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zokie posted:Isn't the biggest recipient of EU farm subsidies the English Crown? Guess that's one gravy train that's over For some reason British people are proud of never really having had a violent revolution where we hung every one of those parasite fuckers because we are a sad and servile race * now the world's richest 20 year old or whatever after the old one died
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Pissflaps posted:Perhaps, but as it only represents 0.16% of the UK's £230 billion annual benefits bill I'm not sure how much impact it would have nationally.
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XMNN posted:For some reason British people are proud of never really having had a violent revolution where we hung every one of those parasite fuckers because we are a sad and servile race I seem to remember reading something about a civil war at one point. Someone got their head cut off maybe?
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XMNN posted:A huge amount of land is in the hands of the aristocracy, and it's not just agricultural, the Duke of Westminster* owns huge areas of central London and is I think the largest land owner in the uk, whoever the gently caress the grosvenors are own shopping centres in Chester and Liverpool etc etc How is that any different from having oligarchic dynasties like the Trumps? At least the queen and her inbred aristocratic goons have some class and don't star in reality TV shows AKA having some basic human decency.
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MikeCrotch posted:I seem to remember reading something about a civil war at one point. Someone got their head cut off maybe? Didn't really overthrow the aristocracy, just the king, temporarily. E: well I mean that one in particular was ovethrown permanently but the office wasn't. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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hitchensgoespop posted:Please show your workings to support this statement. Sales of swan meat are a tidy profit
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hitchensgoespop posted:Please show your workings to support this statement.
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MikeCrotch posted:I seem to remember reading something about a civil war at one point. Someone got their head cut off maybe? Oh, there's been plenty of civil wars. But the English revolution was much like the American revolution, it was the aristocracy and the crown against the landed gentry and yeomen. Little property transfers occurred. A lot of people on the Parliamentary side were part of the nobility, Thomas Fairfax was 3rd Lord Fairfax of Cameron (a Scottish peer who sat in the English House of Commons), 3rd Earl of Essex, Cromwell's grandfather was one of the richest landowners in his corner of England, John Pym was minor nobility, Denzil Holles, 1st Baron Holles's father was Earl of Clare, and so forth. One king and a few of his closest advisors losing their heads is hardly "every one of those parasite fuckers". Which is why you end up with travesties like 500 people owning more than half the land in Scotland. Because we have never had proper land reform to overturn centuries of inequity. And probably never will so long as liberalism is the leading ideology on this island, because private property trumps all, regardless of why that property belongs to whoever it belongs to. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:How is that any different from having oligarchic dynasties like the Trumps? At least the queen and her inbred aristocratic goons have some class and don't star in reality TV shows AKA having some basic human decency.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:How is that any different from having oligarchic dynasties like the Trumps? At least the queen and her inbred aristocratic goons have some class and don't star in reality TV shows AKA having some basic human decency. What are you talking about? Prince Phillip is at least as big a racist fuckwit as Trump. Pretty sure Trump wasn't raised in a culture of literal Nazi sympathisers either.
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Strawman posted:What are you talking about? Prince Phillip is at least as big a racist fuckwit as Trump. Pretty sure Trump wasn't raised in a culture of literal Nazi sympathisers either. His dad was in the KKK
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Prince Phillip isn't a democratically elected head of state though.
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nexus6 posted:Prince Phillip isn't a democratically elected head of state though. Neither is Trump Heyyyooooooooooooo
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I think all monuments, palaces and gardens should be burned and paved over so everybody could happily live in a 3m×5m×2m concrete box allotment without any distractions.
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Blacknose posted:His dad was in the KKK Exactly, the KKK hate Catholics.
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Strawman posted:What are you talking about? Prince Phillip is at least as big a racist fuckwit as Trump. Pretty sure Trump wasn't raised in a culture of literal Nazi sympathisers either. Prince Phillips family were not Nazi sympathisers. They were Nazis. There was a reason nobody from his side of the family attended the royal wedding in 1947.
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General China posted:Prince Phillips family were not Nazi sympathisers. They were Nazis. Yeah, I meant the queen's parents were sympathisers.
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Strawman posted:Yeah, I meant the queen's parents were sympathisers. You may have them confused with her uncle.
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I don't think the king of the UK during the second world war was a nazi. Or if he was he kept it quiet.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think the king of the UK during the second world war was a nazi. He was. And not that quiet - he toured Germany in 1937, and Albert Spear thought he would have been an ally to the Reich had he remained king. Just look at the Wiki page on him, it's a kind of open-secret at this point, with the pre-war film of the Queen Mum and the current royals all giving each other nazi salutes etc Renfield fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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Fascism was pretty fashionable at that time. As an aside, we should probably find out who finally threw out their uniform, triggering it coming back into vogue.
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Renfield posted:He was. And not that quiet - he toured Germany in 1937, and Albert Spear thought he would have been an ally to the Reich had he remained king. Sure, but noted Nazi sympathizer Edward VIII was neither king during World War II nor father of Elizabeth II. He was her uncle and he abdicated in 1936. Also Philip himself spent six years fighting Nazis in the Royal Navy so maybe he shouldn't be responsible for the sins of his lovely family? He's a 95 year old man and makes some bad jokes as you would expect of someone his age, but there are plenty of reasons to get rid of the monarchy unrelated to rumours about Nazism.
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Renfield posted:Albert Spear Taking back control of the Germanic languages, I see.
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ocrumsprug posted:Fascism was pretty fashionable at that time. This is the thing that a lot of people don't understand about that period of history. Fascism was popular until Hitler went completely nuts with it. Britain, for example, was pretty happy to support Franco's regime in Spain, and important officials therein, provided it didn't get involved in WW2. And arguably NATO was pretty cool with it too, after WW2, given the fact that they cooperated militarily with that particular fascist regime.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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PT6A posted:This is the thing that a lot of people don't understand about that period of history. Fascism was popular until Hitler went completely nuts with it. Britain, for example, was pretty happy to support Franco's regime in Spain, and important officials therein, provided it didn't get involved in WW2. And arguably NATO was pretty cool with it too, after WW2, given the fact that they cooperated militarily with that particular fascist regime. Or maybe people do understand this and still think fascist sympathisers are pieces of poo poo?
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Strawman posted:Or maybe people do understand this and still think fascist sympathisers are pieces of poo poo? Oh, I agree they're pieces of poo poo, I don't mean to justify it by pointing out that it was popular. It was incredibly lovely of them to do what they did, up to and including many countries actually persecuting people who went to fight for the Spanish Republicans. I was just pointing out that it was by no means a fringe ideology; if anything, that makes it worse. It also completely contradicts the narrative of the Anglosphere bravely confronting and beating the evil fascists in the name of freedom, which is the most important takeaway, in my opinion.
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PT6A posted:This is the thing that a lot of people don't understand about that period of history. Fascism was popular until Hitler went completely nuts with it. Britain, for example, was pretty happy to support Franco's regime in Spain, and important officials therein, provided it didn't get involved in WW2. And arguably NATO was pretty cool with it too, after WW2, given the fact that they cooperated militarily with that particular fascist regime. Facism has been popular for longer than that, heck even Hitler was popular until he went nuts, most western leaders thought he was a usefull rampart against bolchevists! And the asme excuse has been used for the decades after WW2 to keep supporting fascism/dictatures because "communism!" The thing is leftist always scare people a lot, especially those who have the money because they'd end up with less and not more. Heck even most "leftist" parties nowadays don't have much of "leftism" left in them. Sure technically they are more left than what the right has become but the whole world turn "right" compared to pre-ww2. Well that's capitalism for you.
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Swiss parliament choosing to attempt to preserve their relationship with EU over fully implementing the result of a stupid referendum. Good luck to them. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-a7476801.html
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/15/lonely-theresa-may-video-at-eu-summit-is-brexit-in-a-nutshell Brexit in a nutshell, again.
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That's pretty clever of the Swiss. Created a bunch of rules that have no real impact outside of edge cases. I still don't get why May is still trying to go ahead with Brexit, is it some point of pride?. You are going to get riots either way when the economy goes belly up when you exit. Anyone care to explain? Because idgi and it's dumb.
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oohhboy posted:That's pretty clever of the Swiss. Created a bunch of rules that have no real impact outside of edge cases. Because she and her party are in power largely due to Cameron promising this, and a betrayal of Brexit voters hurts her government more than the opposition.
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I don't see how that is worth it if the economy collapses and riots happen. If there was ever a time to fall on your sword for the good for everyone this would be it. *Looks at Cameron as he quits the next day*.
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oohhboy posted:That's pretty clever of the Swiss. Created a bunch of rules that have no real impact outside of edge cases. If she backs out she loses the next election to UKIP and doesn't get to be Prime Minister anymore.
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vyelkin posted:If she backs out she loses the next election to UKIP ... and then we are all truly, truly hosed.
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vyelkin posted:If she backs out she loses the next election to UKIP and doesn't get to be Prime Minister anymore. Holy poo poo, having to choose between Theresa May and UKIP? I don't envy the British, not one bit.
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UKIP wouldn't get to be the government but they would sweep the right wing nutter vote so thoroughly if Brexit was abandoned that the Conservatives wouldn't either, and that is not acceptable from the perspective of Conservatives who are actually currently in government. The winnable fight is pushing responsibility for the consequences of Brexit onto the Brexiteers. They own what happens. That needs to be the consistent message. Otherwise we'll get a good old fashioned "we was stabbed in the back by traitors" narrative.
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Beefeater1980 posted:UKIP wouldn't get to be the government but they would sweep the right wing nutter vote so thoroughly if Brexit was abandoned that the Conservatives wouldn't either, and that is not acceptable from the perspective of Conservatives who are actually currently in government. C'mon, anything other than outright perfection and the glorious 1,000 Years of British Empire of free trade and no immigration will result in a stabbed in the back discourse. The most diehard of the Brexiteers will never take responsibility for anything - Brexit can't fail, it can only be failed.
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oohhboy posted:I don't see how that is worth it if the economy collapses and riots happen. If there was ever a time to fall on your sword for the good for everyone this would be it. *Looks at Cameron as he quits the next day*. If they were capable of thinking further ahead than the use of short term political office for personal material gain they wouldn't be in the conservative party. Tories, and some of Labour view politics as a stepping stone into post-office wealth, nothing more. The country can burn as long as they personally are alright.
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OwlFancier posted:The country can burn as long as they personally are alright. Yeah there's a lot of that going on at the moment.
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