alpha Centauri what Alpha Centauri is to Civilization. their ethos chart thing has like 8 different ideological axis is it "better" than Alpha Centauri in the same way that Taikyoku shogi is "better" than chess or is it actually that much better because SMAC is a timeless classic whose themes and predictions about the future only become more relevant as time goes on, and may be the one video game which could be considered "art"
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I always played the computer on the highest difficulty setting and I rarely won. Seems like autocracy always gave me the best shot. Oh, I'd turn off the technology victory condition because the computer would lob a rocket into space by about 1650 AD*. I used to think it was odd that it was so hard to keep people happy under the "Freedom" ideology. But I guess it's about right, as the folks in free nations just find ways to make themselves miserable and the poor bastards living under oppressive regimes are just happy to be alive and maybe not being bludgeoned by a cudgel at any given moment. As for learning things from video games, I did learn the rules of professional hockey from playing EA NHL hockey on a Sega Genesis in the early '90s. *May be an exaggeration.
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