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The El Faro bridge voice recorder was recently recovered. It's one hell of a read. https://www.scribd.com/document/340858632/Voyage-Data-Recorder-NTSB-Audio-Transcript http://www.cbsnews.com/news/timeline-to-tragedy-doomed-el-faros-final-hours/
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drat, that captain was the "this is fine!" dog, but with water.
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Mar 6, 2017 18:08
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Imagine your last words, recorded for posterity for all eternity after the cockpit voice recorder gets recovered from the bottom of the sea, being "Ruh roh."
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Mar 7, 2017 13:53
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chitoryu12 posted:Imagine your last words, recorded for posterity for all eternity after the cockpit voice recorder gets recovered from the bottom of the sea, being "Ruh roh." Alternatively "Give me splenda, not the regular sugar"
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Mar 7, 2017 17:34
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My first patrol on my first Coast Guard ship, we boarded a decent sized coastal freighter. I am relying on memory but I'm pretty sure her name was D'mary, but it might have been "Dimeri" or something else phonetic. Couple hundred feet long. We find drugs and get the crew off but the ship isn't sea worthy. The captain decides to scuttle the ship as a hazard to navigation so a damage control crew goes over and cuts a few holes, opens the seacocks, etc. Only at that point does someone point out that the depth here is only a tens of feet, 40 or 50 I think. The ship is certainly taller than that. So we rapidly try to get her under tow, and pull the sinking vessel into deeper waters. It doesn't work, we ended up cutting the towline and having to file for a notice to mariners for the charted area. We passed by a few times in the remaining years and the captain always made sure to drive close enough to point out his own abject lesson in planning to new officers.
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Mar 7, 2017 20:45
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Alereon posted:drat, that captain was the "this is fine!" dog, but with water. quote:M1 I think as soon as the steam plant went cold, he knew what was going to happen. It must loving suck to know that, realistically, even if you abandon ship, you are going to die in the storm. From the way the recorder plays, it sounds like the Captain and one other went down on the bridge. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Mar 10, 2017 13:17
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"Rhu row" was way before the plant went out, and it was the second mate. Fun fact, the only woman on board, and she sent an email to her mother telling her to tell everyone she loved them hours before the accident. So she likely had a pretty good idea poo poo was going bad. I haven't read the transcript; don't think I will. I've been involved in way too many conversations about "Aw come on, what's a little stormy weather?" that ended up fine to want to know more about this one.
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Mar 10, 2017 15:26
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FrozenVent posted:Fun fact, the only woman on board, and she sent an email to her mother telling her to tell everyone she loved them hours before the accident. So she likely had a pretty good idea poo poo was going bad. Nearly the entire crew was well aware of what they were heading towards. Chief Mate asked for a change of course. Captain denied. Third Mate suggested they were heading straight into danger, but didn't want to second guess the captain. Then presented a plot of the Hurrican'e course to the captain, showing they would come within 20 miles of the eye. Captain declined change of course. Second Mate calls up captain suggesting change of course. Captain denies. The Captain was an idiot, and everyone was aware of what was about to happen. He dismissed it as "Well, its like this every day in Alaska".
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Mar 10, 2017 16:22
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CommieGIR posted:Nearly the entire crew was well aware of what they were heading towards. Chief Mate asked for a change of course. Captain denied. Third Mate suggested they were heading straight into danger, but didn't want to second guess the captain. Then presented a plot of the Hurrican'e course to the captain, showing they would come within 20 miles of the eye. Captain declined change of course. Second Mate calls up captain suggesting change of course. Captain denies. The captains bones should be dredged up, and beaten. What a shithead; read the whole transcript. I'm not a mariner, so I'll reserve my judgement of his decisions, although it does floor me that he would compare navigating a commercial fishing vessel in Alaskan seas to operating a much heavier ship though hurricanes.
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Mar 11, 2017 01:36
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He was likely under a lot of stress from corporate to make a schedule. Container ships are pretty tight with their times and diverting may have been something that he perceived as having a guaranteed bad outcome vs a maybe bad outcome. Still bad risk management. Also, being a former Second Mate, not gonna read that. Had a scare or two, not eager to read others last words.
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Mar 11, 2017 02:05
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Mercury Ballistic posted:He was likely under a lot of stress from corporate to make a schedule. Container ships are pretty tight with their times and diverting may have been something that he perceived as having a guaranteed bad outcome vs a maybe bad outcome. Still bad risk management. Also, being a former Second Mate, not gonna read that. Had a scare or two, not eager to read others last words. As soon as it hit a Class III Hurrican, my SOP would've been: Get as far away as possible from that hurricane.
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Mar 11, 2017 21:19
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I'm not super into marine stuff, but I found this to be a fascinating topic and a great article IMO: High Tech Cowboys of the Deep Seas: The Race to Save the Cougar Ace quote:Latitude 48° 14 North. Longitude 174° 26 West. Almost midnight on the North Pacific, about 230 miles south of Alaska's Aleutian Islands. A heavy fog blankets the sea. There's nothing but the wind spinning eddies through the mist.
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Mar 14, 2017 12:23
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Today was the anniversary of the sinking of the Dixie Arrow, in torpedo alley off of Cape Hatteras. Graveyard of the Atlantic Museum posted:Courage. Defender. Protector. HERO. On this day in history, March 26, 1942 – Dixie Arrow was hit with three torpedoes within one minute, off of Cape Hatteras by U-71. Eleven lives were lost. Able-bodied seaman, Oscar G. Chappell, was severely injured but still alive and at his station in the wheelhouse of the torpedoed Dixie Arrow. Chappell was able to turn the ship and hold the tanker into the wind, thus driving the flames away and allowing men to jump clear of the sea of burning oil. The flames however came directly back on Chappell. His heroic actions and sacrifice saved his shipmates. A liberty ship was later named in his honor. 
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Mar 26, 2017 14:39
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Icon Of Sin posted:Chappell was able to turn the ship and hold the tanker into the wind, thus driving the flames away and allowing men to jump clear of the sea of burning oil. How do they know that he did this? Radio?
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Mar 26, 2017 22:25
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Sticky Date posted:How do they know that he did this? Radio? There were 6 other people on the bridge with him after the first torpedo exploded (6 alive, at any rate). He ordered them off before steering the ship to have the winds calm the inferno, if only for a moment. I managed to track that info down here: http://tinyurl.com/k8fyeot Search for Dixie Arrow, since there aren't any page numbers to go off of. Poor dude saw the torpedoes incoming and called them out, but it wasn't in time to maneuver and make them miss. It was initially only 2 torpedoes, which succeeded in blasting the ship wide open and setting her on fire. The U-boat captain decided that overkill was the best kind of kill, and sent a 3rd torpedo into the flaming carnage. This is the one that killed the ship's captain.
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Mar 27, 2017 01:01
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I wonder how he was able to manuever a crippled ship. Generally when the prop stops, the helm stops responding soon after. Not that I doubt the story. Some guy in WW2 was on a targeted cargo ship and managed to use the ships sole deck gun to sink the attacker. quote:Before he sailed into history, Edwin J. O’Hara was just another Cadet from the Maritime Commission’s West Coast Basic School. Although he was initially appointed as a Deck Cadet, Edwin O’Hara signed on aboard the SS Mariposa as Engine Cadet on March 14,
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Mar 27, 2017 01:54
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Mercury Ballistic posted:I wonder how he was able to manuever a crippled ship. Generally when the prop stops, the helm stops responding soon after. The Stephen Hopkins is my favorite Liberty ship. We've got 3 near where I live, all serving as artificial reefs. Alexander Ramsey, Theodore Parker and the Vermilion are offshore from Wilmington, Morehead City, and Myrtle Beach/Murrells Inlet and sit within recreational diving limits. The Theodore Parker and the Alexander Ramsey are both sitting in about 50 ft of water, and the Vermilion is a bit deeper. I think the ocean floor is at ~130ft for her, which is the limit for non-technical/non-decompression diving. e: Vermilion isn't actually a Liberty ship. She's a Tolland-class attack/cargo ship built for WWII, so the designs are likely related somehow. These were designed/built for the US Navy, instead of the Merchant Marine like the Liberty ships were. Icon Of Sin fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 02:10
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Icon Of Sin posted:There were 6 other people on the bridge with him after the first torpedo exploded (6 alive, at any rate). He ordered them off before steering the ship to have the winds calm the inferno, if only for a moment. I managed to track that info down here: This was such a good read I bought the e-book. Then I got into reading about German Commerce Raiders
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Mar 27, 2017 21:19
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CommieGIR posted:This was such a good read I bought the e-book. Look for a book called Sea Raider Atlantis.
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Mar 27, 2017 23:33
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CommieGIR posted:This was such a good read I bought the e-book. The area that Torpedo Alley sits in had long since earned the name "Graveyard of the Atlantic", and that was before Nazis contributed significantly to the Ghost Fleet of the Outer Banks (as we refer to it now) 
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Mar 28, 2017 03:56
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Icon Of Sin posted:The area that Torpedo Alley sits in had long since earned the name "Graveyard of the Atlantic", and that was before Nazis contributed significantly to the Ghost Fleet of the Outer Banks (as we refer to it now) Oh yeah, I know. That was the creepiest part of that book: The Destroyers would find a contact and start depth charging, only to find out it was a previously sunk U-Boat victim. They were also dropping their anchors on suspected uboats to try to wrench them loose. Its really interesting how there was so many boats sunk that they kept getting false positives from previous U-boat kills    
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Mar 28, 2017 13:43
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Mercury Ballistic posted:I wonder how he was able to manuever a crippled ship. Generally when the prop stops, the helm stops responding soon after. Most tankers of that era had their machinery in the stern instead of amidships like freighters and passenger liners. Presumably the torpedo hit forward of the engineering spaces and the engines were undamaged and still running, which meant the ship could still answer the helm. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 14:48
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Most tankers of that era had their machinery in the stern instead of amidships like freighters and passenger liners. Presumably the torpedo hit forward of the engineering spaces and the engines were undamaged and still running, which meant the ship could still answer the helm. He may have also been hoping he still had enough foreward momentum to turn the ship even if the engine was gone.
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Mar 28, 2017 14:52
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Most tankers of that era had their machinery in the stern instead of amidships like freighters and passenger liners. Presumably the torpedo hit forward of the engineering spaces and the engines were undamaged and still running, which meant the ship could still answer the helm. The John D Gill had a similar setup. She took a torpedo at the midship, but her engines didn't shut down and one of the lifeboats got pulled into the screws as she capsized.
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Liberty ship's engines are back aft. They're also reciprocating steam engines, so they can take some rather unintuitive damage before they stop on their own. As long as the valves are open and the boilers are pressurized, the prop's gonna keep going. Didn't the aft end of one of the tankers in Finest Hours keep going for a few hours? On the other hand, the case of the Flare: quote:The stern section sank in about half an hour. As it was sinking, some of the crew on the port side of the poop deck saw the bow of a vessel apparently approaching on a near reciprocal course. Their immediate impression was that a rescue vessel was at hand; however, they were dismayed to find that it was the bow section of the "FLARE". The propeller was still turning and had likely caused the stern section to follow an erratic course which returned it to the vicinity of the separated bow section. FrozenVent fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 16:16
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Makes sense. Ships are odd in their behavior at times.
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Mar 29, 2017 02:15
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FrozenVent posted:Their immediate impression was that a rescue vessel was at hand; however, they were dismayed to find that it was the bow section of the "FLARE". The propeller was still turning and had likely caused the stern section to follow an erratic course which returned it to the vicinity of the separated bow section. We have met the rescue ship... and they are ours.
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Mar 29, 2017 07:13
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Animal-Mother posted:We have met the rescue ship... and they are ours. Your avatar is perfect for this analogy.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:07
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mobby_6kl posted:I'm not super into marine stuff, but I found this to be a fascinating topic and a great article IMO: Proclick. - like so many here - much appreciated. 
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Mar 31, 2017 00:46
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mobby_6kl posted:I'm not super into marine stuff, but I found this to be a fascinating topic and a great article IMO: Reading things like this makes me sad I was turned down for a job in marine salvage. Several friends from college did go into that field and one of them was involved in lifting the kursk. They couldn't lift the thing in one go and decided to use what amounts to a giant band saw to cut it in two. In order to set the speed of the saw and plan the process they asked the russians for the strength and thickness of the steel used for the pressure hull. The russian navy initially didn't want to hand this over. It was a state secret and they were worried the west would be able to make accurate estimates of the sub's maximum depth. The salvaging engineers pointed out that what they were going to do was essentially destructive testing of the sub's hull, so they would find out anyway. After some hushed conversations and an emergency meeting of admirals the russians handed over the steel strength: in the 600 N/mm2 range if I remember right, which was surprisingly low for a modern submarine. Even more surprising was that the cutting process proceded far quicker than scheduled, meaning the steel was weaker than specified. It turned out to be in the range of good quality structural steel. The post-soviet navy had fallen on very hard times.
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you feelin fucky posted:Reading things like this makes me sad I was turned down for a job in marine salvage. Several friends from college did go into that field and one of them was involved in lifting the kursk. They couldn't lift the thing in one go and decided to use what amounts to a giant band saw to cut it in two. In order to set the speed of the saw and plan the process they asked the russians for the strength and thickness of the steel used for the pressure hull.
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you feelin fucky posted:Reading things like this makes me sad I was turned down for a job in marine salvage. Several friends from college did go into that field and one of them was involved in lifting the kursk. They couldn't lift the thing in one go and decided to use what amounts to a giant band saw to cut it in two. In order to set the speed of the saw and plan the process they asked the russians for the strength and thickness of the steel used for the pressure hull. Its not all that suprising. They tend to present a good image, but a lot of Russia military equipment is very much for show.
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^^^ You have to admit, it's a pretty effective show!  you feelin fucky posted:Reading things like this makes me sad I was turned down for a job in marine salvage. Several friends from college did go into that field and one of them was involved in lifting the kursk. They couldn't lift the thing in one go and decided to use what amounts to a giant band saw to cut it in two. In order to set the speed of the saw and plan the process they asked the russians for the strength and thickness of the steel used for the pressure hull.
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Holy poo poo is that the Kuznetsov? If I didnt know, I would have guessed that ship was burning.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:28
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Yeah, and this is supposedly the engine room, which would make sense: So hopefully it'll soon be an addition to this thread!
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Apr 7, 2017 11:57
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mobby_6kl posted:^^^ america poured billions into developing radio encryptions that no SIGINT could intercept the russians used smoke signals
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Saint Celestine posted:Holy poo poo is that the Kuznetsov? If I didnt know, I would have guessed that ship was burning. Maybe they ran out of heavy fuel oil and switched back to coal. Edit: Or this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq0eFkptu2c Phanatic fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Apr 9, 2017 18:07
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If there's enough particulate matter in the cloud could it function as chaff?
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Apr 9, 2017 18:27
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Saint Celestine posted:Holy poo poo is that the Kuznetsov? If I didnt know, I would have guessed that ship was burning. I was trying to find that photo for another thread and came to the conclusion that, sadly, it's a photoshop of the Kuznetsov and the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. 
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The real thing is still pretty noticeable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRVhCl02ssk
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