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jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Juliet Whisky posted:

(Pride began as a protest against police brutality), three persons from the Free Pride movement were arrested for peacefully being in the road as the Parade moved off. In return, the police showed that they too would like to go back to the good old days, tackling the protestors to the ground and locking them up for breach of the peace.

Juliet Whisky posted:

. I am going to be all controversial and suggest that the difference is that the anti-nuclear campaign is supported by all of civic society as well as the wider population in Scotland (and generally presents as middle-class), and that different rules apply for more marginalised groups with explicitly radical politics.

# ¿ Aug 22, 2017 21:37

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 01:29

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

BisonDollah posted:

I'm going to ask the polis to arrest the next Celtic fan who calls himself a fenian, then cheer on the po-po as they wade in and do my bidding in the name of anti-sectarianism. Looking forward to jre's support on this matter.

So to be clear, you also support accusing the police who were protecting the pride march of queer bashing ?
Because that's exactly what he did before he had go because it's after his bed time.

# ¿ Aug 22, 2017 23:01

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Juliet Whisky posted:

Assuming you're posting from Scotland, you've just committed a similar offence

I'd be interested to hear how you commit a breach of the peace by posting on a forum. To head off your inevitable stupid follow up, it really obviously doesn't breach the offensive communication act either.

quote:

to the one alleged against the young person you seemingly hate so much.

I don't have any animosity towards him, and he'll have learned a good lesson that
1. It's not a great idea to have a banner calling other people "these faggots"
2. If you are going to do that, the intent should be unambiguous enough for anyone to grasp

My problem is with idiots like yourself trivialising what people went through to get equality by comparing what the police did at the weekend to "the bad old days"

Pissflaps posted:

Nationalists are furious about it.

Quote this every day.

# ¿ Aug 23, 2017 18:58

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Leggsy posted:

Dugdale no more

https://twitter.com/jamesmatthewsky/status/902643940863696896

EDIT: Beeb has it now

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/902646519156940800

How long was she leader for ? 2 years ?

# ¿ Aug 29, 2017 22:54

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Pissflaps posted:

Nice change of pace from Rab this week

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/902947123653697536

Lol that spoof account is still hitting it out the park.

( looks closer at username)

oh.

# ¿ Aug 30, 2017 22:08

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Good news

quote:

Nicola Sturgeon will scrap the 1% cap on public sector pay rises when she sets out her legislative plans for the coming year, it is understood.
The first minister will announce the measure when she reveals her 2017-18 programme for government on Tuesday.
The SNP had committed to lifting the pay cap for public sector workers earlier this year, describing it as "increasingly unsustainable".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41141373

Curious how it will be funded

# ¿ Sep 3, 2017 21:29

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Pissflaps posted:

One guy has bagpipes that blow fire.

You should have opened with that. Where is it George square ?

# ¿ Sep 16, 2017 11:50

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Niric posted:

some people really are that cringey

People unironically buy the national

# ¿ Sep 16, 2017 12:31

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Alertrelic posted:

This doesn't make them "Tories who hate the English" though. It makes them centrists who've spent too long around business lobbyists and civil servants. They are in the same category as the previous Labour/Lib Dem administrations. Ignoring this and pretending they occupy some especially right-wing category is what Labour moderates have been trying to do for the past decade, since it gives them cover to posture as authentically left-wing in precisely the same way that the SNP did in opposition.

The entire policy consensus in Holyrood, shaped by 'Civic Scotland', is broken. Fairytales about the evils of nationalism in government only serve the Labour right and Lib Dem irrelevants. The left needs to break this consensus, which means moving past referendum-era nostrums and constitutional bickering.

I remember people attacking CommonSpace as an SNP mouth piece.

There is plenty of shite in the National, and some SNP supporters believe a lot of shite, but ascribing a majority view on the basis of the slant taken by a single article is silly. Give them a conference vote on land reform or fracking and the members will become (embarrassingly, for the leadership) radical.

The SNP position on tax is not exactly left of centre. They froze council tax when it needed to be raised to cope with increased demand on services and only relented when local councils were at the point of collapse. They are also have a history of using the "the rich will avoid it so why even bother" argument to try and get out of income tax rises as well.

Saying that the SNP are radical lefty at their conference ,which has zero effect on people's day to day lives , makes up for them being to the right of centre in government is not a great argument

# ¿ Sep 20, 2017 19:12

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Alertrelic posted:

I didn't say the radicalism of conference members "makes up for them being to right of centre" in Government. I used it as an example of the differing views of SNP membership in the context of using a National article as some kind of authority on the issue.

I didn't say the SNP position was "left of centre". I said it was "centrist" and informed by business lobbyists. Note that they did not pass on the Conservative tax cut for high earners, for example, this is about triangulation. I fully understand their betrayals on local and income tax, it informed my vote in the last two elections. I used to work for the SNP. I've talked to people in the party about why these concessions were made. It's not because they are secret Tories, it's because they've capitulated to a managerial and incremental politics.

The left needs to find some unity on these issues, which is my concern and my main contention with the ongoing constitutional rhetoric around things like tax policy. The point isn't that the SNP are OK really, and we should stop complaining. The point is that if we want to move past the politics of managed decline that the SNP represent, then we need to stop pretending that Anas Sarwar or Willie Rennie are going to get us there.

How about voting for the Labour party who are proposing renationalising the railways amongst loads of other lefty things? Last time I checked Corbyn was the leader of the labour party not Anas Sarwar.

Not voting for a party with actually leftist policies because they're not your team is a bit daft if you actually care about this stuff.

Extreme0 posted:

You're too big for one.

Sizeist.

# ¿ Sep 20, 2017 21:54

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

UK Labour Party has horrible Blarist dicks running it

"Scottish Labour is just a branch office"

UK Labour has a jam making marxist running it

"Anas Sarwar isn't the answer"*

* Actually he's a good answer to the question "why are political dynasties bad for democracy?"

# ¿ Sep 21, 2017 22:38

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Breaking troubling news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-41748874

quote:

A popular fizzy drink that has been produced in north east Scotland for decades has been discontinued, the manufacturers have announced.
Cott Beverages said it was no longer able to "viably produce" the Sangs Moray Cup range.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2017 19:53

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Pissflaps posted:

Back in Scotland for the weekend for the first time in a long time on a nationalism fact finding trip.

Only the keenest ear could detect that I�m part Scottish: most would assume I�m fully English. Will be interesting to see if I�m the victim of any sort of bigotry. I will endeavour to report any such incidents in this thread.

Picked the coldest weekend of the year :rip:

# ¿ Dec 11, 2017 01:21

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

EmptyVessel posted:

Sounds like you and your heckler are equally ignorant if you both think a 19th century

It was written in the 1970s.

Coohoolin posted:

Saturday night I was playing a gig and a guy came up after my first tune (Black Velvet Band) and asked if I'd play the Fields of Athenry or the Sash. I was confused, and when I told him maybe the Fields but I didn't know the Sash, he started yelling "oh so you know the Catholic tunes but not the Protestant ones? You're a racist bigot! THIS MAN'S A RACIST BIGOT, HE WON'T SING PROTESTANT TUNES!"

I like to think that was Pissflaps putting on a bam accent and trying to own me.

This is the most obvious trap in the world after "which team do you support?", and I can't believe you fell for it.

Friend who is a DJ and doesn't follow football didn't realise 'just can't get enough' had become associated with Celtic and played it in a busy club on the night they won the league. Exciting scenes.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2017 20:55

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

I obviously don't think the fields or the black velvet band are "Catholic songs" , I was winding the guy up because he was being a bam and looking for an excuse to accuse me of anti protestant bigotry for not playing the sash. That being said I'm wary of playing fields because there's always some drunk celtic fan who gets way too excited by it.

Why would you play a song where the traditional add-ins in both Ireland and Scotland is to shout "Sinn Fein", "IRA" and "gently caress the crown" in a neutral pub

# ¿ Dec 11, 2017 20:58

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

An outbreak of socialism

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-42339146

quote:

Scotland's finance secretary is expected to confirm income tax rises for middle and higher earners when he unveils his draft budget for next year.
Derek Mackay will say the increase in taxation is needed to raise more money to help protect public services.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2017 11:57

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

There's two new bands in scotland

Uk rates
0%
20%
40%
45%

Scottish rates
0%
19%
20%
21%
41%
46%

# ¿ Dec 18, 2017 17:39

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

"Say you are dual-earning family both on about £150,000 with a few kids. Nicola Sturgeon just stole your skiing holiday"

# ¿ Dec 19, 2017 00:36

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

forkboy84 posted:

So take your skiing holidays in Aviemore you middle class parasites.

I think �300,000 / year household earnings is doing a bit better than middle class

I checked, and based on 2015 figures for the UK

�112,000 puts you in the 98th percentile of wages
�162,000 puts you in the 99th percentile

jre fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Dec 19, 2017

# ¿ Dec 19, 2017 00:57

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Leggsy posted:

The Scottish Sargon, Stu Campbell has outdone himself with this blatant transphobic hit piece.

Guess his declining readership must be getting to him. Stick around for the horrid push-polling "evidence" if you can stomach his smug dross.

Starting reading the comments, don't read the comments :smith:

# ¿ Jan 4, 2018 10:06

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

forkboy84 posted:

Can't post the article as on a phone but you should read it.

quote:

Malcolm Scott, a former treasurer of the Conservative Party in Scotland, was given a BRO in 2015 after he was found to have lied to his Trustee.
The former multi-millionaire was found to have transferred shares, secretly sold a luxury car without declaring the proceeds, and failed to declare a speedboat and other assets in the Bahamas.
He is under the restrictions until 2021.
The BBC team had heard that Mr Scott was running a property company, with interests across the UK, in breach of his BRO.
Malcolm Scott
Image caption
Malcolm Scott is associated with a company called Sandnewco One Ltd
It sent in an undercover reporter to pose as a businessman interested in investing in his developments. One was run by a company called Sandnewco One Ltd, whose registered director was a man called Alexander Duncan.
Despite the restrictions, Malcolm Scott told our undercover investor that the company was run by himself and Mr Duncan, who was a "silent partner".
When asked by the undercover investor about the corporate structure of the company, he claimed to be at the top, agreeing that he was the "head shed".
We also found that Mr Scott had formed a property company called Northside Residential Ltd, another breach of his BRO.

Insolvency expert Maureen Leslie said forming a limited company is a breach of a Bankruptcy Restriction Order
The BBC showed its footage to insolvency expert Maureen Leslie.
She said: "He's holding himself out as the decision maker in the company� He's not a named director, but he's acting as if he were a director, or he is allowing someone to form the perception that he is a director."
Shown the incorporation documents for Northside Residential Ltd, she said: "He's [Malcolm Scott] just formed a limited company. The Bankruptcy Restriction Order does not allow you to form a limited company. That is a breach of the terms of the Bankruptcy Restriction Order."
Richard Dennis, chief executive of Scotland's Accountant in Bankruptcy, the agency which gives out BROs, admitted no-one "proactively" monitored those given the orders.
He said: "As with all BROs, there is no active monitoring of the BRO system."
He refused to discuss individual cases, but added it was "serious" if people were breaching their BROs.
He said: "I'll take away the evidence that you're prepared to provide us and we'll have a look at the case, and I can't say anything further than that."
Through his solicitor, Malcolm Scott denied acting as a director of any company.
Alexander Duncan, the director of Sandnewco One Ltd, told the BBC that Mr Scott was an "employee" of the property company, with "no executive decision-making authority".

# ¿ Jan 9, 2018 01:22

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Pissflaps posted:

Will Sturgeon do a Puigedemont?

This is subject to Betteridge's law of headlines

# ¿ Jan 9, 2018 01:24

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

I�d love to see the breakdown of income vs approve / disapprove to see how many lower income people think it�s unfair due to misunderstanding progressive taxation

# ¿ Jan 18, 2018 16:31

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Pissflaps posted:

The National has led today on an idea for a �Celtic Bridge� linking Ireland to Scotland.

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/955193958367416323

Do we think this is a good idea? What are the chances of it being built? Personally I�d love to get the train to Dublin.

Jesus trying to imagine driving on a bridge across the irish sea in the winter

# ¿ Jan 22, 2018 21:53

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Oh hey loads of posts in scotpol wonder what hap-

Coohoolin posted:

You're not wrong but I don't think I'd be too far off the mark in wondering if your distaste for her possibly runs along sectarian lines- you're a Rangers supporter, no?

# ¿ May 16, 2018 00:25

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Pissflaps posted:

That�s one way of describing a party systematically choosing every possible option in a short period of time in the hope that one sticks.

And yet somehow still more competent and coherent than the brexit approach :smithicide:

cargohills posted:

Excited to escape sinking by diving headfirst into the water.

# ¿ May 22, 2018 21:39

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

http://thenational.scot/thejouker/16384121.wings-over-scotland-youtube-channel-shut-down-by-bbc-over-copyright-claim/

Hmmm.

Coohoolin posted:

I don't think it's a good look for the BBC to be shutting down popular independent media sites that are critical of its broadcasting tbh.

Good. Why would you not be happy that that bigoted scumbag came a cropper ?

Angepain posted:

I think we can all agree Stuart Campbell is a terrible person.

everyone apart from coohoolin apparently

# ¿ Jul 29, 2018 12:14

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

It's perfectly fine to use news clips for the purpose of criticism. The BBC is only going after pro-indy websites, other examples of the same are still up.

Is it perfectly fine to be a transphobic piece of poo poo as long as you support scottish nationalism ?

# ¿ Jul 30, 2018 23:57

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Coohoolin posted:

No, it's not,

Then why aren't you celebrating Stuart Campbell getting his comeuppance ?

Coohoolin posted:

Wings is not the only media apparatus affected by this

By media apparatus you mean lovely propaganda site run for the sole purpose of enriching a bigot ?

# ¿ Jul 31, 2018 07:59

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

A genuine picture of the organiser of the recent independence march, and not something from the onion :pwn:

# ¿ Oct 9, 2018 08:18

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

Your links are broken, what�s it supposed to be ?

# ¿ Jan 24, 2019 12:39

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 01:29

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51397956

quote:

Scotland's finance secretary has quit hours before delivering his budget amid reports that he messaged a 16-year-old boy on social media.
The Scottish Sun said that Derek Mackay contacted the schoolboy over a six-month period, and told him that he was "cute".

yikes

# ¿ Feb 6, 2020 18:48

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