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I hear that this game ignores subtleties and just spits out story now so that'll probably make connecting it to past games easier on literally insane people like me. Picking up the game tomorrow and just excited to play another Kirby game tho
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Dr. Fetus posted:Ehh, not sure where you got that idea. This game seems to have just as much story as the past Kirby games. The difference between this game and those is that some of the boss fights just have cutscenes before they start, now. Literally every game has ties to the past in the Kirby series story wise. I've said it before but there's a overarcing plot to these games which is kind of funny  I somehow find myself at world 5 already. Goddamn this is such a good game.
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Jun 10, 2016 19:42
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EclecticTastes posted:Incredible. Somehow Kirby of all the games has pulled off a drat excellent plot twist, and by far the most blatant connection between games outside of Paintra being Drawcia's sister. Still curious how it all links up, though. Definitely don't look at this spoiler until you've beaten the game, in case you're the kind of person who might be tempted. Does Star Dream become Nova after this, somehow, or did Haltmann just build it from the remaining debris sometime after the defeat of Marx Soul? I'm leaning toward the former, though I suppose the True Arena might clear things up a little. Remember how I said all games are connected? Spoilers Him and Marx apparently knew that there's a ton of them, Star Dream is just one of them.
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Jun 10, 2016 22:10
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There's a lot more you'll learn about doing meta knights stuff. Kirby lore is real and shockingly powerful.Jetfire posted:Was the end of this game par for the course for recent Kirby games? Because holy poo poo. It did space ship battles better than the entirety of Star Fox Zero. This was a new level, but yeah most Kirby games try to have insane final bosses. E: If you wanna know more about enemies in Kirby games pause whenever a boss bar shows up- there's little blurbs and stuff to read about whatever you're facing that can give backstory or small tidbits of the area. ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jun 10, 2016 |
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Alxprit posted:Hello everyone, I just beat the game, and it was good. Gonna do the bonus campaign eventually. The connection to past games makes me wonder about the big picture. Is there anything concrete that connects to other games besides the Dark Matter trilogy and the thingie (you know) in Triple Deluxe? Or is it all just speculation? There's connections in just about every game. Here's a thing I typed up awhile ago for someone else. Feel free to make fun of me. Like at first it was just Dedede being a dick and building a castle and taking all the food- Kirby beat him up and that's the last time Dedede was "evil." (Kirby's first game) After that nightmares kept popping up and Kirby visits the Spring of Dreams (because nobody can sleep with constant nightmares) and finds him lounging in the spring and assumes that the penguin's up to no good. Turns out Dedede got to the Nightmare first and the only idea he could come up with was to seal it in the fountain (making things worse) and he was just lazing about trying to make sure it stayed sealed. Final boss was the two of them working together somewhat to beat the hell out of Nightmare. Meta Knight see's that Kirby is the only one trying to save Dreamland and gets it in his head to conqure the land and make everyone train so they wouldn't have to depend on Kirby. He launches the Halberd and invades aiming to make the place better protected overall. Kirby stops him and sinks the Halberd into the ocean squashing that idea out of Meta Knight. Fresh off that victory the sun and moon start fighting and Marx, tiny lil imp dude, pleads that Kirby finds NOVA- a huge rear end living clockwork star that grants wishes and use it to get the two celestial bodies to stop. As Kirby approaches it and is ready to make his wish Marx comes out of fuggin' nowhere and demands he gets turned into Popstar's king and gets to rule it. NOVA turns him into a even bigger super powered rear end in a top hat and the two rush off to Popstar where the sun and moon (assuming it's Mr Bright and Mr Shine) stop to hold NOVA back. Kirby trashes NOVA and Marx and just heads to bed because man that wasn't worth it. Then Dark Matter showed up and possessed Dedede and learned the concept of jealousy and whatnot (over Kirby's fame). It then tried to "help" Dedede by taking his body over and Kirby had to literally pound it out of him and then sword fight it in the sky which just pissed it off leading to Dream Land 3 where 0 showed up. 0 Killed itself in a bloody shower to try to kill Kirby and it was over... except not really as 0 just decided to go gently caress with other planets instead leading to 64. Popstar just wasn't worth it. You literally hunt down 0's soul and destroy it at the end of the game. Amazing Mirror then took place in the downtime, a strange artifact showed up and was spitting out evil copies of things and Meta Knight went to check it out and wound up getting trapped himself. Kirby went in to save him and it's seemingly just a random story thing until Squeak Squad came out. Before being defunct the Amazing Mirror copied 0 and shat out Dark 0 which was promptly defeated by Meta Knight and locked in a chest. During the course of the game you fish out the Halberd from the sea (from back in Super Star) and repair it to go after the mice that stole the chest thinking it was just treasure. We got Returns to Dreamland next which had Magolor talk about the NOVA star's Marx was after back in Super Star. Apparently a ancient race was super advanced and making GBS threads these wish granting planetoids out and they developed a crown that could make you godlike, he of course heard this from Marx himself back in the day (it's implied). Magolor shits the bed when he gets the crown and gets beat up though goes on to actually become a staple buddy and build theme parks. (Dream Collection and a few minigames in triple deluxe are his creations.) Triple Deluxe comes out and starts grasping games even further back to pull them in. Drawcia, the villain of Canvas Curse has a sister named Paintra it turns out and a mysterious artist brought them to life for unknown reason before escaping with his or her own paint brush. Magolor has opened up Dedede's Drum Dash also. Kirby goes on his adventure and clears it but there's actually a story that's unspoken behind Dedede Tour. Dedede gets word from a cleanup crew that there's something evil going on back at the Sectonia throne room and finds out the Amazing Mirror was stored there (a thing that's known to create evil clones of things) and heads out to shatter it. In Robobot (actual spoilers) you find Sectonia was actually a tiny bug person like Taranza and actually used the mirror to mind wipe a nice queen and take her body over and that's why it was there in the first place. Haltmann meanwhile has lost his daughter Sue in a accident and has gone totally nuts trying to find a way to revive her due to his guilt. He finds a defunct NOVA unit and repairs it. He then starts blindly following it's orders as he lost his reason to live and it points him at popstar as Sectonia's flower from Triple Deluxe spikes a alarm saying "Hey tons of organic stuff here we can use" and he comes after it. Sue is actually Susie who was trapped in Another Dimension from Returns to Dreamland and was tossed back into this reality at a older age where she works as a secretary now. ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Jun 23, 2016 |
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Jun 11, 2016 21:46
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EclecticTastes posted:Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot seem to have the most concrete connections, but yeah, all this continuity stuff only started up with Return to Dreamland. Before that, only the Dark Matter trilogy had any sort of connection. It looks like Hal's planning to tie the series together, possibly due to their realization that a lot of fans are old enough to appreciate it, given how old the character is. Eh other games have their own connections too- like how I mentioned in Squeak Squad you have to fish out the Halberd for Meta Knight after sinking it in Super Star. Returns and past that are constantly reaching back for stuff though, yeah. E: I actually just went back and added a few things including Robobots story and stuff. ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jun 11, 2016 |
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Jun 11, 2016 22:05
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EclecticTastes posted:That's an interesting theory, but I think the timeline's a lot more complicated than that. Dream Land and Adventure definitely came first, but I believe that it's Amazing Mirror that happens next, and Return to Dream Land is what came right after that. Then Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot happen shortly afterwards, with Canvas Curse happening somewhere in that time, as well (before, during, or after). Not long after come the events of Revenge of Meta Knight (preceded by Dyna Blade), where after the failed alien invasion, Meta Knight decides that Popstar needs to militarize to fend off threats like that in the future, rather than rely on a flake like Kirby. After that comes Milky Way Wishes, where Marx tricks Kirby into tracking down Nova, the remains of Star Dream, while around the same time, Meta Knight uses it to have a rematch with Galacta Knight (GK being the strongest entity Nova knows). Marx ends up killed along with Nova, and like every previous villain up to that point besides Nightmare, becomes an insane revenant animated and warped by the magic of the device he messed with. After that comes the events of the Dark Matter Trilogy. Dark Matter invades Dream Land, attempting to use Dedede as a puppet ruler, and is defeated, but encounters the lost, angry, magic-infused souls of the previous villains, who have coalesced into into a force of pure hatred, Zero. It ends up infecting a portion of the Dark Matter, taking on its familiar giant eyeball form in the process, and eventually takes over entirely. Then it's destroyed in Dream Land 3, but like the beings it was formed from, Zero's full of too much ill-advised magic to die so easily, and its soul persists, continuing to control the Dark Matter, but what little sense of identity and purpose it had (such as hating Kirby, and by extension, Popstar) in Dream Land 3 was destroyed, leaving it with just the impulse to corrupt and/or destroy everything it can reach, which is what happens in 64. Then the rest of the series happens from there. Dark Nebula is the fused remains of the Dark Matter and 02, far weaker than they had been in 64, but still very dangerous. Also, some games with little connection to the rest of the series (Epic Yarn and Rainbow Curse, for exampe) could take place in-between a lot of stuff (though Rainbow Curse definitely happened sometime after Canvas Curse). Robobot has pretty conclusive proof that it and Triple Deluxe come after the Dark Matter Trilogy (somewhat big spoilers) Seeing as Star Dream creates a clone of Dark Matter's swordsman form and all. But yeah you can shuffle some stuff around and still make it work.
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Jun 11, 2016 22:31
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Dr. Fetus posted:Are there warps in Meta Knightmare Returns like there were in Dededetour? Nope, but meta knight moves like he forgot to turn off the stove so you finish everything just as fast, EX stages aren't all piled on at the end either so the last stage isn't a sudden hour by itself.
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Jun 11, 2016 23:04
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Twelve by Pies posted:I'm avoiding as many spoilers as I can and I can't believe I'm saying that about a Kirby game of all things. There's only 12 modes so some are left out like Leaf and Poison. It's hard to be let down though because what's there is great and they all serve unique enough functions.
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Jun 11, 2016 23:59
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Started a True Arena run with leaf and got hit during Clanky Woods, in a attempt to get leaf back I inhaled and accidentally swallowed a boulder turning into Rock Kirby. Whooops. Got to the true final boss and failed because the random power up roulette gave me cutter and apparently cutter just can't hit the final boss and I didn't say "screw it" till it was too late to actually fight back 
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Jun 12, 2016 01:54
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Rocketlex posted:It was hard to set aside my nostalgia, but I think I'm ready to call this the best Kirby game ever made. It's better than Super Star, maybe not in every way, but overall. It gets even better.
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Jun 12, 2016 04:25
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To be fair the past 3-4 Kirby platformers have had the "real" final boss at the end of the True Arena. Super Star Ultra had Marx's Soul Returns had Galacta Knight Triple Deluxe had Sectonia Soul etc
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Jun 12, 2016 05:28
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Ending spoilers (and true arena) but I do find the pause menu fluff genuinely kind of disturbing to think about. When fighting Star Dream OS it states that there's .01 of Haltmann's soul messing with it trying to stop it. By the end of the fight in it's final form it just casually mentions that it's deleted his soul and life entirely now and you can actually hear him scream when you bust the heart. It's actually kind of hosed up.
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Jun 12, 2016 09:07
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I always thought that Super Star was beaten by Returns and just about every mainline game after it. I still love playing super star and not saying anything about it but the other stuff just feels better to me, I like expanded movesets for powers and the bosses are unquestionably better in these later games.
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Jun 12, 2016 17:49
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Did you know wheel mode can double jump? I didn't.Viewtiful Jew posted:We have enough "reformed delinquent antagonists" to make another Return to Dream Land at this point but with Magalor, Taranza and Susie instead of Kirby's usual pals. I'm not actually sure if Susie is reformed considering she's a complete and utter monster who killed her own dad with literally no regrets in that regard.
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Jun 12, 2016 19:57
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Can the Robobot armor be considered a animal buddy.
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nerdbot posted:I'd say so. It's implied it went down like this - Haltmann finds the stars and begins studying them because think about the money to be made- in a attempt to power one up his daughter gets zapped and sent to Another Dimension (Returns to Dreamland's finale and bonus zones). Haltmann doesn't know what happens to her and assumes she's dead from his tinkering so he shuts down the project and begins to try to find a way to get her back. He eventually hits his breaking point and reactivates the Star Dream that zapped her and begs it to bring Susie back to life. Star Dream tells him that it can't bring her back to life (but doesn't mention it's because she isn't dead) and Haltmann loses it. Return to Dreamland happens and the rift to Another Dimension is opened and Susie gets spat out- she returns home but Haltmann's too far gone in his obsession with work to realize it's her so she plans to sabotage Star Dream while acting as secretary, it'll teach him a lesson alright. Then Robobot happens and Haltmann dies and gets his soul erased never knowing his daughter was in front of him the whole time. Putting pieces together from pause screen text is fun
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Jun 12, 2016 20:37
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Viewtiful Jew posted:The Security Drones you fight throughout Chapter 6 have the same attack pattern as the boss from Egg Engine right? Pretty much yeah
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alcharagia posted:So I've beaten Meta Knightmare Returns, game owns, this story poo poo is bananas, Return to Dreamland's multiplayer was better than Super Star's (and so was Dreamland 3's,) if I don't get to hear a remix of Heart of Nova in the True Arena I'm suing Kumazaki. Keep us posted 
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Jun 13, 2016 03:56
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Rocketlex posted:Wow, Ice gives you an infinite guard with no chip damage. Is that new? Suddenly Ice is an awesome choice for True Arena. Ice has always had it. Ice did get massively buffed though due to how boss i-frames work now. Also it's new bowling ball move owns.
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alcharagia posted:Ice Ball isn't new. Ice was one of the best abilities in Triple Deluxe. Actually it was beast in Return to Dreamland t- Actually it- Ice loving owns Egg on my face, Ice and Fire are abilities I rarely ever touched in the past unless it was a obligatory fuse puzzle. I picked up ice in robobot after hearing how good it was now and noticed Ice Ball and was like "wow they added a new move for it!" Me and a couple friends who've done numerous runs of Triple Deluxe all thought that it was a new attack
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Jun 13, 2016 05:54
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BlitzBlast posted:Nova blew the gently caress up in Super Star, but it came back just fine as soon as more star essences were gathered. It's presumably still around, so there's no way it could be Star Dream. Besides, you misunderstand what's going on with the final boss. Haltman found a random Clockwork Star somewhere, and pretty much extracted its core to create Star Dream. Further study enabled them to activate it, and with it they were able to fly around with the main body as a big old spaceship. Star Dream says "READY -> GO>" in Meta Knightmare Returns in the Japanese version.
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Jun 15, 2016 20:57
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Dark Matter trilogy (DL2/DL3/64) works. Just make sure you let her know they're slower games. Especially 64.
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Jun 17, 2016 18:25
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You also have to beat the normal arena but that should be a given.
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Jun 18, 2016 02:33
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XavierGenisi posted:Are there any HAL rooms in this game like there is in Return to Dreamland or Triple Deluxe? I've found 3 of em
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Jun 18, 2016 19:49
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sharrrk posted:working on beating true arena, i really wish there was an easier way to practice fighting the bosses in the 2 rounds before the last one. i need to go into the last round with a health bar that is at least somewhat respectable If you're talking about Galacta Knight and that group of friends just start up Meta Knightmare and hit continue, you'll start at those fights.
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Jun 21, 2016 09:06
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Blackheart posted:I love this and I choose to believe that the artist never heard of Kirby and drew the characters from descriptions. Rainbow Curse is super divisive. I absolutely loved it and still pop it in time to time just to mess around with but I know some people absolutely hate it because no powers and forced gamepad use. It's also really short. If you liked Canvas Curse enough go for it. SilverSupernova posted:Reminder, if you aren't reading the pause screen flavor text, you're playing the game wrong. I think the twists start at Doomers 2.0 to be honest, or rather start raising questions if you're into that sort of thing
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Jun 23, 2016 07:38
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sharrrk posted:hi. i beat true arena and i'm still at 98% and missing a cutscene. what am i forgetting There's always a thank-you cutscene for getting 100% Robobot's is worth getting 
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Eopia posted:This lore talk has made me realize that I need some kind of summary for what's been going on in these games. Robobot is the first Kirby game I've played since 64 and Amazing Mirror so I feel like I'm missing a ridiculous amount of nods and references to other games. Here's a thing I typed earlier in the thread if you want
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Jun 23, 2016 16:33
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Every Kirby game has like 6-7 new songs not counting the boss music and the rest is usually Butter Building, Halberd, Dedede's Theme, Green Greens and lately Factory Inspection aka the best song. Credit goes out to Robobot for the new Dedede theme that's Revenge of Meta Knight/Dedede's Theme/Revenge of the King's songs all mixed into one. I seriously wouldn't mind if it was his new theme in future games. It's so good. 
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Jun 23, 2016 18:56
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Blackheart posted:That too, but I mean, in P-R-O-G-R-A-M which is also the Star Dream Soul OS' theme when you finally fight the heart. You can hear it after the part that has bits of "Heart of Nova" -around 1:45 here. Pause after you break all the pillars. It changes and tells you that you just killed Haltmann entirely. Also True Arena spoilers but have some HD pictures Spoilers E: I'm not hearing it in the song you posted.
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Jun 24, 2016 03:51
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Maleketh posted:Those of you you played the last EX stage (6-8?) probably appreciated the 8-bit pixel mural of Kirby and Meta-Knight. But I discovered that it's also a callback since, as in previous games, the moon is a secret doorway. Probably my favorite little detail in the game. That's not the only time that callback is used in Robobot! Triple Deluxe also has 2 moons!
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Jul 2, 2016 16:38
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Only problem I see with infinite flight in a 3D game is going so high you can no longer see a shadow on the ground leading to a lot of blind falls etc. It would have to be like Kirby 3D rumble's camera angle all the time or 64's limited flight I imagine. Like play city trial without a star in Air Ride and imagine that but with actual levels and hazards and it becomes a issue.
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Jul 6, 2016 00:48
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Dreamland 3 is good because it has Batamon. Spend all game going "What the heck is the deal with that guy?" then you find a secret room with like seven of them and one of them finally within your grasp and he doesn't even have a power
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SilverSupernova posted:Getting back to the game in the topic title, and speaking of Dream Land 2, I just noticed that in Robobot, Dark Matter is wielding the Rainbow Sword. The cutscene with him is the rainbow thief so who knows what's up.
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Jul 20, 2016 08:44
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:poo poo, is there an homage to Marx in Robobot? I need to buy it anyway, but that would seal it. Milky Way Wishes is my poo poo. Marx had a super hidden cameo in Triple Deluxe actually, but its only for a brief second so eh.
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Speaking of Marx
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