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Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce 44 21.36%
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress 19 9.22%
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin 9 4.37%
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit 8 3.88%
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died 24 11.65%
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread 17 8.25%
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter 15 7.28%
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming 2 0.97%
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy 10 4.85%
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union 5 2.43%
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die 25 12.14%
Total: 206 votes
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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Extreme0 posted:

Is Gibraltar a nice place to go for a hoilday?

I've been there once and it was quite nice. Yes it has monkeys which are always cool. It was a bit like a sunny UK tbh only the people were much nicer. I had an idea they'd all be lovely snobby expats but it didn't seem that way at all. Basically it's the med only you can shop at Morrisons and it has monkeys.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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PiCroft posted:

I strongly suspect that a second indyref would fail to pass. Emotions are high right now, everything is in flux and the dust is still settling - when/if a second ref comes about, we'd necessarily have to revisit all the old arguments that sprang up in the first one (albeit with the EU situation significantly changed). Economics, currency (really, would Scotland want to change to the Euro? I'm not entirely sure), the deficit and building a border between us and England.

That last one is, funnily enough, the one I'm most concerned about - I'd find that state of affairs heartbreaking, regardless of the current state of politics.

England is only going to get worse so i'm not sure why you care about building a border. England is done. Even if the economy somehow manages to stabalise its never going to reach great heights. And you've seen the voice of the average English via twitter now. They're insane and don't actually comprehend what they've done. This is not a country that going on to great things. I suspect anyone with intelligence and the means will leave the country as soon as possible. I guess that's one part of the plan successful. No one wants to come to England anymore.

Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jun 28, 2016

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer
What's your agenda here Pissflaps? You agree that Brexit is a bad idea. Why are you now opposed to Scotland getting to remain in the EU? Do you truly believe they'd be better in this sinking ship? You seem keen that Scotland doesn't get away. This is much different that before when the UK was a strong working entity and it made little sense to break it up. Now it's broken anyway. We're going to lose our banks, our few industries and our service sector. We're done. What has Scotland got to lose by jumping ship?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
Looking forward to leave voters chanting "this is fine, this is fine" as the top of the UK falls off.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Pissflaps posted:

If the UK is hosed then so is Scotland - with or without Independence, in or out of the EU.

It's the same as the facile argument that the UK should leave the EU because the latter is about to go down the shitter. As the UK relies on a healthy EU for prosperity, so Scotland relies on the UK.

There is a difference between being hosed under the Tories and hosed under the SNP within the EU. The Tories will make sure the poorest bare the brunt of Brexit's downsides. They will still have human rights while someone like Leadsom is busy removing ours in order to wage her war on political correctness. What you're actually saying is there is no downside to splitting. If the UK somehow pulls back then they will still be a valuable trading partner with the EU, including Scotland. If they stay hosed then at least Scotland can look after its own and protect things like health services while the UK ravages itself.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

big scary monsters posted:

Denmark seemed pretty miserable while I was there - grey, rained a lot, people all looked glum. Basically it and Scotland would be a perfect fit.

I was in Copenhagen recently and I rate it "not as nice as Oslo".

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer
I find it most odd that the taste for independence has gone now that there is a very real reason for it. It was a good idea to split from a financial heart of the EU but it's a bad idea now we're a sinking ship of no use to anyone?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

I loving hate fishermen. I never knew this until brexit. Just murder all the birds while you also overfish yourself into joblessness you horrible pricks.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
I'm not sure i'd count it as a good thing that the Express is silencing people for disagreeing with their blatant race hatred. Rev. Stu or not.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer
I think you'd have to wait till Article 50 is activated and everything does or doesn't go to poo poo. That's when you will or will not get any possible swings.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
It's bollocks that the bad things predicted have to occur before real change in opinions?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Pissflaps posted:

It's bollocks that polling only matters at an arbitrary point in time.

That's a ridiculous stance. Polling results are a snapshot of the public opinion. If something major has happened of course it will effect the poll results. What "matter of time" it is is extremely important.

You are claiming that it's not important to compare a poll before a possible economic collapse with one after.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Pissflaps posted:

And now I thank you for proving mine.

I don't know why you can't just compromise and admit that while Corbyn hasn't been the best leader the media IS out to get him. The inverse of how May is also pretty poo poo but they're NOT out to get her so she does better in public perception.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Extreme0 posted:

The SNP are possibly better having just born-Scots vote if they want a better chance of winning the referendum.

That's quite the bombshell.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer
I think most of Pissflaps posts are in the sport sections.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Grimey Drawer

Coohoolin posted:

The ugly side of Scottish nationalism: internet abuse directed at a Jim Murphy aide and the long-defunct Siol Nan Gaidheal.
The ugly side of British nationalism: internet abuse directed at everyone, elected politicians and media outlets openly calling for violence, institutional British fascists, and the only instance of targeted physical violence in George Square the day after the referendum.

*sagely nods head* yep these things are equally as bad as each other.

I'm pretty sure the "ugly side of Scottish nationalism" is going to be the same as any ugly nationalism. I.E unrepentant tribalism. I'm not saying the SNP is bad or has more "ugly" nationalism than any other movement but I also disagree that it's any friendlier than any other nationalism. There absolutely will be members of the YES movement that don't think of the English as people. These people shouldn't representative of the movement but nor should they be ignored or treated like they're not a problem.

"Oh all movements have bad apples but our bad apples are less badderer applelerers than theirs" is not a particularly nuanced position.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Pissflaps posted:

That's quite a poll I imagine some people are furious with it.

What is with your lack of understanding? You of all people know Corbyn is going to get trashed. We're stuck with the Tories for 5-10 years at least. Scotland has a chance of escaping a decade of more misery. And yet you belittle them for even wanting the chance.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Pissflaps posted:

Until the perpetrator is caught we don't know what their political stance is.



Interesting polling coming out of Scotland:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/857902546916179968

This is a loving tragedy. This is on par with disillusioned socialists voting for Le Pen in the french elections. People are so weird.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

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Baron Corbyn posted:

RIP Scottish Independence. If only she'd done this before the election. We could be seeing Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn in a progressive partnership with the SNP instead of the lunacy of the current government.

She's done part of her job then. gently caress up Labour. The only thing better for the SNP than achieving independence is to keep Britain under Tory rule. Fits the narrative much better than splitting from a progressive left wing government.

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