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Which Thread Title shall we name this new thread?
This poll is closed.
Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce 44 21.36%
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress 19 9.22%
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin 9 4.37%
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit 8 3.88%
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died 24 11.65%
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread 17 8.25%
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter 15 7.28%
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming 2 0.97%
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy 10 4.85%
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union 5 2.43%
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die 25 12.14%
Total: 206 votes
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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

My suggestion is currently leading the polling for thread title. Is that enough to get me Scottish citizenship should you go independent?

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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

If you think the central belt got destroyed by Thatcher, well, formerly industrial Wales got it at least as bad and has had a fraction of the recovery. The Valleys have really been forgotten, in that sense I can understand why they probably viewed voting to leave the EU as bloodying the nose of the establishment. If only because the case for the EU was made so abysmally.

Stuff like this just makes me sad about Wales and the state of it. We should be really loving angry at the British government but instead we just meekly follow English nationalists like lambs to the slaughter.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Speaking as a Welsh person, it's always funny seeing Scots complaining that they don't have enough power. Though perhaps we shouldn't have any more power based on the EU referendum results.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

Has anybody in this thread ordered this watch?



yeah

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

If there's one thing Kippers hate more than immigrants, it's each other

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Owen Smith being opposed to the Barnett Formula is hardly surprising considering he's Welsh and we get hosed by it. Though considering how little Welsh politicians ever seem to speak up for Welsh interests and how little Welsh people are interested in politics to realise how much they're getting hosed and actively chose to gently caress themselves even harder in the EU referendum, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a different motivation to his opposition to it.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


Is it even illegal to gently caress your step-sister? Though I have to admit that New Jersey and Rhode Island wouldn't have been my first guess for American states where incest is legal.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

hookerbot 5000 posted:

No it isn't (I just googled it). Step parents and children can't but siblings are okay.

So the answer to his question about Abraham coming to Scotland is "no".

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Irn Bru sales have increased 60% in Parliament since the 2015 election

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


It hasn't even been a Pokémon generation.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

It definitely was - and it allows the nationalist campaign to present itself as naturally more 'positive'. The question had an inherent bias in their favour: leave/remain will do away with that, though many flags will become obsolete unfortunately.

UKIP actually managed to get the EU referendum question changed for exactly this reason, I'm surprised the government let the Scottish referendum question stand. Though the Cameron administration can probably be defined by its arrogance so I guess I shouldn't be.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Autonomous Monster posted:

Oh, right. I should have posted this weeks ago:



Of these, Berwickshire and Dumfriesshire are almost certain to go Tory. Everywhere else, I don't think [e: the Tories] have got a prayer. They're in third place in all of them, and by some margin everywhere except Dundee East and Ochil.

without knowing anything about Livingston, I'm really, really hoping Rhea Wolfson gets in. She made the news last year when Jim Murphy tried to block her from getting on the NEC because of her links to Momentum and his concerns about their anti-Semtism despite the fact she was the only Jewish person running for the NEC. It would be a really nice turn of events for her to end up an MP and him to end up a loving nobody.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

She's still young so there's plenty of time for her to go onto be successful while Jim Murphy fades into obscurity doing whatever he does now.

E: he's an advisor to Tony Blair lol

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Would independence supporters here still vote yes if it was a referendum granted by Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn?

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

marktheando posted:

I don't have any illusions about independent Scotland being a socialist paradise, it's just politics in England are so hosed and awful. Even Jeremy Corbyn treats immigration like a dirty word.

tomorrow, a far higher percentage of English people will vote for socialism than Scottish people.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Coohoolin posted:

You can leave the patronising bullshit out of it. Pretending the Scottish situation isn't remarkably different is disingenuous as gently caress. And don't you dare lecture us on socialism when the Scottish political narrative has been anti-austerity and pro-immigration for much, much, longer than anything in England.

the SNP are not anti-austerity lmao.

And I'm not English, the two biggest parties here in Wales would love the tax raising powers the SNP refuse to use

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Britain Elects's NowCast now has East Renfrewshire and Edinburgh North and Leith as likely to go to Labour. Good eggs or bad eggs running in those seats?

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Coohoolin posted:

So it looks like labour isn't winning anything but the tories are, so we have a useless Scottish labour and a political scene polarised between pro indy left and unionist right.

At least it's an easy to navigate environment.

It looks like Labour are winning seats, pal. I hope you're ready to back Labour in the way you demanded Labour back the SNP in future elections.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

can't wait for you guys to go independent and elect tories so england and wales can elect the progressive socialist government they would if it wasn't for angry thumb people in scotland

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Why does who leads Scottish Labour matter when you're deciding who to vote for in Westminster elections anyway? I don't think I've ever pondered my feelings towards Carwyn Jones when making my vote for my MP even if the ballot paper does say Llafur. You can still vote SNP candidates for your MSP. I tend to vote Plaid in Assembly elections.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Skinty McEdger posted:

Interesting that it's Findlay who is the first to come out with this. It's obvious that he's making his move for the leadership, but he has form for the anti independence rhetoric.

Notable every article about Findlay this weekend includes the prefix "Corbyn ally."

it's really funny how people are trying to associate themselves with Corbyn after the past two years. You even had Sturgeon doing it with the "SNP MPs will side with Corbyn more than ScotLab MPs" thing. I wonder if it'll be Kez who's sidelined in the next election while local candidates push the hell out of Corbyn.

Coohoolin posted:

Go gently caress yourself with a rusty rake.

that's no way to talk to a Pissflaps Award winner.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Owen Jones is getting called a Red Tory by Scots nats on Twitter for going to campaign for Gordon Munro in Edinburgh. I'm pretty sure this thread told me Munro is a good egg though? Am I misremembering or is this a case of partisan idiots on Twitter?

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

RIP Scottish Independence. If only she'd done this before the election. We could be seeing Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn in a progressive partnership with the SNP instead of the lunacy of the current government.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Coohoolin posted:

Wait til Brexit gets going properly and not even the Absolute Boy can save it.

A United Kingdom under Corbyn divorced from the European Union is more feasible and sustainable than an independent Scotland, friend.

Pissflaps posted:

It's progressive as hell that Scottish independence supporters want the UK to become so intolerable for poor people that they see nationalism as the only solution.

b-b-but the Aberdeen council :qq:

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Angepain posted:

It is not enough that the snp are boring centrists that have overplayed their hand, they must literally thirst for the blood of children. They must lie awake at night deciding the best way for poor people to suffer. Only then can I get into the proper vinegar strokes here on the something awful forums.

it's not that they want poor people to suffer, it's that they obviously decided that it was acceptable losses in pursuit of their goal of independence when they tried to play up English thumbpeople fears of a Labour government in the pocket of the SNP in 2015 (successfully) and 2017 (unsuccessfully) to get the Tory government that would make that goal more attractive.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

marktheando posted:

I know this thread is pretty down on the SNP these days, but blaming them for English idiots being afraid of a coalition is really stupid.

The SNP letting the Scottish public know that they will support a Labour govt and oppose a Tory one is a statement aimed at Scottish voters who might be afraid to vote SNP out of fear of the tories getting in.

It's not some 11 dimensional chess to help the tories.

you're very naive if you think the SNP higher ups didn't like having a Tory government they could use as a bogeyman to boost support for independence.

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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Pissflaps is either referring to the backlash to comments by the boss of Highland Spring telling Sturgeon to stop pushing for independence or the shocking revelation that Highland Spring mineral water is Halal certified.

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