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tibet was a part of china where there was slavery. the communists went in and got rid of the slavery. i don't see the problemPanzeh posted:Most cuban emigres are right-wingers who would be(and definitely were) very amenable to contra-style death squads. why is he on probation for saying something that's literally true (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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HorseLord posted:tibet was a part of china where there was slavery. the communists went in and got rid of the slavery. i don't see the problem My death squads are better than your death squads.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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HorseLord posted:tibet was a part of china where there was slavery. the communists went in and got rid of the slavery. i don't see the problem I wonder why people that were forced to flee a repressive communist regime at the risk of their own lives just for wanting liberties and opportunities denied them back home, only to be told by leftists that said communist regime was actually peaceful and pure-hearted and sweetness and light, would end up with right-wing sympathies...and I'm sure being slandered as universally in favour of death squads in no way factors into their continuing anti-left sentiments.
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HorseLord posted:tibet was a part of china where there was slavery. the communists went in and got rid of the slavery. i don't see the problem It's amazing how much like people like you resemble Donald Trump, what with the big talk about necessary sacrifices to oppose a thing while being unable or unwilling to make any sacrifices to effect real change in the world around you. That and your callous disregard of the suffering minority groups have endured at the hands of those you support. The most you have going for you is a circlejerk on a comedy forum, and a willful misinterpretation of recorded history in hopes of being right on the internet. fivegears4reverse fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Pussy Cartel posted:I wonder why people that were forced to flee a repressive communist regime at the risk of their own lives just for wanting liberties and opportunities denied them back home, only to be told by leftists that said communist regime was actually peaceful and pure-hearted and sweetness and light, would end up with right-wing sympathies...and I'm sure being slandered as universally in favour of death squads in no way factors into their continuing anti-left sentiments. but everything was a-ok on those fronts under benevolent el presidente batista oh wait, no, it was actual fascism, and the lion's share of those who fled after the revolution did it because they were the privileged classes terrified of castro taking their mansion and turning it into a school for black people or something nevermind
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HorseLord posted:but everything was a-ok on those fronts under benevolent el presidente batista Cuba must have been great under Batista if everybody had a mansion.
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HorseLord posted:but everything was a-ok on those fronts under benevolent el presidente batista The mansions were nationalized long ago. Professionals are still leaving Cuba in droves.
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HorseLord posted:tibet was a part of china where there was slavery. the communists went in and got rid of the slavery. i don't see the problem what about the poo poo they did after the 1950s like when they confiscated the goat herds of the nomads and force them into a sedimentary life style?
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Typo posted:what about the poo poo they did after the 1950s like when they confiscated the goat herds of the nomads and force them into a sedimentary life style? this is great post/username combo
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I wonder if HE and HorseLord are trolling at this point. I mean pointing out NK as a model for a perfect society? Defending Mao's policies which lead to widespread famine because only "yes men" could survive the political climate? This thread is the microcosm of a Donald Trump rally. Say something totally outrageous and everyone jumps in because they think you are serious.
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JeffersonClay posted:The mansions were nationalized long ago. Professionals are still leaving Cuba in droves. and then they come back after they've finished with the humanitarian project they took part in
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HorseLord posted:and then a limited proportion come back after they've finished with the humanitarian project they took part in
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Why would anyone choose to leave a workers paradise like Cuba? Particularly after they'd experienced the depredations of the capitalist system firsthand. Anyone who doesn't return must be a secret fascist pining for death squads or be mentally ill.
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Remember the Mariel boatlift of 1980? Why did Fidel allow the 10,000 capitalists who left in that operation to keep their manors and plantations for over two decades before kicking them out?
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HorseLord posted:oh wait, no, it was actual fascism No. No it was not. Not every shithead strongman is a fascist. Words have meanings. Not that I'm surprised you'd say that. This is a thread, after all, in which "imperialism" is specifically defined so that it only applies to polities the OP already despises. Soviet imperialism was apparently not a thing, because it doesn't meet Lenin's definition. I wonder if your Stalinism derives not so much from the desire to see some more kulaks liquidated (although that's ever-present in your posts), but rather from the desire to live under a regime in which your constant abuses of language would be applauded as politically useful.
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steinrokkan posted:Remember the Mariel boatlift of 1980? Why did Fidel allow the 10,000 capitalists who left in that operation to keep their manors and plantations for over two decades before kicking them out? It's like how Chairman Mao managed to with insightful detective work discover a whole class of Wealthy Landowners that the efficient and organised socialist bureaucracy somehow overlooked and forgot to liquidate, just in time for the Cultural Revolution. kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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owDAWG posted:I wonder if HE and HorseLord are trolling at this point. I mean pointing out NK as a model for a perfect society? Defending Mao's policies which lead to widespread famine because only "yes men" could survive the political climate? No they're not trolling.
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owDAWG posted:
remember when you said that the reason the soviet union dedicated so much of it's economy to the army was because westerners wouldn't buy their cars
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For all the people acting like emigration controls are a terrible infringement on human rights: you realize that your own government violates your right to emigrate to Cuba, right?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:For all the people acting like emigration controls are a terrible infringement on human rights: you realize that your own government violates your right to emigrate to Cuba, right? America is perfect: a claim made by most people itt.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:For all the people acting like emigration controls are a terrible infringement on human rights: you realize that your own government violates your right to emigrate to Cuba, right? and yet, oddly, people tend not to want to leave america to live in cuba for some reason
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blowfish posted:America is perfect: a claim made by most people itt. Funny you say that because some dork a few posts up is accusing both HE/HL of literally saying that North Korea is perfect when I'm pretty sure they both have not. Too bad he's on your team upholding the Established Truth or else your keen observations would be directed at him.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:For all the people acting like emigration controls are a terrible infringement on human rights: you realize that your own government violates your right to emigrate to Cuba, right? You don't think preventing emigration to a couple of specific places is a little different from preventing all emigration, period?
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:and yet, oddly, people tend not to want to leave america to live in cuba for some reason And yet, several people have defected to Cuba over the years. Not a massive stream to be sure, but surely if the United States has nothing to fear from a potential brain drain to Cuba why aren't we allowed to go there? Americans also commonly retire abroad in countries where their dollars go a much longer way than in the United States, and there'd be plenty of people interested in retiring to Cuba if the restrictions weren't there. Darkrenown posted:You don't think preventing emigration to a couple of specific places is a little different from preventing all emigration, period? They're certainly different, but the idea that people should have an inalienable right to go anywhere they want is nonsense. The self-proclaimed freest country in the world doesn't practice unrestricted emigration, so why is anybody acting as if there's some kind of moral outrage? Countries all over the world suffer intensely from brain drain to advanced Western economies, but that's ok because any restriction on their freedom of movement violates market forces.
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Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13 posted:(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. It's not about "unrestricted emigration", but a goodwill commitment to letting your citizens leave your country freely. "We uh, want them here" isn't an acceptable reason to prevent emigration. Ormi fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:And yet, several people have defected to Cuba over the years. After taking a cursory glance on wikipedia it seems like a lot of them was escaping prosecution.
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Ormi posted:It's not about "unrestricted emigration", but a goodwill commitment to letting your citizens leave your country freely. "We uh, want them here" isn't an acceptable reason to prevent emigration. Making it illegal to travel to another country isn't a goodwill commitment.
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I'm fairly confident that we're going to see people in this thread saying that the Contras just wanted 'freedom'.
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Panzeh posted:I'm fairly confident that we're going to see people in this thread saying that the Contras just wanted 'freedom'. You never got to answer my question. Let me put it this way: when the revolution comes and you start constructing your gulags, who will you round up first, Cuban emigres or members of the Polish military?
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Jack of Hearts posted:You never got to answer my question. Let me put it this way: when the revolution comes and you start constructing your gulags, who will you round up first, Cuban emigres or members of the Polish military? Sorry about that, since members of the Polish military would be invading forces, it seems reasonable to round them up.
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Panzeh posted:I'm fairly confident that we're going to see people in this thread saying that the Contras just wanted 'freedom'. I'm fairly confident that the only reason why it won't be you is because they was backed by Reagan.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Making it illegal to travel to another country isn't a goodwill commitment. Indeed, the UN has repeatedly condemned the US embargo on these grounds, every single year since 1992! Does that blow your mind or what?
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Panzeh posted:Sorry about that, since members of the Polish military would be invading forces, it seems reasonable to round them up. What about Finns, seeing as how Finns are so Nazi that they were Nazi before the Nazi Party even existed?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:For all the people acting like emigration controls are a terrible infringement on human rights: you realize that your own government violates your right to emigrate to Cuba, right? This is purestrain whataboutism. I'm trying to be fair, and keep in mind what HE said earlier: Homework Explainer posted:"Whataboutism" is a really cool way to dismiss any and all attempts at evaluative symmetry. So I'm looking real hard to find some symmetry, and...nope, not there. The position of the US with regard to emigration to Cuba is this: "For reasons stupid and incomprehensible, we have chosen to maintain a useless grudge against a particular island nation. As a result, we officially prohibit our citizens from moving there. In practice, this means that we choose to make it inconvenient-to-difficult to move from our end, mostly by making you ship yourself and your things through a third country first, and also that if you decide to come home later you may possibly face prosecution." The position of the German Democratic Republic with regard to emigration to the West was this: "We will shoot you in the loving back if you try to escape our laughably-named country." These two positions are not the same, not similar, not even comparable.
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It is not illegal under US law to emigrate to Cuba.
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Ormi posted:Indeed, the UN has repeatedly condemned the US embargo on these grounds, every single year since 1992! Does that blow your mind or what? Merely a trick by the imperialist oppressor to obfuscate his true intentions.
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Panzeh posted:I'm fairly confident that we're going to see people in this thread saying that the Contras just wanted 'freedom'. No, they deserved to die just like any Stalinist.
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